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[SonOfTheGods]

Yes, I should have made clear that I was speaking from the perspective of a mere mortal. You're in a whole other category here. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing you performing a deep horse stance. Do yo do it often? For how long?

 

I used to do a wide range of stances.

 

In my younger years (I'll be 54 in January) I'd hold it for an hour.

 

These days, I do mostly Full Lotus- throughout the day if I am on the computer, and about 3 to 4 hours of cultivation, daily.

 

But I also do standing active gongs, one I made up of a horse stance in San Ti postion (breaking parallel)

 

I've found WeiGong does enough for me, so horse stance isn't necessary anymore

[Brian]

No, that was my point.

 

If reincarnation is real, it is climbing a mountain of life times to procure experience, lessons learned, suffering, virtue, patience, integrity, merit, trust, endurance, love and enlightnment.

 

Just acquiring power without all of those is impossible.

 

But some believe that is it posisble, thus the myths of spiteful gods playing chess with humans.

^^^Perhaps not entirely impossible in the short-term but pointless, self-defeating and a path to madness.

[JinlianPai]

Horse stance can be done differently depending on the art your doing.

 

If your art is fire based then you would want to do a deep horse stance.

If it is heaven based a high horse stance.

 

and so forth.

 

You see every style of kung fu works with a different force in the bagua.

 

 

When the kung fu master adjusts your stance he is actually attuning you to this force.

 

So your building up the right type of force.

Edited November 29, 2015 by JinlianPai

[Infolad1]

Hi infolad 1

 

It is funny you know and I'm sure many have heard this before. When one is young, and I started when I was young and now I am old, one has many realisations about what one has done, what one is doing etc. Having learn't and practiced thirteen different styles of Martial art and all these styles the forms are over 150 moves long in one long dance like form, I have come to realise that the very reason the ancient masters invented these forms were for many a reason. It wasn't only because they imitated animals or other forces primarily, because it could have been organised in a different way. It wasn't solely to give the potential warrior internal strength, nor great cardio vascular capacity, but the changing stances, the twisting, the turning, the jumping was all about creating a core and a body that was adaptable and able to change very quickly from one thing to another. If one was to do bench presses for exercise, one would develop those muscles in that way; very useful for bench pressing but not for anything else. Horse stance is good to make you strong, but it is only a tiny part of stance work that creates that flexible and powerful core that a martial artist needs. So why bother with just horse stance, is it not just like bench pressing when we have available so many other stances and ways to move? I remember when I was young taking on the attitude that to hold horse stance for along time was going to be good for me. Well in some respects it was, but in others it was only a small fraction of what I should be doing and then I realised that the more I practiced the exhausting long forms the better it was for me. So no more sitting in horse stance, only temporarily while doing part of an external qigong or martial form, because I was practicing it  stationary and it was not invented to be a stationary stance. It was invented to be a stance that goes from one to the other without sometimes the stance even being noticed that it was there. My point is horse stance is ok, but it is only a small part of a very rich picture which contains yin, yang and the five elements that have been invented for the entire body conditioning, unlike the bench press.

 

I am cautious in what I teach I have seen some bad and funny reactions particularly to some kinds of qigong and I know from my own practice how effective it can be. Qigong is for health and wellbeing, if it has adverse affects on people because of their body type or internal weaknesses, then one has to change it and be aware.

Older my Friend, never old. 

 

I hit the 5-0 next year. From my view, you definitely get more Introspective about 

processes, and tend to cut away the excess fat of things.

 

So you get the same effect, but from a more dynamic endurance standpoint. Got it.

 

Just two sides of the same path. That's cool. As I said, we do our Tai Chi Quan forms

as standing postures also.

 

Standing postures, plural, are highly effective. I apologize If It came across as if I was

just advocating one standing posture, that was not my Intent.

 

These practices are a multi-faceted jewel, with various levels, Intents, & effects on our

gross physical, mental, and spiritual faculties. It's never about being myopic about these things.

I'm glad to see that you're not. 

 

Bench press analogy Is a good one. I primarily do bodyweight exercises at this point,

to develop 360 degree strength, not just along one plane. Incorrect pressing is how

a lot of lifters destroy their shoulders, in addition to not working the rotator cuff muscles,

and lifting too heavy.

 

I agree. You have to be ever mindful of people, and their differences. It's always about

the people you help first, versus what you may, or may not want to do. I held off doing 

any standing movements with my senior group for over a year, until I could see that they 

made enough progress to do so. With all of that, I still only have them stand for a couple

of minutes at a time. We've gotten great results. I have one member that now does standing

postures out In her yard , when it's warm. She raves about the positive effects on her

health to the other women, so some of them are beginning to practice more often.

it's a wonderful thing to see.

 

Cheers!

[Infolad1]

Horse stance can be done differently depending on the art your doing.

 

If your art is fire based then you would want to do a deep horse stance.

If it is heaven based a high horse stance.

 

and so forth.

 

You see every style of kung fu works with a different force in the bagua.

 

 

When the kung fu master adjusts your stance he is actually attuning you to this force.

 

So your building up the right type of force.

Good point JinlianPai.

 

Great Image. Love Bagua, both the style, and the astrological system.

 

Another point I was taught years ago, Is that it also depends on where the style was founded.

 

Some folks fought on boats, so they favored a low stance.

 

Some fought people on horseback, so high stance, and a style with lots of kicks.

 

The origins of these various styles is a fascinating story In Itself. If you haven't looked at

his site before, Sal Canzonieri has a great series of articles, and video, on the history

of Chinese martial arts. Great stuff:

 

Natural Traditional Chinese Martial Arts - articles by Sal Canzonieri

http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/

 

NATURAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS PROGRAM -Youtube Videos of Various Forms

http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchool/MartialArtProgram.htm

 

Cheers!

[JinlianPai]

Good point JinlianPai.

 

Great Image. Love Bagua, both the style, and the astrological system.

 

Another point I was taught years ago, Is that it also depends on where the style was founded.

 

Some folks fought on boats, so they favored a low stance.

 

Some fought people on horseback, so high stance, and a style with lots of kicks.

 

The origins of these various styles is a fascinating story In Itself. If you haven't looked at

his site before, Sal Canzonieri has a great series of articles, and video, on the history

of Chinese martial arts. Great stuff:

 

Natural Traditional Chinese Martial Arts - articles by Sal Canzonieri

http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/

 

NATURAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS PROGRAM -Youtube Videos of Various Forms

http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchool/MartialArtProgram.htm

 

Cheers!

 

It is!

 

My teacher got me into feng shui and the i ching.

 

He told me id never understand chi if I didnt understand feng shui....

[MooNiNite]

Kosta left the school at level 2a right? I forgot.

[KenBrace]

Kosta left the school at level 2a right? I forgot.

 

I'm not entirely sure but this is what I've always understood to be the case.

Edited November 30, 2015 by KenBrace

[MooNiNite]

I'm not entirely sure but this is what I've always understood to be the case.

I wonder if the level 2 teachings taught by Kosta differ from the ones taught by Jim?

 

Some people mention a seated exercise for level 2. (and i'm not talking about the meditation practice.)

[KenBrace]

I wonder if the level 2 teachings taught by Kosta differ from the ones taught by Jim?

 

Some people mention a seated exercise for level 2. (and i'm not talking about the meditation practice.)

 

That might be level 2b you are talking about. I'm not entirely sure.

[MooNiNite]

That might be level 2b you are talking about. I'm not entirely sure.

I think you are right. 

 

But, hypothetically I believe 2a can be done in a seated position.

 

Considering Kosta didnt make it to 2b, it would be interesting to know his ideas on 2a.  

[KenBrace]

I think you are right. 

 

But, hypothetically I believe 2a can be done in a seated position.

 

If I am not mistaken level 2b is only done in a seated meditation. It's like level one.

 

 

Considering Kosta didnt make it to 2b, it would be interesting to know his ideas on 2a.  

 

Maybe he did make it to 2b. All I know about Kosta is that he made it to level 2. I'm not sure which stage of level 2 that was.

Edited November 30, 2015 by KenBrace

[MooNiNite]

If I am not mistaken level 2b is only done in a seated meditation. It's like level one.

 

 

 

Maybe he did make it to 2b. All I know about Kosta is that he made it to level 2. I'm not sure which stage of level 2 that was.

 

People have told me that the photo of john with one hand up and one hand down is the position for level 2. 

 

I believe Kosta refers to the levels without the letters, so there would be a stronger possibility of it being 2a, but again hypothetical. 

[MooNiNite]

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Edited November 30, 2015 by MooNiNite

[Infolad1]

I'm going to give my list of three systems that could give Western
Mopai followers what they seek, that are available In the US right now.

First, a major caveat. The one thing I haven't seen discussed In any major
depth, on any of the mopai threads I've seen here, Is what practitioners
are going to do when things go South In their training.

In other words, do you have access to a licensed acupuncturist that is adept
at handling Qi deviations In these practices? Do you have access to a Chinese
herbalist that can prescribe formulas you may need? Do you have access to
a TuiNa (Chinese bodywork) practitioner, to work out potential blockages?

If you don't, you are putting your health, and potentially your life, at risk.

Everyone's different. Different people have different reactions to these practices.

If you have pre-existing, or latent physiological, or psychological issues, they will
show up In your training, and must be dealt with.

I've been very fortunate, blessed actually, to have access to all of the above. And
I did need to utilize them, at various stages.

If you do these practices right, you will be dealing with massive amounts of energy,
within your physical vehicles. These can manifest as illnesses, neuroses, and psychosis.

Plan accordingly.

I don't want to see anyone on here get hurt.

I know doing this stuff is like living a Superhero comic/movie, or Dragonball Z/Avatar/ Naruto
for real, but remember, even in all of those great stories, getting real power tends to involve
pain, and sacrifice.

Just be as sure as you can that you're ready to deal with all of the above.

With that said:


1.System- LoneMan Pai Cost- Free Comments: I'm aware that some folks on here have Issues with
Son Of The Gods (SOTG). But the man knows his stuff.
Also, a number of people on here do not have the financial means,
or are against spending the amount of money needed to access
the next two systems I name. Finally, SOTG has experience In acupuncture,
herbal formulas, & TuiNa, and can advise you when (not If) your training goes South

2.System- Jiu Jiu Yang Shen Cost- $2,000-$10,000+ Comments: I learned the Initial stage techniques from Grandmaster Tu Jin-Sheng, Gong back in 2009. They work, period. I witnessed Grandmaster Tu do light body (99 Power Practice) Qigong, standing on a dozen, & a half eggs, while painting a picture of Lao aka "Iron Crotch Tzu, chop a steel bar Into a "V" shape (we just bought It for him from Home Qigong" Depot), and direct "Electric Qi" into a number of our members, with his Index finger.

Here's a Youtube video showing some of what he can do:

The Iron Body/Iron Crotch training is his first stage training. He has training stages above that,
that correspond to what the mopai folks want to learn. He chooses who learns those on an
Individual basis. He only deals with people of good character. We had to throw one guy out of training, for bad behavior.

If you want It, are sincere, and have the funds, he's based In LA, but has schools worldwide.

His site, and Bio, are here: http://mastertu.com/about


3.System- Temple Style Tai Chi Cost- $4,000+ Comments: Waysun Liao knows things. He's teaching a complete Taoist cultivation system In plain sight, for those that know what they're looking at. Like Grandmaster Tu, he qualifies who he gives advanced level
teachings to. Based In the US.

His site: https://www.taichitaocenter.com/index.php

There you have It. Please be mindful of the caveat at the beginning, and
choose wisely.

Cheers!

Edited November 30, 2015 by Infolad1

[flyinghigh]

2.System- Jiu Jiu Yang Shen Cost- $2,000-$10,000+ Comments: I learned the Initial stage techniques from Grandmaster Tu Jin-Sheng, Gong back in 2009. They work, period. I witnessed Grandmaster Tu do light body (99 Power Practice) Qigong, standing on a dozen, & a half eggs, while painting a picture of Lao aka "Iron Crotch Tzu, chop a steel bar Into a "V" shape (we just bought It for him from Home Qigong" Depot), and direct "Electric Qi" into a number of our members, with his Index finger.

 

Here's a Youtube video showing some of what he can do:

 

 

The Iron Body/Iron Crotch training is his first stage training. He has training stages above that,

that correspond to what the mopai folks want to learn. He chooses who learns those on an

Individual basis. He only deals with people of good character. We had to throw one guy out of training, for bad behavior.

 

If you want It, are sincere, and have the funds, he's based In LA, but has schools worldwide.

 

His site, and Bio, are here: http://mastertu.com/about

 

 

 

Very interesting.

Do you know about the origin of his system?

 

Can you tell us more about his electric qi?

What did he do, when you felt it?

How does he explain it?

Does he teach this?

 

Do you know about his brother's school in Taiwan?

[flyinghigh]

 

 

3.System- Temple Style Tai Chi Cost- $4,000+ Comments: Waysun Liao knows things. He's teaching a complete Taoist cultivation system In plain sight, for those that know what they're looking at. Like Grandmaster Tu, he qualifies who he gives advanced level

teachings to. Based In the US.

 

His site: https://www.taichitaocenter.com/index.php

 

There you have It. Please be mindful of the caveat at the beginning, and

choose wisely.

 

Cheers!

 

What is the background of his system? I couldn't find any info on the site.

 

And why do you state the cost as $4000+?

This weekend seminar is $350. http://www.taichitaocenter.com/sections/seminar.php

Is the advanced stuff pricier?

[gendao]

2.System- Jiu Jiu Yang Shen Cost- $2,000-$10,000+ Comments: I learned the Initial stage techniques from Grandmaster Tu Jin-Sheng, Gong back in 2009. They work, period. I witnessed Grandmaster Tu do light body (99 Power Practice) Qigong, standing on a dozen, & a half eggs, while painting a picture of Lao aka "Iron Crotch Tzu, chop a steel bar Into a "V" shape (we just bought It for him from Home Qigong" Depot), and direct "Electric Qi" into a number of our members, with his Index finger.

 

Here's a Youtube video showing some of what he can do:

The Iron Body/Iron Crotch training is his first stage training. He has training stages above that,

that correspond to what the mopai folks want to learn. He chooses who learns those on an

Individual basis. He only deals with people of good character. We had to throw one guy out of training, for bad behavior.

 

If you want It, are sincere, and have the funds, he's based In LA, but has schools worldwide.

 

His site, and Bio, are here: http://mastertu.com/about

Jiu Yang Shen Gong is Grandmaster Tu’s unique penis qigong.

This method is based on Bodhidharma’s Shaolin Marrow Washing (xisuigong)

But today, Grandmaster Tu exalts this practice as a penile panacea. It can prevent old age and diseases, increase energy and vitality, make muscles and bones stronger, reduce arterial blockage, cholesterol levels, diabetes, allergies and ear problems. Additionally, of course, it can greatly enhance sexual performance. According to Grandmaster Tu, this method will increase the sperm count and boost male hormone levels in a way that is much more natural and better than taking drugs like Viagra or steroids.

I'd like to be able to deep clean my bone marrow (like the "lost" art of XiSuiGong implies), but obviously one's bones, much less bone marrow, is very difficult to access.  So, how can it be done?

 

Well, Tu claims that tugging your junk somehow does this?  Like how???  How exactly would yanking your rod detox the bone marrow inside your femur or humerus, for example?

[Infolad1]

Very interesting.

Do you know about the origin of his system?

 

Can you tell us more about his electric qi?

What did he do, when you felt it?

How does he explain it?

Does he teach this?

 

Do you know about his brother's school in Taiwan?

Sure flyinghigh.

 

He's from an unbroken lineage of Taoist priests,

what I call applied Taoism, not the ceremonial Taoism you see today.

 

What the exact lineage is, I don't know. Here's what's on his site:

 

"Jiu means nine. Nine is special number in Chinese numerology because it is the largest of the single digits and after counting to nine, one must return to one. It also refers to the nine major orifices of the body: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus, and genitals. Shen means spirit. Yang is the same Yang in Yin-Yang and Gong is the same Gong in Qigong. This method is based on Bodhidharma’s Shaolin Marrow Washing (xisuigong), and Taoist nine-circle alchemy (daojia jiu zhuan wandansu.) It combines Buddhist and Taoist, as well as internal and external methods. "

 

He didn't apply the "Electric Qi" (what we called It, not him) to me. He applied It to a few members, as we watched.

When I asked one later what he felt, he said it was this pulsed energy wave, that went up his

arm, with a "tat-tat-tat-tat-tat", was how he described It.

 

He didn't explain It, he just said, through my Sifu as translator, that he would show some of us Qi. They held their

palm out, he put the tip of his index finger into their laogong point, and said "See, no Qi". Then he said "Now, Qi.",

and put his index fingertip back on their laogong, directing his Qi into them. They all felt It.

 

When he did the light body Qigong, and painted the Lao Tzu picture, and calligraphy, I stood next to him, holding the tray with the water, and Ink. I could feel waves of energy coming off of him.

I never felt anything like It before.

 

He teaches a number of things In the more advanced stages of training. He didn't say if this was one of them.

 

But depending on your character, and knowledge base, he'll teach more. His protocols for what's learned are 

traditional, from what I've experienced. If he doesn't think you're ready, or of bad character, you won't learn It.

 

I'm not familiar with his Brother's school In Taiwan. My Sifu Is Taiwanese. When I see him, I'll ask him.

 

Cheers!

Edited November 30, 2015 by Infolad1

[Infolad1]

What is the background of his system? I couldn't find any info on the site.

 

And why do you state the cost as $4000+?

This weekend seminar is $350. http://www.taichitaocenter.com/sections/seminar.php

Is the advanced stuff pricier?

 

That's the funny thing. I don't know, from what I've seen so far, and what 

he has on the site.

 

These masters, and Grandmasters tend to keep things close to the vest.

If they don't want you to know something In the system, you don't find out,

unless you figure It out yourself. They tend to respect this, and then will teach you more.

At least that's been my experience.

 

But from reading his "Tai Chi Classics" book, and doing some of the exercises,

I know he's got the real deal. The other reason Is that his explanation of Jin,

matched up with the explanation one of the top practitioners In our system,

Adam Hsu, gave on jin, even down to some of the illustrations they both use

being similar. Liao just took It to another level, halfway through the chapter.

This was another Indicator to me.

 

Also, he's teaching marrow washing In the book. Waysun Liao's"Tai Chi Classics"

is a VERY interesting book, and will take you far, If you know how to extrapolate.

 

The $4000+ was when I added up the cost of his many DVDs, factoring In 

being able to get access to the private material also.

 

Cheers!

[Infolad1]

I'd like to be able to deep clean my bone marrow (like the "lost" art of XiSuiGong implies), but obviously one's bones, much less bone marrow, is very difficult to access.  So, how can it be done?

 

Well, Tu claims that tugging your junk somehow does this?  Like how???  How exactly would yanking your rod detox the bone marrow inside your femur or humerus, for example?

 

LOL! "Yanking your rod". 

 

Lifting , and swinging weights from the root of the penis & testicles, balls only, and shaft only,

does a number of different things. It produces more hormones (jing). Some of our folks had theirs tested.

5% increase, on average, after a couple of months of training. Some people with enlarged prostates

had their enlargement shrink, or disappear completely after a month of training.

 

Your genitalia are attached to your fascial system, with is like of mesh of fiber optic cables, surrounding

all of the tissues of the body, like a net. So it activates increased functioning of this system.

 

Please reference Dr. Oschman's work, and video, from my previous post, for more details.

 

You're also utilizing diaphragmatic breathing In specific intervals.

 

In direct answer to your question Gendao, you use the Yi, to condense, pack, and circulate the Qi, first

through the muscles, then fascia, finally the marrow.

 

The Yi is your Intent. But the Yi is also Imagination. In other word, creative visualization.

 

In other words, the body doesn't distinguish between what you imagine, and what actually happens

"In real life". There's tons of studies on the use of creative visualization to heal, lose weight, build muscle,

change habits, etc.

 

This is the Yi at work. It's why Liao's "Tai Chi Classics" book Is so major. He's showing you how to do this.

 

The book is available on Scribd.

 

Finally, the pulling causes an equal raising effect on the Yang Qi. I get a massive wave of Yang Qi after lifting.

The more weight, the bigger the energy pulse. I can lift 100lbs at present, so I get a heck of a pulse.

 

You use emptiness meditation, standing postures, and strike specific acupuncture points with a metal Qi broom/striker, to bring the Qi down out of the head, and balance It out. We also use an herbal formula with the training.

 

The practice is the 12th Hexagram, Stagnation, made real. Yin moves downward (the weight towards gravity), Yang upward (jing from genitals converting/sublimating into Qi). When you bring the 

two together (through emptiness meditation), you have the 11th Hexagram Tai, or Peace/Hetep/Nirvana. In other words "Fusion".

 

Any other questions, just let me know. I'm here to help.

 

Gotta run, and teach. Later!

 

Cheers!

Edited November 30, 2015 by Infolad1

[Nungali]

[Infolad1]

ROFLMAO!! 

 

AND Bernadette Peters! (She's HAWT!   )

 

Actually, you learn to pull your balls back up into your body at will.

 

Still gotta get the "hang" of that skill though. 

 

Cheers!

[Nungali]

ROFLMAO!! 

 

AND Bernadette Peters! (She's HAWT!   )

 

Actually, you learn to pull your balls back up into your body at will.

 

Still gotta get the "hang" of that skill though. 

 

Cheers!

 

First teacher would (to the black belts ) , kick balls...  and stop and feel with his toes for the retraction or not. 

 

Apparently feeling with fingers was improper ... toes okay  

[Nungali]

.....   a levitating frog