Smoking

[Cameron]

I havent smoked in like 5 years but just having the strongest desire to smoke.

 

I don't want to just go buy a pack of Camel's or whatever.

 

Can someone please give some feedback what are the healthiest..least damaging ways to do tobacco. Any over the counter brands ok..or not so bad.

 

Just dying to smoke right now...

[sean]

Cigar. Or shisha in a hookah. Do you have shisha bars in Phoenix?

[Cameron]

Cigar. Or shisha in a hookah. Do you have shisha bars in Phoenix?

 

 

Probably..I don't want to sit in a club right now though..Sean what is like the best out of all the over the counter cigarettes? Or are they all shit?

[freesun]

I like the organic version of American Spirit tobacco (red package). Organically grown and no additives.

[sean]

Don't smoke cigarettes. They are so addictive. Get a Macanudo and sit outside and savor it without inhaling.

[Sunya]

fight the urge, you lasted 5 years why quit now?

[Cameron]

So..I smoked..a cigarette.

 

I went with Natural American Spirit. Which is 100% additive free natural Tobacco.

 

Cam

[林愛偉]

So..I smoked..a cigarette.

 

I went with Natural American Spirit. Which is 100% additive free natural Tobacco.

 

Cam

 

 

Don't smoke please! It is going to keep you on one level and you will not go any further.

Smoking keeps your sicknesses in the body, it doesn't matter if it is pure tobacco or with the over 4,000 chemicals.

 

Peace,

Lin

[Cameron]

Huh?

 

I guess numerous Native American Shamans..not to speak of numerous Japanese Zen Masters are low level then, huh?

 

 

 

I feel the need to smoke for now but will ask Sifu Max about it when I see him next month.

 

That's all.

[林愛偉]

Huh?

 

I guess numerous Native American Shamans..not to speak of numerous Japanese Zen Masters are low level then, huh?

I feel the need to smoke for now but will ask Sifu Max about it when I see him next month.

 

That's all.

 

 

haha Smoking is just not healthy at all. Just because Indians do it doesn't mean its okay for others to do it. And a Zen master smoking??? Regardless of what Max Shifu says, smoking only harms the body and energy.

 

People may call certain cultivators masters, but that doesn't mean that these masters are indeed...masters of anything at all. People tend to hype everything up, and the man they hype up sits and tries to fill the shoes. I have met many "masters" here in China and in the U.S. Unfortunately, they are subject to ignorant people who call a chicken a duck, just because the chicken wears duck's clothing.

 

 

 

Good luck. Common sense is, smoke will harm the body and energy and affect the mind. No getting around it. You have an addiction..drop the addiction and you will not have the desire to smoke.. on any level. Simple. No master who says smoking is alright is leading someone on the right path.

Sorry.. even if Buddha turns to me and says hey, smoke a cigarette, it helps reach bliss... I will by no means listen.

For one thing, a Buddha would not do that. So, I wouldn't be steered into that direction. A person who has abilities doesn't make them an authority on another's own common sense, logic and reason. Abilities may be high for some, but for those who have them, they are just child's play.

 

If one wants to attain real, actual pure enlightenment, everything you see and are addicted to, everything you feel so strong for.. let it go. No other way. No qigong will do it, no transmission of energy will do it... just simply let go.

Any desires for anything is a sign that one is not there yet.

 

Proper cultivation is not with intoxicants. End of story.

 

Peace and Blessings,

Lin

 

P.S.- I care about your cultivation, and am simply talking direct to you, not in anger, but in concern. Don't believe the hype too much, or you will get yourself confused.

Edited October 28, 2007 by 林愛偉

[ParkouRob]

I agree. Smoking is just another form of self - mutilation in my book but that is only when the individual in question knows about the biological reasons why it is so bad.

 

I guess native American Shamans for example would not have access to this information and so they would believe (consciously and subconsciously) it to be something good...which, arguably would limit the damaging effects of the act of smoking.

[林愛偉]

I agree. Smoking is just another form of self - mutilation in my book but that is only when the individual in question knows about the biological reasons why it is so bad.

 

I guess native American Shamans for example would not have access to this information and so they would believe (consciously and subconsciously) it to be something good...which, arguably would limit the damaging effects of the act of smoking.

 

It is very possible they never bothered to see whether it was good or not. Only use it as means to connect with spirits, ghosts, demons. Unlike the Indians, the Daoists had their own cultivation and didnot utilize outside methods to communicate with spirits. If they used a sword, horse tail whisk, wine, etc.. they had to have cultivation within them already, or nothing would work. Same with Buddhists.

 

The Indian's living conditions environment and mind were totally different from this world as we have it today, and every person on this planet as well.

 

One may get insights in deep concentration, but that is due to deep concentration. All the Indians weren't enlightened beings, they were just highly wise..but that is due to mental concentration, and overall Karma. They were more closer to the Earth and more aware of spirits than people in this world are today. THey recognized the influence spirits and deomns play on living beings, and knew how to recognize them.

Can anyone on this board do so without doubting themselves and their abilities?

Their living conditions, and mind were not the way the people of the world are now. It is totally flipped now a days. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

 

Smoking does make one more Yin. Smoke is almost equivalent to the Yin of spirit realm. So utilizing smoke, if the person doesn't have the abilities within them already, would give more of a chance to communicate with spirits, and even be influenced by them.

That doesn't make someone enlightened, only skillful in this method of communicating with spirits...lol

 

People actually believe what they see. Isn't that amazing?

 

Peace,

Lin

 

P.S.- Smoking is strictly a killer. Anti- Man

Edited October 28, 2007 by 林愛偉

[rain]

if you are like me, you could try to see what happens

when totally aware & not giving into the need.

the counterwave that comes through your body sometimes

brings the state which you desire.

 

thats what happened when i stopped smoking..

[林愛偉]

if you are like me, you could try to see what happens

when totally aware & not giving into the need.

the counterwave that comes through your body sometimes

brings the state which you desire.

 

thats what happened when i stopped smoking..

 

 

My mother had smoked, her father smoked, my father's father smoked , my elder sisters smoke one of which lives a life of confusion and the other ...pretty much the same, grandmother smoked. Only my father didn't smoke. From 9yrs old -20 yrs old I smoked. The day I turned 20, I put down the cigarettes for good, never went back.

 

Now I am in China... It is one Gigantic Cigarette.

 

Peace,

Lin

[ParkouRob]

People actually believe what they see. Isn't that amazing?

 

Yes! I love this Matrix-like argument about reality and perception. Reality is just determined by our senses and our perception of them. We could all just be some sort of elaborate experiment and the universe is a figurative petri-dish in which we reside! Lol. Anyway that is going off topic.

 

if you are like me, you could try to see what happens

when totally aware & not giving into the need.

the counterwave that comes through your body sometimes

brings the state which you desire.

 

thats what happened when i stopped smoking..

I have never smoked but that is like what happened when I stopped eating sucrose (which for those who don't know is a highly addictive drug like nicotine - though obviously not as potent). And afterwards you feel brilliant!

[minkus]

edit: Mz, seems you gotta be fast here o.O

 

Smoking tobacco (or anything else) is putting several substances in your body wich it doesnt know, it doesnt need a spiritually developed person to know these substances dont nourish the body, in contrary. Your body doesnt want them and gonna do alot of effort to clean it all out of your system.

 

This will take alot of energy for your body, energy that can be used for alot of other positive things. The cleaning organs of the body will be under more pressure, quick examples are the kidney's, the liver and the lungs.

 

Tobacco constricts the arteries and makes em less elastic, the same arteries that are used to transport blood with vital nutrients to all the organs in your body. The motor driving the blood is the heart, wich has to do more effort to pump the precious blood around.

 

I sound like the basic healthcare folder you find in every hospital or pharmacy but these are important organs all playing a role in energywork.

 

There are indians that smoke jungletobacco, sniff seeds, drink thea's from bark and are highly developed healers or priests although i dont know they also live longer and healthier that way.

 

If you passed on smoking for 5 years and smoked 1 cigarette now you still have a good chance to yust quit again although the urge will probably never go away.

 

Strongest person isnt the one that has control over other people, strongest is the one that has control over himself.

 

Dont think i wonna teach anyone a lesson, i also smoke my cigarette daily

 

 

 

 

cough

Edited October 28, 2007 by minkus

[ParkouRob]

I've heard drinking lots of water or wheatgrass is an excellent alternative and can help people cut down/stop?

Dunno how justified that is though..

[affenbrot]

there was another thread on smoking here a while ago, for anybody who missed the good info...

[宁]

there was another thread on smoking here a while ago, for anybody who missed the good info...

 

reminds me about the movie "Thank you for smoking"

 

my take: smoking really is a bridge to the Yin world, this is how I feel around people that smoke. the energy becomes yin, and it seems that the urge to smoke again is triggered by the entities that thrive on the pleasure derived from smoking...

 

someone said that smokers are just feeding "ghosts", and intoxicating others, both phisically and energetically

 

sorry

[Cameron]

I might be throwing this cigarette pack..what's left of it..in the garbage.

 

Will let you know.

[Cameron]

Wow,

 

I never realized how much Taomeow said about the benifits of tobacco here.

 

Taomeow can you give me some feedback here please? Do you think if I smoke a few of these Natural American Spirit smokes I will have problems with cultivation like Lin is saying?

 

I mean, I respect Lin, but my sense reading him lately is he is waaaaaaaaay on the religous Taoism trip..rather than shamanism. I mean, how can a real shaman be so anti-tobacco?

 

No disrespect Lin I am just a student learning here.

[宁]

I think she only wrote that ONLY to give people a different perspective on the same subject, that seems to be her game, and it's an interesting one. I doubt very much she would encourage smoking.

[sean]

The problem is that it's extraordinarily rare that people smoke just one or two cigarettes every now and then. You smoke a cigarette and think, ahh, not a big deal, I can take it or leave it. Soon you are smoking one or two per week. Then you start having a pack around the house and without realizing it you are smoking one every few days. Then something stressful in your life occurs and you smoke a few in one day. The next day you are craving them and you think, ahh, just until I get through this stressful situation.

 

Comparing smoking cigarettes to Native American peace pipe ceremony is false. This was a spiritual ceremony and the smoke was not inhaled. They puffed and blew the smoke in a ritualistic way. It was a ritual with significance. The "average Joe Indian" did not expect to be able to walk into the 7-11 and pick up a pack of smokes. The Native Americans did not have our lifestyles with easy access to rolled up tobacco and social examples of frequent daily smoking. They did not sit around smoking their pipes all day long.

 

You are seriously playing with fire. Nicotine is more addictive than heroin.

 

Sean

[林愛偉]

Wow,

 

I never realaized how much Taomeow said about the benifits of tobacco here.

 

Taomeow can you give me some feedback here please? Do you think if I smoke a few of these Natural American Spirit smokes I will have problems with cultivation like Lin is saying?

 

I mean, I respect Lin, but my sense reading him lately is he is waaaaaaaaay on the reliigous Taoism trip..rather than shamanism. I mean, how can real shaman be so anti-tobacco?

 

No disrespect Lin I am just a student learning here.

 

 

 

Actually... I am very un-religious, and my practices are old school. Meaning non-ceremonial and strictly intuitive based, strictly cultivation. In other words, just because one doesn't burn plants and smoke tobacco, doesn't mean they can't do what shamans who do burn things do.

 

There were warrior cultivators out in Africa and Jamaica who would put the Native Americans to shame in cultivation sense, and they would not touch cigarette smoke.. maybe some on a lower level would smoke weed..but that lower level to those who don't cultivate is a high level

 

One last thing my brother, I never brought any religious methods into this board. It just so happens that people form the idea of what religion means. And that itself is a big cause of a lot of problems.

 

On another note.. there is no good in cigarettes. It was formed for mass production to kill people. It is a good way to control people, make business to medical industries and cause people to remain deluded.

 

A “real shaman" will not hurt their body, and or put toxins in it . Their uses were only for rituals, not constant like today's habits.

 

When you can transform your body, then do what you like. We can get "shamanic " on this board, but I highly doubt such things will be understood. They must be experienced, and guided properly or one gets stuck in states and then.. crazy.

 

So, what images do we all have of "real shamans"? Leaf underwear, feathers, drums, dancing and yelling, chanting, trances, etc...? Is that what a Shaman is? A "real shaman?"

 

Those are only cultural methods. Tools are not as important as the cultivator. I know a Shaman in NY. He wear jeans and a t-shirt, sometimes shoes. A vegetarian, millionaire, doesn't smoke...a bit chubby, good talker, and sometimes commercialist, but only does so to give people an outlet to learn.

 

Don't screw up the body before it is transformed...afterwards, you drink what you will, smoke what you like...just don't expect there to be a desire or a function for them.

 

 

There is no excuse to put toxins in the body. I don't want to see you hurt yourself and your cultivation.

 

Here is something : When one starts getting high in cultivation, moving up, spirits, ghosts, demons crowd around them, follow them try to make them fall. They use any method the cultivator found themselves faulty in..addictions, emotions, memories, depression, food, sex, anything.

 

Is that a Shamanic problem or a Religious one? Shamanism, though very high in cultivation, is still not the ultimate. They can reach realms far beyond a normal person, and see that which ordinary people can't, but they are not ultimate. A great level they do reach, but not the highest. Not easy to reach that level and still be sane. Many tried but only few have the capacity to withstand the pressures, responsibility and karma of it.

 

Peace and Blessings My Brother.

I so deeply, and sincerely wish you to have a healthy body, attain enlightenment and continue from there.

 

 

Lin

Edited October 28, 2007 by 林愛偉

[rain]

My mother had smoked, her father smoked, my father's father smoked , my elder sisters smoke one of which lives a life of confusion and the other ...pretty much the same, grandmother smoked. Only my father didn't smoke. From 9yrs old -20 yrs old I smoked. The day I turned 20, I put down the cigarettes for good, never went back.

 

Now I am in China... It is one Gigantic Cigarette.

 

Peace,

Lin

 

 

 

 

Wow,

 

I never realized how much Taomeow said about the benifits of tobacco here.

 

Taomeow can you give me some feedback here please? Do you think if I smoke a few of these Natural American Spirit smokes I will have problems with cultivation like Lin is saying?

 

I mean, I respect Lin, but my sense reading him lately is he is waaaaaaaaay on the religous Taoism trip..rather than shamanism. I mean, how can a real shaman be so anti-tobacco?

 

No disrespect Lin I am just a student learning here.

 

you was talking about needing,

not smoking

 

the shaman smokes

but does he need to?