Socialism does work

[Karl]

Article podcast : Tom woods show about the communist activist Eugene Genovese who wrote an essay after the crash of the socialist countries entitle 'the question':

 

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-tom-woods-show/id716825890?mt=2&i=347744347

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Marblehead]

I'm not sure it was a matter of subjectivity to the millions murdered in the purges.

Point I was making.  The policies worked well for the murders.  Didn't work so well for those who were murdered.

[Marblehead]

I used to be indecisive but now...I just don't know ;-)

Is that something like being an Apathetic Agnostic?  You don't know and you don't care?

[Karl]

Point I was making.  The policies worked well for the murders.  Didn't work so well for those who were murdered.

 

Did they ? How ?

[Apech]

Thankfully in the UK socialist lords are maintaining standards and dignity:

 

[Marblehead]

Did they ? How ?

The murderers satisfied their ego and desires.  The murdered died an early death, and this is not the Way of Tao.

[Karl]

The murderers satisfied their ego and desires. The murdered died an early death, and this is not the Way of Tao.

Agreed.

Edited July 28, 2015 by Karl

[Brian]

Thankfully in the UK socialist lords are maintaining standards and dignity:

 

We oust those who buck the establishment but protect those who embrace it. Case in point?

 

 

Marion Barry (who so admired former head of the Propaganda and Agitation Department of the Communist Party Central Committee Dmitri Shepilov that he took on "Shepilov" as his middle name) was Mayor of Washington, D.C., when he was sent to prison for... well, basically for being a cokehead scumbag. Within months of being released from federal prison, he was elected to D.C.'s City Council (his campaign slogan was "He May Not Be Perfect, But He's Perfect for D.C."). Two years later, he ran for Mayor of D.C. again and won. After the city's credit rating was downgraded to junk status, the Congress stepped in and took over operations of the city.

 

He didn't run for mayor a fifth time, instead running for and winning a seat back on the City Council. While in that office, he was charged with multiple counts of tax evasion, admitting that he had not filed a return in eight of the nine prior years because he was distracted. The Feds (surprise, surprise!) decided not to prosecute.

 

What followed was a tale of criminality and "getting away with it" that even Hollywood screenwriters wouldn't try to pawn off on the public as anything but a slapstick comedy. He was in elected office to the day he died.

 

An interesting story, actually, and one worth investigating. Don't know that he was ever photographed in lingerie, though.

[Marblehead]

Case in point.  We get what we pay for (or vote for).

[Brian]

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite?

[Apech]

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite?

 

I think politics distorts everybody (right and left) - and often their personal lives are the very opposite of their public ones - I know he's not a politician but Bill Cosby and his avuncular family values images vs. drug rapist.  Its almost some kind of universal law.

 

By the way that english peer has resigned and is being questioned by the police.  He's not the first and will not be the last.

[zerostao]

america always has had a great model socialism in place if you are rich

for everyone else--you best be a rugged individualist

[Marblehead]

... you best be a rugged individualist

That is one of the things that makes America great.  We are composed of a bunch of rugged individualists.  But we band together when threatened from the outside.

[zerostao]

fifty years ago today LBJ signed into law medicare and medicaid, maybe that is about as close as usa has come to socialism?

[Karl]

fifty years ago today LBJ signed into law medicare and medicaid, maybe that is about as close as usa has come to socialism?

 

You're kidding right ?

 

The U.S. gave up on full spread free market, competitive capitalism around 1900. It's why the USA is dying economically, socially and productively. Anytime you see a country or people sinking into moral and financial turpitude, then the suspect is always the same. Free and competitive individualism has been given over to restricted, corruptive collectivism.

 

Your government feed you with the somatic illusion of prosperity whilst frightening you with a series of hobgoblins for the purposes of you becoming utterly reliant on them for what they tell you is prosperity and security. Then they feed a load of gobbledygook about rugged individualism, can do attitude, folks, the American people, the exceptional nation and ego swallows it hook, line and sinker.

 

That is not to say that Americans aren't natural individualists, or that they are not self reliant, but it's all packaged in a nice heart shaped box wrapped in barbed wire. You are a commodity for the owners. If you believe you are free, are not reliant and all the rest, then so much the better.

 

You couldn't get much better than to watch the YouTube of George Carlin talking about education. It's very pithy. He tells it like it is. People laugh because he is a comedian, but underneath the form of a joke maker is a very serious thinker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Apech]

I assume you mean this one :

 

 

 

"The American dream, you have to be asleep to believe it"  ha!

[zerostao]

"You're kidding right ?"  i reckon it has been awhile since i posted my disclaimer, that unless i say "i am serious" in a very serious tone, then i am kidding around here.

 

"around 1900. It's why the USA is dying "  very slow death, maybe the morphine drip is placebo? if usa is dying financially? where does that place everyone else?  6 feet under already? i remember radio free europe

 

i have posted several carlin and pink floyd videos on the forum. but rosie the riveter could probably kick george in the butt and make him like it. 

 

"Your government feed you with the somatic illusion of prosperity"

they are good at it, in fact the illusion is so strong, i am able to book a flight to basically anywhere on the planet and go hang out whever i chose. my limits come from the other nations saying how long my visa stay is good for. being here in the backwoods of appalachia, no reason to leave, its bountiful here to the extreme. friendly folks having good times living the good life. apple pie, chevy, you name it, we got it. even ray bans from china! so yeah 1900, we learned our lessons with the coal and railroad barons long ago, no need to tell us how evil capitalism can be. counties here go by names like bloody harlan,,,so pretty much everything going on elsewhere now, we've already been thru. that dog dont hunt chear no more. we are 'other'  back on copperhead road we make our own shine, smoke, wine, grow our own food, houses been paid for 50-100 years earlier,, i am sure the evil empire is alive and well and up to its old tricks but here all that really is on our mind is where to find that 90 year old 'sang and in summer usually romance, or fishing on the river or boating out on the lake.

o brother where are you from? your english, is it your first language? seems a little broken sloppy, but high haint no professor, i gotcha, its all good in the woods.

 

[Karl]

"You're kidding right ?"  i reckon it has been awhile since i posted my disclaimer, that unless i say "i am serious" in a very serious tone, then i am kidding around here.

 

"around 1900. It's why the USA is dying "  very slow death, maybe the morphine drip is placebo? if usa is dying financially? where does that place everyone else?  6 feet under already? i remember radio free europe

 

i have posted several carlin and pink floyd videos on the forum. but rosie the riveter could probably kick george in the butt and make him like it. 

 

"Your government feed you with the somatic illusion of prosperity"

they are good at it, in fact the illusion is so strong, i am able to book a flight to basically anywhere on the planet and go hang out whever i chose. my limits come from the other nations saying how long my visa stay is good for. being here in the backwoods of appalachia, no reason to leave, its bountiful here to the extreme. friendly folks having good times living the good life. apple pie, chevy, you name it, we got it. even ray bans from china! so yeah 1900, we learned our lessons with the coal and railroad barons long ago, no need to tell us how evil capitalism can be. counties here go by names like bloody harlan,,,so pretty much everything going on elsewhere now, we've already been thru. that dog dont hunt chear no more. we are 'other'  back on copperhead road we make our own shine, smoke, wine, grow our own food, houses been paid for 50-100 years earlier,, i am sure the evil empire is alive and well and up to its old tricks but here all that really is on our mind is where to find that 90 year old 'sang and in summer usually romance, or fishing on the river or boating out on the lake.

o brother where are you from? your english, is it your first language? seems a little broken sloppy, but high haint no professor, i gotcha, its all good in the woods.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGuBNopzBw

 

Oh yes, where does that place everybody else if the USA is the most prosperous nation !

 

The evil will come to the shire. Even Hobbits aren't safe despite the distance.

 

I don't know Rosie the riveter ? Link

 

 

 

[zerostao]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter

 

Edited July 30, 2015 by zerostao

[Apech]

The man is a god ... it's a bit long but the first half hour is his address.  But the whole thing shows something I haven't seen for a long time - real people discussing real issues and being listened to ...

 

 

[Karl]

Lenin was always a good listener and Trotsky had a lot to say. Although he was young and untested, Trotsky had a reputation as a writer and organizer that preceded him into Europe. Lenin and his fellowIskraeditors followed events in Russia as best they could, reading newspapers and underground literature, eager to keep their fingers on the pulse of revolution and reaction. While Trotsky’s experiences in Nikolaev and Odessa amounted to a small-bore adventure, they demonstrated to Lenin how Marxist ideas were percolating throughout the empire, inspiring articulate and committed young people who might someday, whocouldsomeday,...

 

 

 

Then came the murders, imprisoning, gulags, starvation and eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

You must be quite young Apech or you wouldn't fall for this defunct and dangerous ideology.

Edited August 6, 2015 by Karl

[Apech]

Lenin was always a good listener and Trotsky had a lot to say. Although he was young and untested, Trotsky had a reputation as a writer and organizer that preceded him into Europe. Lenin and his fellowIskraeditors followed events in Russia as best they could, reading newspapers and underground literature, eager to keep their fingers on the pulse of revolution and reaction. While Trotsky’s experiences in Nikolaev and Odessa amounted to a small-bore adventure, they demonstrated to Lenin how Marxist ideas were percolating throughout the empire, inspiring articulate and committed young people who might someday, whocouldsomeday,...

 

 

 

Then came the murders, imprisoning, gulags, starvation and eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

You must be quite young Apech or you wouldn't fall for this defunct and dangerous ideology.

 

 

I am 18 years old of course.

[Karl]

I am 18 years old of course.

 

What do you find compelling about what he says ?

 

Did you live through the 70s era in Britain ? This is what Corbyn represents. Those that are currently flocking to support him are a very young crowd and a few older Marxist types, that's why I asked.

 

To call him 'a god' is a big stretch ?

 

Still, it will make a quicker end to the Labour Party and not drag it out.

[kudos100]

The man is a god ... it's a bit long but the first half hour is his address.  But the whole thing shows something I haven't seen for a long time - real people discussing real issues and being listened to ...

 

Thanks for posting, I'll check it out, I enjoyed the first video. 

[Apech]

What do you find compelling about what he says ? Did you live through the 70s era in Britain ? This is what Corbyn represents. Those that are currently flocking to support him are a very young crowd and a few older Marxist types, that's why I asked. To call him 'a god' is a big stretch ? Still, it will make a quicker end to the Labour Party and not drag it out.

 

I didn't mind the 70's it was the 80's I didn't like.