Socialism does work

[zerostao]

that damn teddy regressive roosevelt is who did the evil of setting lands aside for the the

the reasons are numerous and obvious

somehow despite all of his short comings it is teddy up there on mount rushmore looking down at us

[zerostao]

Why would I bomb Florida ? Also, as a side note, I would take every penny and service you are due from the state without the slightest equivocation.

texas is a place after your own heart karl

[Marblehead]

Capitalism cannot work on its own as some kind of disembodied thing, it isn't a regime, it's simply voluntary free trade amongst consenting individuals who agree to abide by certain rules and codes of behaviour. It doesn't work by itself in isolation.

This is true.

 

However, the way the system is abused and misused by the powerful and wealthy is deplorable.  And my government is gradually whittling away at the workers' right to organize and represent themselves.

 

Organize?  There is none except for what the powerful and wealthy design.  And that would be "their" greed and desires.

[ralis]

texas is a place after your own heart karl

 

He would love Texas. Now in Texas starting this fall, anyone attending a Texas public university can open carry a sidearm in a classroom. Abject stupidity!

[zerostao]

This is true.

 

However, the way the system is abused and misused by the powerful and wealthy is deplorable.  And my government is gradually whittling away at the workers' right to organize and represent themselves.

 

Organize?  There is none except for what the powerful and wealthy design.  And that would be "their" greed and desires.

this 

and of course if we let them continue on their course it will be only royalty and serfs again sooner than you think

[Karl]

This is true.

 

However, the way the system is abused and misused by the powerful and wealthy is deplorable.  And my government is gradually whittling away at the workers' right to organize and represent themselves.

 

Organize?  There is none except for what the powerful and wealthy design.  And that would be "their" greed and desires.

 

It only has power because you gave it away. That's socialism, you give up your rights to the Government for security and fairness. Then, when it becomes obvious that it isn't working out you scream for stronger Government. More of what ails you cannot make you better in my book.

 

The powerful and wealthy love big government, it makes them more powerful and wealthier. They love regulation and tax laws and monetary/fiscal policies. They love it when the man in the street says he wants better Government, more regulation, more welfare, more security. They literally cream their Jocky shorts at the bozos who continually make it possible for them to retain the status quo. They have all the guns, education system, media, law, intellectuals, economists, judges-they have everything and each time the people call for more, that boot on their necks presses just a little tighter.

 

The only way is to give up consent, stop asking for more, oppose everything that promises more and support everything that warns of less. Anytime they tell you it will be less comfortable, secure, financially destructive, you can know right away you are heading straight.

[zerostao]

He would love Texas. Now in Texas starting this fall, anyone attending a Texas public university can open carry a sidearm in a classroom. Abject stupidity!

maybe a wall does need to be bulit around texas, all of its borders not just the southern side.

and make texas pay for it!!

on my campus open carry and concealed carry is allowed

they do however have a 'strict' no smoking policy which is totally ignored,,,,,

i wonder if tomorrow the voters choose socialism, dang , wrong thread

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[Karl]

texas is a place after your own heart karl

 

I haven't got a heart, hadn't you heard ? ;-)

 

I didn't visit Texas when I was last in the USA. I'm told the steak is good.

[ralis]

I guess according to the dead document Scalia Constitutionalists, all the land grant colleges should be shut down since such institutions of higher learning were originally funded by the government. I wonder if Brian attended a public or land grant university?

 

My alma mater is 'The Ohio State University' a top tier research institution and member of AAU.

Edited March 14, 2016 by ralis

[Marblehead]

right now it is texas trying to impose its central authority on the rest of the nation

we'd all be better off if texas was its own country, then folks like minded could move there

They have been trying to do that every since I can remember.

 

They try every year to re-write the history and science books that are used in America's public education classrooms.

[Karl]

He would love Texas. Now in Texas starting this fall, anyone attending a Texas public university can open carry a sidearm in a classroom. Abject stupidity!

 

What's that got to do with socialism, or my dislike of it ?

 

I made no reference to carrying sidearms as being formulative in that discussion. I can't see the sense in a school full of children lugging around fire arms, but I do see the sense in teachers being trained and armed. Better still, let's stop torturing children and drugging them to compliance at Government institutions.

[ralis]

It only has power because you gave it away. That's socialism, you give up your rights to the Government for security and fairness. Then, when it becomes obvious that it isn't working out you scream for stronger Government. More of what ails you cannot make you better in my book. The powerful and wealthy love big government, it makes them more powerful and wealthier. They love regulation and tax laws and monetary/fiscal policies. They love it when the man in the street says he wants better Government, more regulation, more welfare, more security. They literally cream their Jocky shorts at the bozos who continually make it possible for them to retain the status quo. They have all the guns, education system, media, law, intellectuals, economists, judges-they have everything and each time the people call for more, that boot on their necks presses just a little tighter. The only way is to give up consent, stop asking for more, oppose everything that promises more and support everything that warns of less. Anytime they tell you it will be less comfortable, secure, financially destructive, you can know right away you are heading straight.

 

I guess everyone is nothing more than an individual on an island with no social connections with no responsibility to anyone in your world view.

[ralis]

What's that got to do with socialism, or my dislike of it ? I made no reference to carrying sidearms as being formulative in that discussion. I can't see the sense in a school full of children lugging around fire arms, but I do see the sense in teachers being trained and armed. Better still, let's stop torturing children and drugging them to compliance at Government institutions.

 

What country are you referring to? Texas public universities are allowing open carry of sidearms, not small children. Are children being drugged in the UK?

[ralis]

The anti socialists here would rather see people dying on the streets rather than having compassion for those in need. Ron Paul once said that if one has no insurance and is sick or in need of surgery, then one should beg a church to help. That was an absurd statement.

[Karl]

I guess everyone is nothing more than an individual on an island with no social connections with no responsibility to anyone in your world view.

 

You can have as much responsibility as you want and as many social connections as you need, that's what freedom of choice is all about.

[Karl]

What country are you referring to? Texas public universities are allowing open carry of sidearms, not small children. Are children being drugged in the UK?

 

In the UK and USA they are being drugged.

 

I thought it was a bit strange to give school children guns to carry whilst at school. I really don't have much to say in the subject of firearm carry. I suspect that it might deter terrorists and nutters from laying waste to people as if they were fish in a barrel.

[Marblehead]

Well,

 Man must 'choose' survival and life as a value. He is not automatically granted it. Laissez Faire needs no regulation, all that is required is for there to be law and justice. Criminal activity hasn't been stamped out because of regulation, on the contrary, it has exploded. There will always be bad actors, if you give them regulation, then there will be regulated bad actors. In other words, bad actors become legalised. That's what has happened and why so many are seeking an alternative through the ballot box.

I am in agreement with you here and it is the main reason I have submitted that Social Anarchy will not work.

 

That people don't think rationally doesn't mean they can't. Eventually they will have no choice. I hope that I'm pushing up dasies before that day comes.

True.  And that is why I support Apple in its dispute with the FBI.

 

Communism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, capitalism (as it's currently practised) are all part of the collectivist philosophy. Wether it's Gordon Gecko and his 'greed is good' hedonism for hedonists sake, or intellectual liberals talking of fairness it's all the same bollox. I think you justify it as perhaps a lesser, necessary evil, but in objectivist terms that is just evasion and in many ways that is much worse than pure ignorance as you don't have any excuse.

But still, if any governing system is abused then they are all the same.  Systems that favor the elite.  Screw the masses.

 

You are equating socialism with the good, because it appears to be doing good, but, like all evils, the devil is in the detail. It is in what is unseen. Even death camp inmates received shelter and food.

I have already admitted that social systems have they negative side.  Dualities really do exist in the mind of man.

 

So we shoot for what does the least harm.  Capitalism doesn't fair well here.

 

 

Socialism doesn't respect life. It's only because you have decided to call it something which makes the underlying philosophy seem milder. You wouldn't act like that had you lived under Russian or Chinese socialism. You would know what it was and what it meant. Socialism is from Marx and Marx got it from Hegel and Kant plus all the others that believed man was incapable of good. Where Kant and Hegel restricted themselves to individuals, Marx took it further into a particularly destructive kind of social collectivism. The result was Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Stalin and all the other tyrants who have caused greater death, misery and destruction than the world has ever known. To admit you support 'a bit of that' a moderately watered down version is to misunderstand how the spark can become a flame.

Disagree.  Socialism (non-political) does respect life.

 

I won't disagree with anything in the remainder of that paragraph.

[Brian]

I guess according to the dead document Scalia Constitutionalists, all the land grant colleges should be shut down since such institutions of higher learning were originally funded by the government. I wonder if Brian attended a public or land grant university?

 

My alma mater is 'The Ohio State University' a top tier research institution and member of AAU.

Wait! You mean you went to a state school rather than a federal school? One chartered by the State of Ohio rather than the central government itself?

 

Imagine!

 

Yep, it doesn't say anything in the US Constitution about running schools so that is left to States, local governments and the people. Funny how that works, eh?

[ralis]

Well,

I am in agreement with you here and it is the main reason I have submitted that Social Anarchy will not work.

 

 

True.  And that is why I support Apple in its dispute with the FBI.

 

But still, if any governing system is abused then they are all the same.  Systems that favor the elite.  Screw the masses.

 

I have already admitted that social systems have they negative side.  Dualities really do exist in the mind of man.

 

So we shoot for what does the least harm.  Capitalism doesn't fair well here.

 

 

Disagree.  Socialism (non-political) does respect life.

 

I won't disagree with anything in the remainder of that paragraph.

 

To add, every system has a so called negative side. It depends on the society that instituted that particular system and the general consensus of the population.

[Marblehead]

Why would I bomb Florida ? Also, as a side note, I would take every penny and service you are due from the state without the slightest equivocation.

In response to your side note;

 

Only after you pry my .20 gauge out of my dead fingers.

 

But really, if I paid no taxes to the state then I wouldn't expect any services from it.  However, I am forced to pay tax dollars to the state.  I have therefore earned compensation.

[Karl]

The anti socialists here would rather see people dying on the streets rather than having compassion for those in need. Ron Paul once said that if one has no insurance and is sick or in need of surgery, then one should beg a church to help. That was an absurd statement.

 

I very much doubt Ron said that in context.

It should be clear that anti-socialists would not rather see people dying on the streets, but presently that's precisely what we are witnessing because of socialism.

We even had 1500 plus old people dying unnecessarily in just one NHS hospital. The final report suggested that there were many thousands of neglected old people suffering and dying unnecessarily. Some were forced to drink the water from flower vases in order to survive.

Wherever socialism is, the death rate soars, just look at Venezuela, but, you say you aren't a socialist.

[ralis]

Wait! You mean you went to a state school rather than a federal school? One chartered by the State of Ohio rather than the central government itself?

 

Imagine!

 

Yep, it doesn't say anything in the US Constitution about running schools so that is left to States, local governments and the people. Funny how that works, eh?

 

Land grant schools which 'The Ohio State University' is was originally funded and chartered by the Federal government. I guess you must have attended a private school.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university

Edited March 14, 2016 by ralis

[Marblehead]

that damn teddy regressive roosevelt is who did the evil of setting lands aside for the the

the reasons are numerous and obvious

somehow despite all of his short comings it is teddy up there on mount rushmore looking down at us

And a bear was named in his honor.

[Marblehead]

texas is a place after your own heart karl

Texas is a place you have to drive through in order to get to where you really want to be.

[ralis]

In response to your side note;

 

Only after you pry my .20 gauge out of my dead fingers.

 

But really, if I paid no taxes to the state then I wouldn't expect any services from it.  However, I am forced to pay tax dollars to the state.  I have therefore earned compensation.

 

Only a 20 gauge? I went rabbit hunting when I was a kid with a double barrel 10 gauge. LOL!