Question about sex practices.

[Oneironaut]

This is going to be a very superficial question and one that's guaranteed to piss certain people off if I haven't done so already  

 

When a man masters separating orgasm from ejaculation does that mean he could plow through several dozen colleges full of hotties and back?

 

I ask because I want to get an idea of what's possible. 

[Aetherous]

Everything is possible, but everything has consequences.

 

What is your real goal here? What's the purpose of separating orgasm from ejaculation?

 

Birth control? Spirituality? Longevity? Just something interesting to accomplish? Having several dozen colleges full of hotties for you?

There might be some misunderstandings you are operating from, due to false teachings. Like the idea that it could be used for spiritual development for instance.

[Oneironaut]

Everything is possible, but everything has consequences.

 

What is your real goal here? What's the purpose of separating orgasm from ejaculation?

 

Birth control? Spirituality? Longevity? Just something interesting to accomplish? Having several dozen colleges full of hotties for you?

 

All of the above

[vonkrankenhaus]

Re:

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"Birth control? Spirituality? Longevity? Just something interesting to accomplish? Having several dozen colleges full of hotties for you?"

 

"All of the above"

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"Separating orgasm from ejaculation" is in no way required or responsible for any of those things listed.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Oneironaut]

Re:

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"Birth control? Spirituality? Longevity? Just something interesting to accomplish? Having several dozen colleges full of hotties for you?"

 

"All of the above"

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"Separating orgasm from ejaculation" is in no way required or responsible for any of those things listed.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

It's still a good ability to acquire. Don't understand why most on this forum are so vehemently against it.

[voidisyinyang]

It's still a good ability to acquire. Don't understand why most on this forum are so vehemently against it.

 

I did this but didn't know of the results.

 

You have to study the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" to understand.

 

Every thought about reproduction causes the yuan qi of the pineal gland to shoot down the spine to turn the Ocean of Qi (yin qi) into reproductive fluid.

 

So what the female is attracted to is actually the yin qi energy (yang jing) which emanates out of the eyes as the Heart's Fire (the green dragon energy).

 

It's the irony of alchemy that until you fill the lower tan tien with yin qi - then the dragon of the heart remains hidden in yin form and the yang of the lower tan tien also remains hidden. Once the yin qi is filled up in the lower tan tien then the dragon turns from green dragon (the yin qi of the liver) into red dragon of the heart as yang qi energy (yuan qi).

 

So that's why a pure heart is the fastest way to activate the yuan qi.

 

The irony being that you increase your yin qi and then with your eye's open it causes females to be attracted to you.

 

You falsely think this is activating your qi energy - but instead it is causing you to deconvert your yuan qi into more yin qi.

 

So then the yuan qi turned into yin qi which is then turned into reproductive fluid - which is then sublimated as internal orgasm - is actually sublimated UP THE FRONT CHANNEL and shot out of the eyes as more yin qi energy.

 

So you are actually continually burning off yuan qi and converting it into yin qi and shooting it out of the eyes via the pineal gland.

 

this is called the false fire of the heart - again it's explained in Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality - and it's the number one cause of failure in the training.

 

Basically the more you try to build up your lower tan tien energy then the more chicks will be attracted to you.

 

Basically that just means you are speeding up the deconversion of your yuan qi into yin qi and then into reproductive fluid which is sublimated and shot back into the females as yin qi energy.

 

You take in the female yin qi energy when they climax but again you just turn it back into yin qi.

 

So as tantra you can work this as a catalyst to convert the negative lower emotions into blissful love energy - but it is limited as the lower realm of form (the opening of the heart to just start to activate the yuan qi energy).

 

So then once you have the mutual heart qi love energy through mutual climaxes over and over - in fact although your yuan qi is activated it is only because you are burning it off so directly - that you feel it directly.

 

So at that point you have achieved the Immortal Ghost status. Congratulations. haha.

 

Trust me - I burned through college females. But you have to first transmit into the female the higher frequency of your yin qi energy which then activates their vagus nerve and when they climax it feeds in their yin qi energy into you.

 

That process depends on your first lowering the frequency of your yuan qi into yin qi energy and reversing it - so it goes DOWN THE BACK CHANNEL AND UP THE FRONT.

 

It is a continual loss of energy - despite it being a catalyst of energy transformation.

 

It's a blissful path to be sure and it burns off the other negative emotions - sadness, worry, fear, anger - converting them into the overexcitement of heart-love - but what get's lost is the actual spiritual power of the true Emptiness that is formless - the true unconditional love energy.

 

The sex lust energy as romantic overexcitement or passion of the heart - that is still a lower emotion and so it's not the unconditional love energy of yuan qi - it relies on it but burns it off and so in the end you have to rebuild the yuan qi energy by focusing on Emptiness only.

 

You will burn off serious yuan qi doing this and it's very difficult to restore yuan jing from just pure meditation and food. The yuan jing is restored as the inner copulation of Green Dragon (yin qi of the liver) with White Tiger of the lungs (which creates the salvia ambrosia).

 

The tantra practice is based on psychic energy - not the real spiritual energy of alchemy training.

 

So you can think of tantra as like a rocket booster - it definitely burns off a lot of energy fast and it's a lot of fun - but unless you actually escape orbit and go into permanent spiritual free gravity - then you're going to fall back to earth at increased acceleration and vaporize in the atmosphere.

[Aetherous]

All of the above

 

Then either I was wrong that everything is possible, or very right that there are consequences (which you may not like).

[liminal_luke]

 

You note, rightly I think, that your question is likely to piss some people off. Your curiosity about "plowing through several colleges of hotties" suggests a willingness to treat your sexual partners as objects, rather than as people. Of course, the upshot of this approach is that you end up treating yourself as an object as well.

 

Apart from pissing people off, this behavior won´t get you very far spiritually. You´ll become disassociated from yourself, splintered into little pieces, which is exactly what you don´t want to do.

 

The question I ask myself as a sexual person who wants to develop spiritually is this: what kind of sexual behavior/values will contribute to my feeling whole and complete? It´s a place to start.

 

Liminal

Edited August 27, 2015 by liminal_luke

[Perceiver]

This is going to be a very superficial question and one that's guaranteed to piss certain people off if I haven't done so already

 

When a man masters separating orgasm from ejaculation does that mean he could plow through several dozen colleges full of hotties and back?

 

I ask because I want to get an idea of what's possible. 

 

Lol.. If they find you irresistible, yes.

[Perceiver]

Also, I would recommend you to listen to the advice of some posters in this thread. Many of the beliefs that hold us back spiritually are often sexual ones, like the ones you attest to above.

[Oneironaut]

You note, rightly I think, that your question is likely to piss some people off. Your curiosity about "plowing through several colleges of hotties" suggests a willingness to treat your sexual partners as objects, rather than as people. Of course, the upshot of this approach is that you end up treating yourself as an object as well.

 

Apart from pissing people off, this behavior won´t get you very far spiritually. You´ll become disassociated from yourself, splintered into little pieces, which is exactly what you don´t want to do.

 

The question I ask myself as a sexual person who wants to develop spiritually is this: what kind of sexual behavior/values will contribute to my feeling whole and complete? It´s a place to start.

 

Liminal

The consequences may be I enjoy a happy life and die with a smile on my face. It doesn't have to be a fatalistic and negative outcome.

 

And if actually going out and enjoying myself equates to self objectification then so be it.

 

I didn't ask for a lecture guys. I only wanted a direct answer. So thanks for not answering the question. I guess I'll just have to figure it out for myself and observe all the haters wishing the worse upon me (just so they can point the finger and say "see! I told you so!") simply because my outlook and approach to certain things in life threatens their own.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Oneironaut

[Aetherous]

Pretty sure there are no haters here or people wishing you bad luck. Just people with experience and knowledge.

What you want to do is somewhat possible, but also brings bad results in many ways. You'll see a few years down the line if you really train for it.

[liminal_luke]

Sorry if I come off as a "hater" Oneironaut. I don´t mean to be judgmental. I was speaking from my own experience as someone who hasn´t always made good sexual decisions. I´ve done my own version of what you propose, and paid a price energetically. That´s all.

[SonOfTheGods]

This is going to be a very superficial question and one that's guaranteed to piss certain people off if I haven't done so already

 

When a man masters separating orgasm from ejaculation does that mean he could plow through several dozen colleges full of hotties and back?

 

I ask because I want to get an idea of what's possible. 

 

I will break it down into simple terminology.

 

You are using "base energy" which is sexual- this uses up Jing.

 

It isn't heart energy / Yellow Court and it isn't Higher Shen / spiritual energy (middle and upper tan tian)

 

Tantric sex with a partner who can also put energy out and circulate wouldn't drain you- but college girls will drain you

 

You do not have to orgasm to lose energy.

 

This is why doing seminal retention INCORRECTLY will still leave you drained and injured.

 

However, once you get expert enough to correctly do what you are seeking to do- there is a good chance you will no longer want to do this.

 

When the Jing is in a higher "achieved" state- sexual hunger is limited.

[thelerner]

I don't think anyone here is a hater or wishes you poorly.  You could of asked if wearing a tight cockring would accomplish the same thing.  The answers might be similar.   Your question feels, forgive the pun, a bit too loaded and I think you sensed that when you asked it. 

 

The hope is that a person's who's mastered taoist sexual techniques has gained discipline and also studied other taoist subjects and in turn becomes a very mature person.  The consequence of such study is actually losing interest in mindless conquest or teenage fantasies.

 

On the otherhand in one of Daniel Reids books (I think the herbalism one) he talks about a modern taoist master who has non ejaculating sex with several woman a day.   I don't think its the norm, and its probably more about extracting yin energy then pleasure.   So it seem to me more a health thing then sexual one.  In Reid's general books on taoist practices he more often talks about using taoist sexual techniques to form deeper personal relationship. 

Edited August 28, 2015 by thelerner

[imtyerd]

Okay so from what I've read it is possible but what comes with sexual conquests is consequences? 

 

So what are these consequences? Any anecdotes? How will it affect future practice? Is the trade off worth it or not? Do you regret it? ... 

 

SonofTheGods:

 

I see that you say it will drain you but I don't understand what you mean by that. Days and days of lethargy or just unable to concentrate for a day? Or do you mean it will just be hard to maintain for too long before you need to recover?

 

Thanks

Edited September 8, 2015 by imtyerd

[SonOfTheGods]

Okay so from what I've read it is possible but what comes with sexual conquests is consequences? 

 

So what are these consequences? Any anecdotes? How will it affect future practice? Is the trade off worth it or not? Do you regret it? ... 

 

SonofTheGods:

 

I see that you say it will drain you but I don't understand what you mean by that. Days and days of lethargy or just unable to concentrate for a day? Or do you mean it will just be hard to maintain for too long before you need to recover?

 

Thanks

 

Drains your Jing - and that depends on how your personal body mechanics operate.

 

Might be minor- or totally drain you.

 

Experience is the only solution .

[Oneironaut]

www.iama.edu/Articles/DrinkinfromJadeFountn.htm

[imtyerd]

Pretty sure there are no haters here or people wishing you bad luck. Just people with experience and knowledge.

 

What you want to do is somewhat possible, but also brings bad results in many ways. You'll see a few years down the line if you really train for it.

 

Sorry if I come off as a "hater" Oneironaut. I don´t mean to be judgmental. I was speaking from my own experience as someone who hasn´t always made good sexual decisions. I´ve done my own version of what you propose, and paid a price energetically. That´s all.

 

A lot of talk about experience but you guys haven't actually talked about it. 

 

What exactly did you experiences? What was your version? What does paid a price energetically mean? Anecdotes would be helpful guys.

 

We could learn and understand a lot more if you discussed your sexual decisions. Clearly you've made mistakes but what were those mistakes? It's not very clear. 

 

 

If nothing is actually shared here then newbies here are just going to make the same mistakes as you guys maybe even worse.

 

Let's be real here saying "It's not a good idea, believe me" doesn't really stop us from trying - if anything it's only going to make us try harder. 

 

Thanks

Edited September 9, 2015 by imtyerd

[liminal_luke]

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Edited September 9, 2015 by liminal_luke

[liminal_luke]

 

Let be real here saying "It's not a good idea, believe me" doesn't really stop us from trying - if anything it's only going to make us try harder. 

 

If I thought putting out details of my personal life would help, I would. But you seem pretty determined to do what you´ve decided to do. Personally, I love the idea of being able to share something and having somebody else take my advice to heart. Almost everybody loves that. But it´s not gonna happen this time, unfortunately. Oh well. Maybe some other thread.

[liminal_luke]

double post

Edited September 9, 2015 by liminal_luke

[Aetherous]

If nothing is actually shared here then newbies here are just going to make the same mistakes as you guys maybe even worse.

 

Let's be real here saying "It's not a good idea, believe me" doesn't really stop us from trying - if anything it's only going to make us try harder.

 

It's only my duty to warn people when I think it's necessary...it's not my duty to make your decisions for you. The nature of advice is always that you can consider it (if you're wise), and then take it or leave it.

 

You bring up a good point...the most profound way to learn anything is the hard way. Not simply taking other people's advice, but finding out why they give that advice through personal experience. Sometimes things don't even make sense until you do that...only later do you realize why there were warnings.

[Oneironaut]

You guys were right. Upon further research I discovered that the technique of circulating sexual energy through the MCO to avoid orgasm isn't a great idea to use for the purpose of screwing as many women as you want. The reason for that is because you accumulate all the energetic junk these women are carrying. And believe me, just about all of them carry so much NEGATIVE energy which I want no part of.

 

The good news is that there's another approach to developing the ability to last forever during sex with as many women as you want and still have the pleasure of being multi orgasmic. It involves no energy work and working on the pelvic floor muscles, timing and technique. Thank you guys very much for the warnings.