Where did you learn Microcosmic Orbit ? (Books, DVDs, schools, teachers)

[E. S. A.]

It is my understanding that at the truth of things the MCO is meant to arise as something experienced naturally through one's training. Not the sole purpose or intent of one's training. We don't go into it trying to produce an MCO or we will likely end up just creating illusory sensations. The Dao turns itself. 

[JohnC]

On 9/8/2020 at 2:39 PM, freeform said:

There are hundreds of YJJ exercise sets. The Chinese government have come up with their own standardised sets too.

 

In general these are just gentle stretching routines, yes. 
 

But stretching is great!

 

The reason there could be hundreds of sets claiming to be YJJ is because YJJ  is not really a set of exercises, but a certain attainment that can be achieved through many different exercises. 
 

I’ve been taught “YJJ” by many teachers. But only a couple showed what it really is - and only after being accepted into a closed group.
 

Even a very accomplished teacher from the Shaolin tradition said that the real methods are never taught any longer (except behind closed doors within certain groups) - it’s all extremely secretive in Asia. People have become multi millionaires from developing Qi emission skills through the use of YJJ (primarily). It’s a very closely guarded secret.

 

I can tell you that much of my own development that I described has been due to correct use of the YJJ principles. 
 

I’m sure Robert Peng knows the genuine YJJ - because the Yang Qi emission (the electric shocks he’s famed for) is developed through YJJ.
 

I doubt he teaches the real thing online though... I remember you talking about use of visualisation and tensing/squeezing - that screams of ‘simplified for westerners’ type of crap I’m afraid.

 

Maybe he has students that can do it? I haven’t heard of that being the case.
 

But Peng certainly uses the skill to heal the upper echelons of society though - heads of state and all kinds of celebrities  

 

Peng developed his electric shock qi emission due to the nature of his qi. He writes on this in his book, and that it manifested through his MCO training with Xiao Yao.

 

I don't think he is about being deceptive to his students and teaching watered down teachings, just like I don't think Chun Yi lin is into that as well. In fact, Master Lin has specifically spoken on that the small universe he teaches, is the core of his practice and that there aren't further secrets, just more nuance that you develop through practice.

 

He does speak on that there are higher level practices that wont work till you develop to the point that you can practice them, and he teaches those as you reach those levels.

 

I think both him and Robert Peng teach the same way.

[anshino23]

@JohnC: 

 

Perhaps Peng recognises that most will never reach that stage, and therefore he does not teach it publically. 

 

In any case, I always heard from Master Nan Huai Chin and the Lotus Sutra's understanding is that you can always use expedient means - or as freeform's main teacher called it 'social taiji' - you don't exactly "lie", but you don't exactly say the whole truth either. Usually because those you are teaching do not have the merit to hear or learn the actual secrets or deeper understandings (layers). If Peng did meet such a student, I'm not necessarily sure he would be open about it  

 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, anshino23 said:

Perhaps Peng recognises that most will never reach that stage, and therefore he does not teach it publically. 

Could be.

My points is that I don't think he is withholding anything that would support the development of students to their full potential or watering anything down.

Edited December 10, 2020 by JohnC

[freeform]

On 10/12/2020 at 5:24 PM, JohnC said:

I don't think he is about being deceptive to his students and teaching watered down teachings

 

 @anshino23  is quitre right about 'expedient means'

 

You can’t give the whole truth in one go...

 

Imagine walking into your first ever physics lesson and being told our most up to date understanding of the nature of reality - and jump right into Quantum Mechanics.

 

Not revealing the whole truth is not necessarily deceptive. It's practical and pragmatic. Daoism is a path - not a theory. The nuances of understanding increase as you progress down the path.

 

In many ways Daoism is as complex and nuanced as physics... you certainly won't get 'the whole truth' in a workshop... or even in 5 workshops per year. Think how long it takes to become a 'physicist'...

 

For Daoism its a lifetime study and inner development.

 

Of course I can't be sure how Peng developed his abilities - but I've met dozens of people that do exactly the same thing - and I know how they've done it - and it's not as simple as just MCO. And I can tell you that the MCO is not nearly as simple as Chunyi Lin presents it either... But think of these as your first ever physics lesson - it's presented simply for a reason.

[silent thunder]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:18 AM, E. S. A. said:

It is my understanding that at the truth of things the MCO is meant to arise as something experienced naturally through one's training. Not the sole purpose or intent of one's training. We don't go into it trying to produce an MCO or we will likely end up just creating illusory sensations. The Dao turns itself. 

This is almost verbatim how it was explained to me, by two different 18th generation lineage holders.

 

[JohnC]

On 12/12/2020 at 6:47 AM, freeform said:

And I can tell you that the MCO is not nearly as simple as Chunyi Lin presents it either... But think of these as your first ever physics lesson - it's presented simply for a reason.

I agree that your understanding does unfold as you develop in capacity and capability.

 

I'm also saying that the practice he is presenting is the one that he practices. Which is what he says, and continues to reiterate when people come to him and ask for the secret hidden practices.

 

There are additional supplementary practices, to bring in different energies of planets and such, but those are introduced as you are ready and need them. And you should always go back to the core practice.

 

The practice he teaches publicly, is the core and engine of the lineage.

No hiding.

Edited December 14, 2020 by JohnC