Karl Posted October 5, 2015 I must add a short book review to add perspective. Perkins book is recommended in libertarian circles but should be considered problematical due to his faulty theory and misunderstanding of capitalism. https://mises.org/library/hit-man-confesses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted October 6, 2015 It can be overwhelming at times Ell. It is a crazy, crazy system... behind the curtain, a whole other world going on that people in general haven't the faintest idea about. I'd recommend the Ringing Cedars of Russia as a bright vision/ inspiration for creating a new beautiful world/ true civilization. We have to get away from these economic models, taxation, exploitation etc creating a new value system that doesn't give itself to this insanity but to higher expressions/ wisdom/ understanding, self reliance and harmony with Nature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 6, 2015 It can be overwhelming at times Ell. It is a crazy, crazy system... behind the curtain, a whole other world going on that people in general haven't the faintest idea about. I'd recommend the Ringing Cedars of Russia as a bright vision/ inspiration for creating a new beautiful world/ true civilization. We have to get away from these economic models, taxation, exploitation etc creating a new value system that doesn't give itself to this insanity but to higher expressions/ wisdom/ understanding, self reliance and harmony with Nature. That's called the non aggression principle. Essentially don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. The right to defend your own property and to voluntarily associate freely and peacefully with whoever you wish. It's not really a new value system we need, just get rid of the idea we need rulers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted October 6, 2015 The following nine words are just words; agency, bank, central, complex, federal, industrial, intelligence, military, reserve yet they become menacing for me when assembled in the following order. central intelligence agency federal reserve bank military industrial complex menacing and saddening 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) That's called the non aggression principle. Essentially don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. The right to defend your own property and to voluntarily associate freely and peacefully with whoever you wish. It's not really a new value system we need, just get rid of the idea we need rulers. The new value system (as a society) would be like, people value physical health, family, friends, environment, ethics more than possessions/ materialism. That being intelligent, thoughtful/ ethical etc is cooler than driving a Lamborghini etc That being physically healthy is cooler than a 500$ suit etc. Hm more about who we are than what we own etc. Edited October 7, 2015 by Sionnach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 7, 2015 The new value system (as a society) would be like, people value physical health, family, friends, environment, ethics more than possessions/ materialism. That being intelligent, thoughtful/ ethical etc is cooler than driving a Lamborghini etc That being physically healthy is cooler than a 500$ suit etc. Hm more about who we are than what we own etc. Why not let people choose what they value ? That is the way of peace, freedom and love. Imposing values on others is the way of violent oppression and hatred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leth Posted October 7, 2015 Why not let people choose what they value ? That is the way of peace, freedom and love. Imposing values on others is the way of violent oppression and hatred. Some people chose to value violence and opression. Surely we need to educate people aswell. Which is in fact a way of saying that we need a new value system, because today violence and opression is part of our value system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Some people chose to value violence and opression. Surely we need to educate people aswell. Which is in fact a way of saying that we need a new value system, because today violence and opression is part of our value system. 'we need to educate people' 'We need a new value system' Implicit in those statements is the use of force. I've discovered that these sort of edicts generally indicate the proposes need for the state to make this happen. They believe people must be forced to see the error of their ways and be forced to adopt a value system that the state decrees is the right one. People must be educated by the state to ensure they accept this ideology without question. Oops. That's exactly what we have today. If this is what you mean, then you are parroting the same old hierarchical systems -democratic, collectivist, totalitarian, tyrannical, communist, fascist, Royal-that have existed for over 5000 years. If you always do what you always did, then you will always get what you always had. Even Nazism began with the ideology of nature conservation, no animal cruelty, vegetarianism, shared wealth, ending the supposed greed of capitalism, mutual respect, sexual equality, preventing religious extremism, bodily purity and health. Edited October 7, 2015 by Karl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
