Real taoist semen retention practices

[nine tailed fox]

Hi guys 

 

I have never dwelled into the subject of semen retention so I am not familiar with any techniques or books 

 

But I have read in many books that there are taoist techniques by which you can have sex without ejaculating,

 

Guys can you recommend me some good, real and authentic books or techniques on learning these techniques of retaining semen while still having sex 

 

Where can I learn real sexual practices  ???  I hAve seen some mantak Chia books,  but are those authentic  ??? 

 

It is advised in almost every spiritual traditional to not ejaculate ,  conserve the jing 

 

How to have sex without ejaculating

 

I am asking here because this is the first time I am dwelling in this subject and  I want authentic teachings,  and I am sure there are many experienced people here 

[ThisLife]

Over the years I've belonged to a number of different forums like this, trying to see if spiritual seeking could be carried on in this, (for me), new world of internet 'spiritual forums.' Questions and interests like yours have come up relatively frequently on every forum that I've come across so far. Sometimes, when I came across what I took to be a truly exceptional and informative exchange between posters, I would copy and paste it all as a word doc. Below I've added just about the very best advice I've ever come across for questions like the ones you have just asked here. These responses have all been extracted from a now defunct forum called "Buddhachat", way back in 2006. I feel that the second person who replied has nailed the solution perfectly. Follow his advice and I believe you'll never need to write to forums like this again with problems of this nature.

 

Hope it helps

 

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Okay, so this is probably in the wrong section, forgive me if it is. Anyways, I have had an addiction, if you will, to internet porn for a while, and I know it has to do with the ego. I know this, because I have become obsessed with downloading it and all that, just having it on my computer satisfies me. Anyways, I know of a Christian website that could help me get free, but are there any Buddhists websites that could help me get free ?

 

{First Reply } :

 

You could pose some restrictions on yourself.

Step 1: Delete all the porn you have on your computer. ALL of it.

Step 2: Turn on the "parental filters" on yourself. I'm sure this is possible. If you come across a website that you think should be let through, I believe you can give yourself access to that specific site. (Optionally, you can entrust the password to this system to a friend who you trust to help you overcome your addiction. If you want to go to a blocked website, you'll have to ask him. And he should only give you access if it's appropriate)

Now those are steps I think everyone could take. I personally have been on and off this addiction, and here's my personal advice :

 

Step 3: Get a hobby. I found when I had something constructive to do, I would usually do that instead of downloading porn. But if I had, say, a couple hours to burn with nothing to do, I would be more likely to look at it.

Also, will yourself, do everything mentally in your power, to not look at anything for a week. Try it. If you fail, don't worry about it, just try again. If you succeed, great, try it again.

The last advice I have is to, before you start searching the internet, just get off the computer, leave the room, go sit down, and think: "Do I really want to do this? What is driving me? Is it my brain that's telling me to do this, or something else?" Sit for at least 5 minutes. If you think you are capable of sitting down and not looking, then you can go back. Since you are off the computer anyway, if you think you have a chance of looking, instead of going back to the computer, go watch TV. Go make a sandwich. Go take a run around the block.

I'm sorry I can't suggest any websites. But I do have personally experience with the issue, and know that you can do it! The longer you can go without doing it, the less you'll want to.

 

{Second Reply} :

 

Just jerk off as fast as you can and stop delaying the gratification. You'll save time and energy.

 

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Edited August 16, 2015 by ThisLife

[nine tailed fox]

Well I think you got me wrong here

 

Anyway what I was trying to say is that

 

I wanna learn how to have sex without ejaculating 

 

I wanna learn taoist sexual practices 

 

I have not studied this field before

 

I have just heard about mantak Chia books,  but I have also heard bad things about them 

 

So I just wanted to know what guys here follow 

 

There must be other books and techniques besides mantak Chia,  or may be mantak Chia is good and safe

[Kubba]

Generally it is all about getting the Prana Uḍāna stable. 

 

I made a post about it here, I don't know the daoist terminology, but body is one for all men so it is adjustable:

http://thedaobums.com/topic/39102-seminal-retention-pc-muscle-the-dangers/?p=640508

 

Other practice that could look as if not related is simply exercising your voice emmission,  simply chanting etc. I know that in many traditions chanting is desighned for utilising this prana, so I guess daoists chants are good as weel.

Durring the sex, often time we uncosciously use our throath and mouth area contractions to stai in control of erotic senssations.

 

With time your whole body becomes senible and erotic, it won't matter to much to ejaculate or no, cause orgasm will happen in the whole body. Actually you will have multiple orgasms, one after another, sometimes 20 -30....

 

At least thats my experience, and that's the practice I've been following. But also from my experience, learning to contractt pc muscles and front tissues of the body isn't a good thing to do, cause it builds a lot of tenssions. Then different kinds of  aggression might arose from it.

But I reccomend to find a teacher first, and be honest about you motivation - why you actually want to do it? The teacher will intuitevely know what is the right practice for you.

Usually this kind of practice will backfire when done wrong way, and repercussions can last long time.

But ultimatelley thats also a good entrane portal...

[Synchronic]

I'd follow some of Mantak Chia's practises, but avoid anything that involves physically "forcing" or "blocking" as that is still ejaculating but it is just being stopped on it's journey out of the body, which is not good.

 

Stuff like cold draw and big draw are probably good places to start, there is a large Mantak Chia PDF file compilation floating about for download on the internet which has quite a few books discussing these practises and techniques/exercises.

[Miffymog]

Quick note - I'd recommend Bruce Frantzis book on Taoist Sexual Meditation, I much prefer its approach than Mantak Chia. When I first read his work, I did have to get used to his writing style. But now I am, I really see him as having a vast amount of knowledge. 

[Perceiver]

Whatever you do, dont do pc muscle exercises. They harmed me and lots of other people too.

[nine tailed fox]

Whatever you do, dont do pc muscle exercises. They harmed me and lots of other people too.

 

than how can you control your ejaculation, if you dont use pc muscles  ?

[Henchman21]

Whatever you do, dont do pc muscle exercises. They harmed me and lots of other people too.

how did this harm you exactly? I have heard to contract the perineum with only your mind or risk stagnation, but there are also lots of physical contracting that can be done

i am just curious I don't mean to sound incredulous

[Rara]

Over the years I've belonged to a number of different forums like this, trying to see if spiritual seeking could be carried on in this, (for me), new world of internet 'spiritual forums.' Questions and interests like yours have come up relatively frequently on every forum that I've come across so far. Sometimes, when I came across what I took to be a truly exceptional and informative exchange between posters, I would copy and paste it all as a word doc. Below I've added just about the very best advice I've ever come across for questions like the ones you have just asked here. These responses have all been extracted from a now defunct forum called "Buddhachat", way back in 2006. I feel that the second person who replied has nailed the solution perfectly. Follow his advice and I believe you'll never need to write to forums like this again with problems of this nature.

 

Hope it helps

 

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{Opening Post } :

 

Okay, so this is probably in the wrong section, forgive me if it is. Anyways, I have had an addiction, if you will, to internet porn for a while, and I know it has to do with the ego. I know this, because I have become obsessed with downloading it and all that, just having it on my computer satisfies me. Anyways, I know of a Christian website that could help me get free, but are there any Buddhists websites that could help me get free ?

 

{First Reply } :

 

You could pose some restrictions on yourself.

 

Step 1: Delete all the porn you have on your computer. ALL of it.

 

Step 2: Turn on the "parental filters" on yourself. I'm sure this is possible. If you come across a website that you think should be let through, I believe you can give yourself access to that specific site. (Optionally, you can entrust the password to this system to a friend who you trust to help you overcome your addiction. If you want to go to a blocked website, you'll have to ask him. And he should only give you access if it's appropriate)

 

Now those are steps I think everyone could take. I personally have been on and off this addiction, and here's my personal advice :

 

Step 3: Get a hobby. I found when I had something constructive to do, I would usually do that instead of downloading porn. But if I had, say, a couple hours to burn with nothing to do, I would be more likely to look at it.

 

Also, will yourself, do everything mentally in your power, to not look at anything for a week. Try it. If you fail, don't worry about it, just try again. If you succeed, great, try it again.

 

The last advice I have is to, before you start searching the internet, just get off the computer, leave the room, go sit down, and think: "Do I really want to do this? What is driving me? Is it my brain that's telling me to do this, or something else?" Sit for at least 5 minutes. If you think you are capable of sitting down and not looking, then you can go back. Since you are off the computer anyway, if you think you have a chance of looking, instead of going back to the computer, go watch TV. Go make a sandwich. Go take a run around the block.

 

I'm sorry I can't suggest any websites. But I do have personally experience with the issue, and know that you can do it! The longer you can go without doing it, the less you'll want to.

 

{Second Reply} :

 

Just jerk off as fast as you can and stop delaying the gratification. You'll save time and energy.

 

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Agreed!

[Rara]

Well I think you got me wrong here

 

Anyway what I was trying to say is that

 

I wanna learn how to have sex without ejaculating

 

I wanna learn taoist sexual practices

 

I have not studied this field before

 

I have just heard about mantak Chia books, but I have also heard bad things about them

 

So I just wanted to know what guys here follow

 

There must be other books and techniques besides mantak Chia, or may be mantak Chia is good and safe

I honestly say there is no point.

 

Read TTC and Zhuangzi and then try and figure out where "semen retention" fits.

 

I woulf say semen retention is a "Taoist" practice, not a Taoist practice

[Miffymog]

I honestly say there is no point.

 

Read TTC and Zhuangzi and then try and figure out where "semen retention" fits.

 

I woulf say semen retention is a "Taoist" practice, not a Taoist practice

 

I agree with your last sentence, and in my 20's I'd have agreed with the third to last sentence too. However, around your 40's it can become quite easy, almost natural, and very beneficial. Also, as your sexual energy becomes less dominant, there seem to be very few dangers or drawbacks (which was not the case for me 15 years ago)

[Perceiver]

than how can you control your ejaculation, if you dont use pc muscles  ?

 

By using your mind to separate orgasm from ejaculation.

[Perceiver]

how did this harm you exactly? I have heard to contract the perineum with only your mind or risk stagnation, but there are also lots of physical contracting that can be done

i am just curious I don't mean to sound incredulous

 

I was contracting very hard upon orgasm, and something in my stomach collapsed. My stomach looks different now, and I can't do situps without getting soreness. Also, I have suffered from premature ejaculation ever since. And lots of other things. One of my recent threads explains it..

[Silent Answers]

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Edited August 19, 2015 by Silent Answers

[Rara]

I agree with your last sentence, and in my 20's I'd have agreed with the third to last sentence too. However, around your 40's it can become quite easy, almost natural, and very beneficial. Also, as your sexual energy becomes less dominant, there seem to be very few dangers or drawbacks (which was not the case for me 15 years ago)

I'd say that's fair. I'm not near 40, but I can say that my natural desires are less than when I was 14-23! Yes, some form of discipline practice came in to play, but retention was never necessary. Natural understanding and love for the woman I've been with for over 7 years now...that in itself made me wanna get off the daily porn. But if I have sex with her and pull out before climax...well, that would be awkward. It would serve no benefit whatsoever. She could lose self-esteem and think I'm going mental...

 

...my fiancee is not an experiment

 

If the OP has a problem/addiction, then ok. Getting away from the PC and getting a decent hobby might help. Short-term retention building up to longer perhaps will benefit until he learns to "bust one out" only when necessary. For this reason, I will support.

 

If it's just to follow a dogmatic practice from a book out of blind belief that it will make him somewhat a more advanced practitioner of life, I wish to save him the disappointment.

[nine tailed fox]

Well so mantak Chia is not that great 

 

But there are no other source for this type of information also 

 

That's weird situation 

[Taoist Texts]

Well so mantak Chia is not that great 

Chia is quite adequate for beginners

 

But there are no other source for this type of information also

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