Russian colony of the United States

[Lois]

Totalitarian control. Turning the population into mindless robots through the state education system and the media. Controlling the message by controlling the definitions.

King Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the sun. What has been is what will be. Everything is vanity."

Do you think he was wrong?

[Karl]

King Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the sun. What has been is what will be. Everything is vanity."

Do you think he was wrong?

:-)

Sol-Sun.

 

Sol-o-Mon Sun on the mount. Some say Sun and Moon. Where have you seen that pictorial representation. A riddle within a riddle. Who's symbolism is it and when did it become mixed with our human narrative.

 

To reign a thousand years is to capture the hearts and minds of those who stand by. Understand the statement in context of Solomon the wise. What is true and what is myth ?

 

What do you think ?

Edited September 6, 2015 by Karl

[dawei]

Except no one made any such contract. The social contract is another myth by design. 

 

Most everything we do is a part of an invisible social contract... that is my way of saying what I feel you mean by we have no real rights.

 

Every store you enter, any website you go to... there is a unwritten and unspoken contract going on to some degree.  We might be desensitized to following it without realizing it or we drift along its wave and cause no disruption.

[Lois]

:-)

Sol-Sun.

 

Sol-o-Mon Sun on the mount. Some say Sun and Moon. Where have you seen that pictorial representation. A riddle within a riddle. Who's symbolism is it and when did it become mixed with our human narrative.

 

To reign a thousand years is to capture the hearts and minds of those who stand by. Understand the statement in context of Solomon the wise. What is true and what is myth ?

 

What do you think ?

This idea of King Solomon of our lives. It is a philosophy. Myths is another category.

[Karl]

Most everything we do is a part of an invisible social contract... that is my way of saying what I feel you mean by we have no real rights.

 

Every store you enter, any website you go to... there is a unwritten and unspoken contract going on to some degree.  We might be desensitized to following it without realizing it or we drift along its wave and cause no disruption.

 

No, it's a choice to go into a shop or restaurant. It isn't a choice to accept the state. The usual reply to this is 'move'. I agree, everyone supporting statism should move elsewhere.

[Karl]

This idea of King Solomon of our lives. It is a philosophy. Myths is another category.

 

For a start he wasn't called Solomon, that came later. Things get added and twisted into history to become a fixation in the narrative.

Question everything.

Solomon-as he is known today-was an effective ruler. Do you think it have might been a good basis to build a narrative to support the modern ruling class as well as previous ruling dynasties ?

 

 

[Lois]

For a start he wasn't called Solomon, that came later. Things get added and twisted into history to become a fixation in the narrative. Question everything. Solomon-as he is known today-was an effective ruler. Do you think it have might been a good basis to build a narrative to support the modern ruling class as well as previous ruling dynasties ?

I think it is important for Jews only.

[dawei]

No, it's a choice to go into a shop or restaurant. It isn't a choice to accept the state. The usual reply to this is 'move'. I agree, everyone supporting statism should move elsewhere.

 

I think you don't get the point I'm making so I'll try to explain more.

 

EVERY STATE has it... it is universal... anywhere there are laws there are what I speak of... it permeates society and infiltrates ethics and morality and the best decisions made by many... you can't move beyond any 'state', physically speaking...  We live in a country which operates by rule of law.   Most follow it like an implant.

 

We are all bound and surrounded by this... on a real societal level... This is the manifest world, but we can dis-own our implanted 'contract' to it... How do we dis-own it?

 

I don't really expect you to answer that as your approach is to try to make a rational and logical explanation for existence whereas I am leading towards a manifest vs mystery dichotomy which resolve to Singularity...

 

So my solution is not rational logic but singularity.

 

What I have found is those who truly understand, comprehend, understand their existence don't understand how it relates to Singularity... but those in singularity understand how it relates to duality of Existences and Non-Existence.   There are exceptions of course.  I work with data so outliers are to my perspective not to be thrown out but understood within the greater framework.

[Karl]

I think you don't get the point I'm making so I'll try to explain more.

 

EVERY STATE has it... it is universal... anywhere there are laws there are what I speak of... it permeates society and infiltrates ethics and morality and the best decisions made by many... you can't move beyond any 'state', physically speaking...  We live in a country which operates by rule of law.   Most follow it like an implant.

 

We are all bound and surrounded by this... on a real societal level... This is the manifest world, but we can dis-own our implanted 'contract' to it... How do we dis-own it?

 

I don't really expect you to answer that as your approach is to try to make a rational and logical explanation for existence whereas I am leading towards a manifest vs mystery dichotomy which resolve to Singularity...

 

So my solution is not rational logic but singularity.

 

What I have found is those who truly understand, comprehend, understand their existence don't understand how it relates to Singularity... but those in singularity understand how it relates to duality of Existences and Non-Existence.   There are exceptions of course.  I work with data so outliers are to my perspective not to be thrown out but understood within the greater framework.

 

Then you are determined to follow that belief and that must be how it is. You wish to throw away your individual identity and become the cosmic oneness. I understand better than you know.

[Karl]

I think it is important for Jews only.

 

Yet you do not know the words this ruler uttered and they have become embedded in your mind. An association has formed which is part of Lois. A concept of a King by such and such a name who has a philosophy that you understand, or perhaps agree with. Would you so easily take the fruit of a tree you knew to be poisonous ? Do you believe he was Solomon the wise ? The all knowing ? A relationship is formed within the mind, a connection is created. The wise ruler says such a thing and so it must be true. How could such a man be wrong ? It is not a question of right or wrong, it is a question of not accepting anything without determining its validity independently of any other beliefs. Unlearn everything and then scan it.

[Lois]

Yet you do not know the words this ruler uttered and they have become embedded in your mind. An association has formed which is part of Lois. A concept of a King by such and such a name who has a philosophy that you understand, or perhaps agree with. Would you so easily take the fruit of a tree you knew to be poisonous ? Do you believe he was Solomon the wise ? The all knowing ? A relationship is formed within the mind, a connection is created. The wise ruler says such a thing and so it must be true. How could such a man be wrong ? It is not a question of right or wrong, it is a question of not accepting anything without determining its validity independently of any other beliefs. Unlearn everything and then scan it.

Of course I believe that Solomon was wise. Suffice it to read his works in order to understand it. And what are your claims to the words of Solomon?

[Karl]

Of course I believe that Solomon was wise. Suffice it to read his works in order to understand it. And what are your claims to the words of Solomon?

 

I make no claims. I am a blind man with a coarse stick which I use to poke and prod the world.

[zerostao]

once saruman was wise, perhaps, he was the leader of the istari, but instead of going thru with the plan to combat the power of sauron,,he thought to seize that power for himself. i think it is a classic example of desire/lust for power. temptation and betrayal. valar wanted to challenge sauron, but instead of direct conflict, valar choose to start a proxy war by stirring up the people. when saruman learned that the one ring might be found at the river anduin, which happened to be close to sauron's stronghold, dol guldor,,,,,saruman persuades the council to drive out sauron.

saruman also is secretly presiding over the shire via sharkey, and unwitting men and hobbits begin the destructive process of modernization.

[dawei]

Then you are determined to follow that belief and that must be how it is. You wish to throw away your individual identity and become the cosmic oneness. I understand better than you know.

 

Identity isn't a thing... thus there is no-thing to grab hold of to throw away.  And one doesn't become what they already are.  I don't view it as the kind of change you seem to imply but rather a perspective or awareness which is revealing its natural clarity.   

[Karl]

Identity isn't a thing... thus there is no-thing to grab hold of to throw away.  And one doesn't become what they already are.  I don't view it as the kind of change you seem to imply but rather a perspective or awareness which is revealing its natural clarity.   

 

Its a belief that one has a universal inseparable oneness instead of individual identity. You are correct, identity cannot be thrown away, but it can be mentally suppressed. This can seem like a different awareness or perspective and in fact this is also true. It is possible to recreate ones reality in almost endless form. The important question is how do you know when you have the genuine reality ? Of course you cannot, because it is always altering- more experience, more concepts, more integration of concepts. The best that can be done is to ensure the inputs and integrations are as good as they can be made.

 

[dawei]

Its a belief that one has a universal inseparable oneness instead of individual identity. You are correct, identity cannot be thrown away, but it can be mentally suppressed. This can seem like a different awareness or perspective and in fact this is also true. It is possible to recreate ones reality in almost endless form. The important question is how do you know when you have the genuine reality ? Of course you cannot, because it is always altering- more experience, more concepts, more integration of concepts. The best that can be done is to ensure the inputs and integrations are as good as they can be made.

 

And individual identity is a belief.  Once you stop seeking or talking about a 'reality', you don't need to think or talk about it... it ceases being an 'it'.    

[Karl]

And individual identity is a belief.  Once you stop seeking or talking about a 'reality', you don't need to think or talk about it... it ceases being an 'it'.    

 

No, we have individual identity it is not simply a belief. We perceive from external senses and then try and make sense of that as an experience. Our perceptual reality is individual, but reality is not. Existence exists. The rest is all about figuring it out. In effect we are the universe exploring itself.

[dawei]

We perceive from external senses and then try and make sense of that as an experience. 

 

That's where we differ...   

[Karl]

That's where we differ...   

 

You will have to be more explicit dawai in what ways we differ. I can think of several but none which would be sufficiently different for us to be completely unable to share our thoughts.