Is the earth round/spherical?

[thelerner]

hmm, looks like if you travel south from South America (Chile) you hit the Antarctic then heading further south either hit a giant ice wall or fall off the Earth. 

 

Aren't flat Earthers curious to look over the edge?  Mount an expedition to the edge of the world?   It wouldn't be that expensive, not like going to moon.  Bet they could pull it off for less then $100,000 $200,000.   Rent a plane, fly south, then they could bundle up and walk or get a snow mobile or dogs, take pictures as they look over the side. 

 

Come back with proof that they are right.  Proof positive that NASA and all the world's governments have been hiding a 100,000+ mile super snow wall and/or edge of the earth for the past couple millennia. 

 

Cheaper still, there are airlines that have tours that fly over the Antarctic, they could buy a ticket on one of those and bring there cameras. 

Edited October 18, 2015 by thelerner

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Surrounded by a wall of ice. Not so easy "The Antarctic Treaty was signed in Washington on 1 December 1959 by the twelve countries whose scientists had been active in and around Antarctica during the International Geophysical Year (IGY) of 1957-58. It entered into force in 1961 and has since been acceded to by many other nations. The total number of Parties to the Treaty is now 53. "  Need permission of a kind... seems to be one of the few things all these governments agree on? hah



 

[Nungali]

Let's take something as simple as pooping. 

 

Conventionally, people use toilets. However, sitting down on a toilet and pooping actually creates a kink in the intestine and is not efficient. 

 

If squatting when pooping, there is no kink created and it is much more healthy, efficient, effective, etc.

 

Want to replace all the toilets in the world? Most people would just change their own routine. 

 

Conventional understanding is sometimes just "convenient" understanding.

 

 

Ohhh ... I see now ... thats why the Earth is round  ( or not round )   .

[Nungali]

I wish  to lodge a protest, on behalf of all downunderers , regarding the clear hemisphereism evident in this picture 

 

 

[Nungali]

Surrounded by a wall of ice. Not so easy "The Antarctic Treaty was signed in Washington on 1 December 1959 by the twelve countries whose scientists had been active in and around Antarctica during the International Geophysical Year (IGY) of 1957-58. It entered into force in 1961 and has since been acceded to by many other nations. The total number of Parties to the Treaty is now 53. "  Need permission of a kind... seems to be one of the few things all these governments agree on? hah

 

 

 

I can see a spooky face in your 'ice wall' 

[Taomeow]

 

 

Why is the symbol for the UN the picture of the Flat Earth? 

with a hole at the pole?..

handcuffed with wheat stalks?..

What do they know that we aren't being told?..

Edited October 18, 2015 by Taomeow

[Michael Sternbach]

So, if the Earth isn't spherical, how do you explain the Sun (and all other celestial bodies) rising and setting at different times as seen from different places, please? In other words, the time zones. And that these exist I know from personal experience, i.e. from talking to people in other time zones by phone or Skype.

[soaring crane]

So, if the Earth isn't spherical, how do you explain the Sun (and all other celestial bodies) rising and setting at different times as seen from different places, please? In other words, the time zones. And that these exist I know from personal experience, i.e. from talking to people in other time zones by phone or Skype.

 

In fact, if the Earth weren't a sphere, rotating on its own axis and travelling around another sphere, the length of days would vary wildly from area to area. But the time zones, seasons, and differences in daylight hours from pole to pole are consistent with exactly the model that is being argued here. 

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Why is the symbol for the UN the picture of the Flat Earth? 

with a hole at the pole?..

handcuffed with wheat stalks?..

What do they know that we aren't being told?..

hmmm... wheat stalks... interesting...

 

they say olive branches, looks more like wheat though

Edited October 18, 2015 by Sionnach

[thelerner]

Without flattening the globe, how else do you show all the nations?  It was designed (corrected actually) so no particular nation got top billing.  Speaking of which, why would an organization put there evil plans on there logo?   Seems counter productive.  Odds are they took a look at dozens of logos and chose that one for its symbolism. 

 

Course if you have problems with that flag, you should see World Health Organization, they're the same except for the giant serpent (caduceus?) hanging out in the middle.

 

Symbolism in the UN Flag  http://www.buzzle.com/articles/the-united-nations-flag.html

The light blue color is perhaps the most striking feature of the UN flag. The single background color is different from many national flags, which frequently use bars or stripes of different colors..  The light blue was chosen because it was taken to be the opposite of red, the color most commonly representing war. This underscores the UN's peacekeeping mission.

Olive Branches and the Prime Meridian

The symbolism of the pictorial elements of the UN flag is fairly straightforward and obvious. The globe represents all the nations and people of the world, indicating the UN's all-inclusive internationalism, and olive branches are a well-known symbol of peace. Although the original proposed design placed North America in a prominent position in the map projection, the design was soon amended so that no country or continent would be more prominent on the map than any other. Instead, the prime meridian and ante-meridian are aligned with the center of the map.

Peace and Internationalism in the Global Community

All the elements of the UN flag combine to create a symbol of peace and internationalism which represents the international community. However, it could easily be argued that this flag does not do an adequate job of representing the human family at large. For one thing, the two-color design, although it gives an impression of unity and of a single purpose, does not do justice to the diversity of the world's nations, or to the dynamism of human history. As a permanent symbol of the United Nations, however, the flag is both striking, appropriate, and easily recognizable, making it, on the whole, a great success.
Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/the-united-nations-flag.html

 

Come See Antarctica, Journey to the Edge of the World- Well, Southern part any how.

 

Yes, its protected, the governments didn't want an arms race there and to a lesser degree to spoil a fragile ecosystem.  But there are a dozen cruises that go there (http://wikitravel.org/en/Antarctica) There are airlines that go there.  There are several airports.   There are commercial hikes that go through there.  Nations and universities are constantly getting permission to do research there.  In this day and age it still a very dangerous place, but its no 'forbidden planet'- you wanna go there and have the money, you can fly, hike or cruise there. 

http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/antarctic/expeditions/antarctic-express-crossing-the-circle?gclid=CjwKEAjwho2xBRD0mpzUvsya6SgSJAAkRepSeFUroyKmcd_dePJQ6WHZvAgVTF7Xxm0WR__0xo50ixoCUKPw_wcB
10 or 11 days

A short, comfortable flight from Punta Arenas, Chile, to King George Island in Antarctica has you with boots on the ground, overtaken by the sheer magnitude of the Seventh Continent. Fully immersed in the Antarctic environment, you’ll experience a roller coaster of emotions, from excitement to awe, from exquisite solitude to incredible gratitude for the wonder of it all.

 

http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/l.

 

The World's Most Unique Day Tour    Antarctica In A Day  Sightseeing Flights over Antarctica from Australia

We operate one day sightseeing flights over Antarctica departing from Australia every summer. Taking around 12 hours the flights are the easiest way to view this great white Continent. No passports are needed and you are kept warm and safe with a glass in hand while our privately chartered Qantas 747 glides effortlessly over amazing scenery.

 

addon> Science is interesting, looking further into Antarctica, through scientists, geologists and explorers you discover it was part of the super continent Gondwana (Around 200 million years ago, Antarctica was joined with Australia, Africa, South America, India and New Zealand in the supercontinent Gondwana http://www.lonelyplanet.com/antarctica/history).  Over millions of years the continents themselves separated. 

also from Lonely Planet- http://www.lonelyplanet.com/antarctica/history

The ancients

Antarctica, unlike any other continent, was postulated to exist long before it was actually discovered. The ancient Greeks, beginning with Pythagoras in about 530 BC, believed the earth to be round. Aristotle supported and refined the idea, suggesting that the symmetry of a sphere demanded that the earth’s inhabited northern region should be balanced by an equally inhabited – or, at least, inhabitable – southern region. Without it, the top-heavy globe might tumble over. This idea of earthly balance gave rise to the name we give the southern continent today: Antarktos, or ‘opposite Arktos, ’ the constellation in the northern sky. In Egypt Ptolemy agreed that geographical equilibrium required an unknown southern continent, but he believed the unknown land would be populated and fertile. A map he drew c AD 150 showed a large continent linking Africa and Asia.

 

Two factors conspired, however, against anyone going to look for this mysterious undiscovered continent. First, ancient thinkers as far back as Parmenides (460 BC) believed that between the earth’s two temperate regions would be found a zone of fire and perhaps even monsters. This may have been wisdom somehow gleaned from an early traveler who had experienced a tropical summer. This torrid zone was thought to be impassable and deadly. If mortal fear was not enough to dissuade would-be discoverers, perhaps eternal damnation did the trick, for the Catholic Church found the idea of a southern continent – with its own population, and thus its own separate relationship with God – unacceptable. The idea that the Creator could possibly have made two sets of humanity was deemed heretical, and the flat-earth theory was given full backing.

 

Intrepid voyagers nevertheless pushed back the boundaries of their known worlds. As early as 700 BC, the Greek historian Herodotus records, a Phoenician fleet sailed from the Red Sea south along the African coast and around Cape Agulhas to the Strait of Gibraltar. This incredible voyage was not to be repeated for nearly 2000 years. In AD 650, according to Rarotongan legend, a Polynesian navigator named Ui-te-Rangiora sailed so far south that he reached a place where the sea was frozen. These voyages were neither repeated nor widely known, however, and it was not until late in the 15th century that further progress was made on answering the question of Antarctica.

 

Well worth reading for a history of Antarctic. It (& the North pole) was the 19th centuries Moon race.  None of the explorers from multiple countries, from the 1700's to yesterday, hiking and mapping ever made it to the mythical edge of the world.  Not because they were part of conspiracies, but because we're on a globe and Antarctic though indeed lightly traveled has been well mapped and explored. 

 

___ Physical Map of Antarctica About Antarctica
Map is showing the Antarctic circle and the continent of Antarctica with a land area of 14 million km² (280,000 km² ice-free, 13.72 million km² ice-covered), so Antarctica is almost twice the size of Australia (7,617,930 km²), it is the world's fifth-largest continent in area, after Asia, Africa, North America, and South America (see the Americas).

Not quite in the center of Antarctica is the South Pole, by convention it is the southernmost point on the surface of the Earth (wherever you would go from here you would go north, somehow). The South Pole is also one of the endpoints of Earth's rotation axis. The South Pole is not really a fixed point, simply because Earth is rotating slightly off-center, our planet 'wobbles' a tiny little bit, scientists call this behavior the Polar motion, it is the movement of Earth's rotational axis across its 'surface', and - the deflection is just a few meters.

The nearest countries to Antarctica are South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Chile and Argentina.

On Antarctica there are no cities or villages, 98% of the continent is covered by ice.

The map shows also the location of scientific research stations operated by various countries on the continent.

You are free to use this map for educational purposes, please refer to the Nations Online Project.
 



All Countries of the World
   
Physical Map of Antarctica

 

 

<add on Tristan is the nearest inhabitable island and its 1200 miles away.  Fascinating place  (according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha)

 

Here are some notes about an amazing part of the world:

The islands have a population of 297.^[36] The main settlement is Edinburgh of the Seven Seas (known locally as "The Settlement"). The only religion is Christianity, with denominations of Anglican and Roman Catholic. The current population is thought to have descended from 15 ancestors, eight males and seven females, who arrived on the island at various times between 1816 and 1908. The male founders originated from Scotland, England, The Netherlands, the United States and Italy, belonging to 3 Y-haplogroups: I (M170), R-SRY10831.2 and R (M207) (xSRY10831.2)^[37] and share just eight surnames: Glass, Green, Hagan, Lavarello, Patterson, Repetto, Rogers, and Swain.

 

economy.. is based on the principles set out by William Glass in 1817 when he established a settlement based on equality. All Tristan families are farmers, owning their own stock and/or fishing. All land is communally owned. All households have plots of land at The Patches on which they grow potatoes. Livestock numbers are strictly controlled to conserve pasture and to prevent better-off families from accumulating wealth. 

 

Healthcare is funded by the government, undertaken by one resident doctor from South Africa and five nurses. Surgery or facilities for complex childbirth are therefore limited, and emergencies can necessitate communicating with passing fishing vessels

 

Me> back to OP, communication is done by internet which uses satellites; its expensive and often done at an internet cafe.  Note this means, its bouncing signals off a satellite, in space, not smoke signals or cables.  To me this means our species has reached a technological milestone and that we know the fucking shape of the planet we're on.  

 

 

Edited October 18, 2015 by thelerner

[thelerner]

Just to show I'm as anal as anyone else here, let me put put this down.  Weather satellites, watch the news you see there pictures, looking down at the Earth recording the weather.  They're circling the earth constantly bringing us pictures and have for decades.  I can plug them into my Skymap app and find them, literally see them (easier with binoculars) and dozens of others crossing the sky.  They are man made.  Created using the engineering and physics that shown man the true shape of the Earth for a 1,000 years. 

 

We don't have to be primitives relying on iron age religious manuals.  We've got science and its fruits, engineering, physics, chemistry.  They are not easy or intuitive, but they produce workable models that allow the modern world, with electricity, computers, refrigerators, agriculture to exist.

 

http://www.noaa.gov/satellites.html

Satellites

When you watch the news and see pictures of weather from around the United States or the world, you are seeing data from NOAA’s environmental satellites. NOAA’s environmental satellites provide data from space to monitor the Earth to analyze the coastal waters, relay life-saving emergency beacons, and track tropical storms and hurricanes.

 

NOAA operates two types of satellite systems for the United States - geostationary satellites and polar-orbiting satellites.  Geostationary satellites constantly monitor the Western Hemisphere from around 22,240 miles above the Earth, and polar-orbiting satellites circle the Earth and provide global information from 540 miles above the Earth.

 

Satellites enable us to provide consistent, long-term observations, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  They track fast breaking storms across “Tornado Alley” as well as tropical storms in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.  Data from satellites are used to measure the temperature of the ocean, which is a key indicator of climate change.  Satellite information is used to monitor coral reefs, harmful algal blooms, fires, and volcanic ash.  Monitoring the Earth from space helps us understand how the Earth works and affects much of our daily lives.  A listing of all satellite products is available on the website of NOAA's Satellite and Information Service.

 

NOAA's satellites provide other services beyond just imaging the Earth.  Monitoring conditions in space and solar flares from the sun help us understand how conditions in space affect the Earth.  Satellites also relay position information from emergency beacons to help save lives when people are in distress on boats, airplanes, or in remote areas.  Scientists also use a data collection system on the satellites to relay data from transmitters on the ground to researchers in the field.

 

Historical data from our satellites, and other air-based and ground-based observation platforms, is archived for public use at NOAA’s world-class national data centers.

Edited October 18, 2015 by thelerner

[Marblehead]

Well, I just checked and my world is still more-or-less round.  I hope no one pokes a pin into it and it goes flat.

[Taomeow]

In The Little Prince, which I read when I was just under 4, a Turkish astronomer discovers the little prince's asteroid in 1909 and presents his report to the International Astronomical Congress, which promptly laughs him off the podium because he is dressed in Turkish costume.  After a while, a Turkish dictator makes a law that everyone must wear only English costume, under penalty of death.  The astronomer puts on a two-piece suit and tie and presents his findings again -- and the Congress applauds him.  I loved the book and made a lifelong note of this passage. 

 

Why believe ancient "myths" over modern science?  Because ancient myths were not peer reviewed in this manner. 

 

Why symbols that mean "evil plans" (which no one brought up, incidentally, Thelerner -- what are you hearing instead of what is being said I wonder?..) have to be in full view?  They must be, no way around it -- otherwise they have no intended impact on the perceiver's unconscious.  They also have to be everywhere so the conscious mind is desensitized to their presence and ignores them.  Every hypnotist knows that the only way to penetrate the subject's unconscious successfully is to distract his conscious mind.  Every stage magician knows how to hide what he's really doing in plain sight. 

 

And scientifically speaking, absolutely the same observable effects that are cited as proof of the earth's roundness can be explained by a totally different paradigm -- e.g. the square earth set in round heaven, if you don't insist on freezing the picture and phase in the motion (of huge objects at neck-breaking speeds) as the torsion theory and the taoist time-inclusive (sic) space studies both suggest.  The ancient Chinese lunisolar calendar (the Farmers' Almanac) based on this model is much more accurate, and much better predictive of weather patterns (among other things) than our weather balloons.  The calculations based on this model allowed the enormous and magnificent fleet of Admiral Zheng He to visit every continent, discover America, and start the Renaissance in Europe -- in all likelihood also granting the Spanish royal house the map later used by Columbus.  I say, have more respect for human genius that went before weapons of mass instruction, it was neither feeble nor feckless contrary to what our self-appointed superior minds are taught in school.  Don't buy everything they are selling to the masses or you'll trade the isle of Manhattan for a handful of shiny, perefectly round beads every single time.            

Edited October 18, 2015 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

 

Why is the symbol for the UN the picture of the Flat Earth? 

with a hole at the pole?..

handcuffed with wheat stalks?..

What do they know that we aren't being told?..

 

 

Because the north pole is an ice mass and not a nation, country or even land form .

 

More to the point

 

why is the symbol of the UN a UFO's gunsight ?  ... they need to aim to the left a bit .

[Brian]

I wish to lodge a protest, on behalf of all downunderers , regarding the clear hemisphereism evident in this picture

 

 

Evidently, you are imaginary. It is clear from that map that "Down Under" doesn't exist.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait. Is that little squished-up thing near the ice-wall where you live? Can you see the ice-wall from your house?

[Brian]

<snip>

Speaking of which, why would an organization put there evil plans on there logo?

<snip>

 

It is actually a requirement. Can't remember whether it is taught in Introduction to Super-Villainry or Evil Villain 101 but there's a regulation stipulating that all evil schemes must be telegraphed. Next chapter, IIRC, states that inescapable demises must be explained in detail and inadequately searched "heroes" must then be left alone.

[soaring crane]

It is actually a requirement. Can't remember whether it is taught in Introduction to Super-Villainry or Evil Villain 101 but there's a regulation stipulating that all evil schemes must be telegraphed. Next chapter, IIRC, states that inescapable demises must be explained in detail and inadequately searched "heroes" must then be left alone.

 

Mwuuahaahaahaaaaa....

[Taomeow]

OK, final verdict on the matter.

 

The earth is definitely round by majority of votes.  It is quite possibly round in actuality (if you stick with Euclidean geometry).  And it's most decisively populated by  98% sheep, 1% wolves, 1% cats.  

[Nungali]

Evidently, you are imaginary. It is clear from that map that "Down Under" doesn't exist.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait. Is that little squished-up thing near the ice-wall where you live? Can you see the ice-wall from your house?

 

Only if you climb that hill over there and get up on that big cross. 

 

The map does explain one thing though .....   why it took so long for me to ride from Perth to Sydney ... here I was thinking it was due to the fact that I was on a 15 year old Honda CB 250 . 

 

Not many people know this, but if you cross that ice wall at the right place, a land beyond exists , within Antarctica that is dry and has no ice or snow .... except for some glassy frozen lakes .   A few people have explored it. 

 

 

 

 

 

... Let's go down to that lake ....

 

 

 

[Nungali]

OK, final verdict on the matter.

 

The earth is definitely round by majority of votes.  It is quite possibly round in actuality (if you stick with Euclidean geometry).  And it's most decisively populated by  98% sheep, 1% wolves, 1% cats.  

 

 

    -   Excuse me ?     We not all sheep

[Brian]

<I don't want to be an individual!>

[Brian]

Only if you climb that hill over there and get up on that big cross. 

 

The map does explain one thing though .....   why it took so long for me to ride from Perth to Sydney ... here I was thinking it was due to the fact that I was on a 15 year old Honda CB 250 . 

 

Not many people know this, but if you cross that ice wall at the right place, a land beyond exists , within Antarctica that is dry and has no ice or snow .... except for some glassy frozen lakes .   A few people have explored it. 

 

 

 

 

 

... Let's go down to that lake ....

 

 

 

Yikes!

[Taomeow]

 

    -   Excuse me ?     We not all sheep

 

Depends on who you ask.  In Chinese, e.g., it's the same word, no distinction. 

[Nungali]

Pfffmp  !   Bluh  ... bluh ....    no distinction ! ? 

 

No distinction between a goat and sheep ?   How long has this civilization been around ?

 

You mean to tell me they never discovered if you put a goat or two in each heard of sheep, the average intelligence of the herd goes up 300% ? 

 

< Opens gate into new paddock with fresh green grass - all the sheep run the other way and crash into the fence    - puts a goat in with them, opens the gate again, goat runs in and starts eating the grass - sheep follow .   .... I am serious !  >

 

Besides ....? ? ?  .... 'WTF' ?    ;

 

" Hey Chen !  Bring over that white sheep  .....  no the white  sheep  ... no ... that sheep that is a bit taller and less wooley with the straighter horns ....   

 

..... one of those 'smart sheep ' !

 

( I couldn't resist throwing that last phrase in    )

 

 

and furthermore 

 

I will have you know I will never   accept being called a sheep, being treated as a sheep or acting like a sheep .... 

 

If you knew me ... you would know  I am a goat  

 

 

Edited October 20, 2015 by Nungali

[Taomeow]

Well, of course, if you look closely, sheep and goats are not the same -- why even not all sheep are the same.  Some are special.