Does anyone here have a soda addiction?

[Stosh]

Yes , Im aware Neanderthal pigmentation genes are not considered to be the prevalent mutation ascribed to Modern europeans. Im saying that the imperative for developing light skin existed long before agriculture came to europe. The impact of agriculture, whether it be wheat or barley or millet, did not create the pressures to be light skinned. Could it have worked out that coincidentally , that light skin allows for consumption of less vitamin enriched diets? Sure. And being able to live on crappy diets fosters agriculture, which in turn fosters greater carrying capacities , population densities, and allows a group to dominate an area over what hunter gathering generally can.

[voidisyinyang]

Yes , Im aware Neanderthal pigmentation genes are not considered to be the prevalent mutation ascribed to Modern europeans. Im saying that the imperative for developing light skin existed long before agriculture came to europe. The impact of agriculture, whether it be wheat or barley or millet, did not create the pressures to be light skinned. Could it have worked out that coincidentally , that light skin allows for consumption of less vitamin enriched diets? Sure. And being able to live on crappy diets fosters agriculture, which in turn fosters greater carrying capacities , population densities, and allows a group to dominate an area over what hunter gathering generally can.

 

 

 

Light skin in Europeans stems from a gene mutation from a single person who lived 10,000 years ago....

 

This is according to a new U.S. study that claims the colour is due to an ancient ancestor who lived somewhere between the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2535288/Light-skin-colour-Europeans-stems-ONE-ancestor-lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html#ixzz3lY7BPH1E

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The a mutation, called A111T, is found in virtually every one of European ancestry.

 

 

 

 

The German woman, meanwhile, had brown eyes and lighter skin, and was related to Middle Eastern groups known to have developed farming.

 

http://www.nature.com/news/ancient-european-genomes-reveal-jumbled-ancestry-1.14456

Edited September 12, 2015 by Innersoundqigong

[voidisyinyang]

The study “provides evidence that loss of regular dietary vitamin D as a result of the transition to a more strongly agricultural lifestyle may have triggered” the evolution of lighter skin, says Nina Jablonski, a leading skin color researcher at Pennsylvania State University, University Park.

 

http://news.sciencem...ns-lighter-skin

[voidisyinyang]

ohan Moan, of the university's Institute of Physics, said in a research paper: ‘In England, from 5,500-5,200 years ago the food changed rapidly away from fish as an important food source. This led to a rapid development of ... light skin.’

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[voidisyinyang]

ary Rollefson. His chapter “Neolithic Devolution: Ecological Impact and Cultural
Compensation at 'Ain Ghazal Jordan” in the book Retrieving the Past (1996) provides crucial
insight into the origins of the early city-states of Western Asia. Rollefson states that from the
middle of the 9th millennium BCE and for about 1500 years there was early agriculture that had
relative little environmental impact. Slowly though the human population increased and this
combined with other factors to create a dramatic change, leading eventually to a population
implosion. First there was an increase in hunting on the wild animals, using more control factors
and pressure and finally leading to domestication of goats. “The introduction of goats, then,
represents an accelerating damage to the local environments of the permanent settlements in the
southern Levant...” Then the increased population was housed in lime plaster because it is more
impervious to water. Lime plaster, though, requires burning the limestone at a very high temperature, thereby requiring greater destruction of the local forests, which then led to further
wild animal collapse and finally water degradation and erosion. By the beginning of the sixth
millennium the local population had collapsed and was forced to rely on water springs and also
on seasonal vegetation in the steppes of higher elevation. This switch to herding the
domesticated goats did not support as high as population as the previous agriculture-based
communities. What is most fascinating is the special role the “wild” animals held for the people
in these early farming communities.

 

Gary O. Rollefson and Zeidan Kafafi, “'Ain Ghazal Excavation Reports,” University of Texas-Austin, 2010.

 

So the origins of white people from wheat-based farming in Western Asia is first with the religious "symbolic revolution" and then the rise of wheat farming to destroy the world - because of the first religious error.

 

Jacques Cauvin, “The Symbolic Foundations of the Neolithic Revolution in the Near East,” Life in Neolithic
Farming Communities, Fundamental Issues in Archaeology, 2002, Part IV, 235-252.

 

and so what did these early destroyers of ecology do?

 

They fled to Greece:

 

 

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Recent archaeological evidence from the Aegean, for example, no longer supports a model of gradual in-place transition of ancestral Mesolithic cultures into Neolithic cultures (

53

–

55

). Instead, there appears to have been a sharp decline in Late Mesolithic population levels, combined with the sudden appearance of radically different Neolithic settlements in previously unoccupied locations. As on Cyprus, recent work in the Aegean argues for the arrival of maritime colonists who, at

ca.

9,000 to 8,000 B.P., carried many components of the full Neolithic package (plant and animal domesticates, new lithic traditions, and, perhaps a bit later, pottery) (

Fig. 2

). Following a leapfrog pattern, these seafaring pioneers established farming communities that selectively focused on favorable environments in coastal Greece and on various Aegean Islands.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2575338/

 

and so the modern white male culture destroying the planet has its roots in that original attempt - religious attempt to "contain" infinity as the "symbolic revolution."

 

What happened?

 

 

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the Europeans' displacement and replacement of the native peoples in the temperate zones was more a matter of biology than of military conquest. European organisms had certain decisive advantages over their New World and Australian counterparts. The spread of European disease, flora, and fauna went hand in hand with the growth of populations. Consequently, these imperialists became proprietors of the world s most important agricultural lands. Now in a new edition with a new preface, Crosby revisits his now-classic work and again evaluates the global historical importance of European ecological expansion.

 

Ecological Imperialism: The Biological Expansion of Europe, 900-1900

http://www.commodity...europe-900-1900

 

So that Ecological Imperialism spread into Greece starting 6,000 BCE

[Taomeow]

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[Stosh]

Youre quoting all sorts of stuff, but failing to deal with the fact that light skin of any kind predates agriculture and it is an issue of global scale. The many migrations and the individual histories of particular genes in neolithic europe doesnt change that. Climactic shifts repeatedly made farming un feasible, though the tendency to predominate based on that lifestyle appears to be solid When agriculture was possible.

You just arent proving wheat makes people white because theyre malnourished. All youre doing is indicating that you have reason to consider light skin a superior adaptation allowing domination by virtue of agriculture. Just look at a map of the global distribution of skin tone like Chaplins. Skin tone just doesnt coincide with agricultural centers. Nor does color line up with seafood availability. Nor does it line up with traditional stereotypes about race. It only lines up with latitude.

[Stosh]

And even that doesnt line up well.Im starting to find it amusing though to have been characterized as racist by someone outlining the cultural and biological reasons they conclude that white men are supposedly dominating the entire globe. From what Ive read , the biggest neanderthal contribution to homo lies in immunity factors , which supposedly set the stage for domination of the new world. Thats good news for someone wanting an excuse. Same goes for Australia, more excuses provided by ecological devastation inadvertantly introduced. Unfortunately ,I dont want everyone let off the hook. What we do as individuals we are responsible for. We deserve the credit or vilification that justifiably attends that. No more nor less. Nor do we deserve baggage based on the physical similarities we might share. I took no slaves nor subjugated any peoples nor even introduced exotic pests to Australia. I just wasnt involved. So I am not apologetic. I know damn well some folks want to lay that crap on someones doorstep , just dont leave it on mine.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Stosh

[voidisyinyang]

And even that doesnt line up well.Im starting to find it amusing though to have been characterized as racist by someone outlining the cultural and biological reasons they conclude that white men are supposedly dominating the entire globe. From what Ive read , the biggest neanderthal contribution to homo lies in immunity factors , which supposedly set the stage for domination of the new world. Thats good news for someone wanting an excuse. Same goes for Australia, more excuses provided by ecological devastation inadvertantly introduced. Unfortunately ,I dont want everyone let off the hook. What we do as individuals we are responsible for. We deserve the credit or vilification that justifiably attends that. No more nor less. Nor do we deserve baggage based on the physical similarities we might share. I took no slaves nor subjugated any peoples nor even introduced exotic pests to Australia. I just wasnt involved. So I am not apologetic. I know damn well some folks want to lay that crap on someones doorstep , just dont leave it on mine.

 

And even that doesnt line up well.Im starting to find it amusing though to have been characterized as racist by someone outlining the cultural and biological reasons they conclude that white men are supposedly dominating the entire globe. From what Ive read , the biggest neanderthal contribution to homo lies in immunity factors , which supposedly set the stage for domination of the new world. Thats good news for someone wanting an excuse. Same goes for Australia, more excuses provided by ecological devastation inadvertantly introduced. Unfortunately ,I dont want everyone let off the hook. What we do as individuals we are responsible for. We deserve the credit or vilification that justifiably attends that. No more nor less. Nor do we deserve baggage based on the physical similarities we might share. I took no slaves nor subjugated any peoples nor even introduced exotic pests to Australia. I just wasnt involved. So I am not apologetic. I know damn well some folks want to lay that crap on someones doorstep , just dont leave it on mine.

 

And even that doesnt line up well.Im starting to find it amusing though to have been characterized as racist by someone outlining the cultural and biological reasons they conclude that white men are supposedly dominating the entire globe. From what Ive read , the biggest neanderthal contribution to homo lies in immunity factors , which supposedly set the stage for domination of the new world. Thats good news for someone wanting an excuse. Same goes for Australia, more excuses provided by ecological devastation inadvertantly introduced. Unfortunately ,I dont want everyone let off the hook. What we do as individuals we are responsible for. We deserve the credit or vilification that justifiably attends that. No more nor less. Nor do we deserve baggage based on the physical similarities we might share. I took no slaves nor subjugated any peoples nor even introduced exotic pests to Australia. I just wasnt involved. So I am not apologetic. I know damn well some folks want to lay that crap on someones doorstep , just dont leave it on mine.

 

[Stosh]

I dont know what thats supposed to mean. Ill just take it that you realize your smartypants comment about white people is bogus but youre sad that humanity is headed for a fall.

[voidisyinyang]

[Stosh]

Apology accepted.

[voidisyinyang]

[Karl]

Stop posting this crap. It's made by climate alarmists who are defining terms as they go along. The Earth was an Alien planet at the time of the dinosaurs-it wasn't a time of 'global warming'. It was a time when the Earth was warmer than it is now and cooler than when it was a molten ball of rock.

 

 

Saul Alinsky "he who controls the words controls the masses". The activists playbook.

Edited September 13, 2015 by Karl

[soaring crane]

Due to the wildly off-topic direction this thread has taken

(and the fact that it was started in Daoist Discussion in the first place, something I only noticed now)

it's being moved to Off Topic.

[Rara]

Personally it's one of the only ways to get fruit into me. Never been a big fan.

Fair enough

[Rara]

 

 

Due to the wildly off-topic direction this thread has taken

(and the fact that it was started in Daoist Discussion in the first place, something I only noticed now)

it's being moved to Off Topic.

Fair enough. Hehe.

[WIldCat]

Try drinking carbonated juice first. You are not only addicted to the sugar, but the caffeine and the additives. My brother is the same way. Once you stop, and try to drink it again, it is so bad. I haven't had any myself in 2 years.