Balinese qi gong, your analysis?

[Arkx6]

So i started training again in the system of a Balinese "Energy master", i have never heard of Balinese qi gong before this system. I would be interested in how you would classify this system.

 

Ratu Bagus is the founder of the system and to me there is a parallel to Reiki where Usui received Satori (japanese word for moment of enlightenment) where he received information and power to start teaching Reiki. A simillar thing is described as happening to Ratu Bagus.

 

Now i would be skeptical of these claims had i not witnessed one of his students switch off a streetlamp by pointing at it on two occasions and turning streetlamps off as he walked underneath them roughly 7 times.

 

Myself i can report very strong energies whilst doing practice where i can feel the energy building in my arms and then it appears the energy was working on a bloackage. Suddenly poof the energy flowed past/disolved the blockage and the energy was flowing along the meridian a lot more fully.

 

I can sometimes describe the energy as like fire swimming in my meridians and is quite something. Unfortunately from my perspective, the system is surrounded in a lot of mysticism which does not clarify how it works.

 

Now from what i can tell there is some sort of energy transmission happening simillar to Reiki where you invoke energies and they start flowing to you. In Reiki you have to be initiated so that you can connect to the energies that are worked with. I dont know if this is the case with what is called "Bio energy meditation".

 

The rest of the practice involves a "shaking" that you start but becomes automatic and continues of itself. This aspect of the practice which involves spontaneous movement sounds similar to spontaneous Qi gong. I am sure more is going on than spontaneous Qi gong though and that receiving energy via some sort of transmission is involved both because of the power of the energy involved and because this is how the practice is explained.

 

What i find interesting is that unlike spontaneous Qi gong, this system involves spontaneous emotional releases as well like laughter or crying and isnt just restricted to spontaneous movement.

 

So heres the website

 

http://www.ratubagus.com/English/Bio+Energy+Meditation

 

Unfortunately as i say there is a lot of mysticism and not much theory as in Qi gong.

 

How would you classify this system? It is obviously very different from any Qi gong or Nei Gong system i know of.

 

This is what it looks like:

 

 

The whole affecting people via energy only works if you tune into the energy and open yourself to it. Its difficult to describe unless you ve experienced it. I have seen many "masters" do similar displays that revolved around sugestion and light hypnosis techniques a la darren brown. I am sure this is genuine though having experienced it myself.

 

Peace

[vonkrankenhaus]

I would classify this as very basic parts of qigong being expressed in a way palatable to westerner consumers and modern people.

 

This sort of thing going on all over now it seems.

 

Modern living is producing desire for these experiences and ideas.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Arkx6]

More is going on here than basic Qi gong of that i am sure, but in the absence of firsthand experience i dont blame you for not believing me.

 

If only basic parts of Qi gong were being practiced i doubt one of his students would be able to perform feats of "Electro kinesis" within three years. Another student placed his hand on my crown and we "shared" a vision that was very vivid.

 

I would classify this as very basic parts of qigong being expressed in a way palatable to westerner consumers and modern people.

 

This sort of thing going on all over now it seems.

 

Modern living is producing desire for these experiences and ideas.

-VonKrankenhaus

 

I do feel you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

 

What would you say differentiates basic and advanced Qi gong/Nei gong ?

[Leif]

The public video and text on the website give same impression as all other spontaneous qigong systems I have seen online. Again, that's just about the little displayed publically.

 

I wouldn't underestimate simple shaking qigong powers, ask eg. trainers from Kundalini Awakening Practice (I don't remember the details but that's where I got introduced to it, and at that time I felt their reported experiences with it being pretty incredible).

 

The difference could be in personal training of course, due to the likelihood of advanced training for personal students, and due to energy transmission and presence of the master - that's what could make huge difference I guess.

[Arkx6]

Im pretty sure the master carries out energy transmission when he's there as he walks round touching people's dantiens etc.

 

 

Interesting Leif, before this shaking Qi gong id only encountered "traditional" Qi gong where there are specific movements or forms and those schools definetly look down on spontaneous Qi gong which is a shame as i've had some pretty good experience with it.

[Arkx6]

So i was wrong, the system of shaking is a type of qi gong sandwiched in with energy transmission a la Reiki.

The qi gong practice is widespread.

 

http://thedaobums.com/topic/37838-ratu-bagus-and-the-shakers-of-bali/

 

When i use the invoking mantra "om swastiastu, ratu bagus" and ask the energy to come between my hands it does.

In Reiki we have invocations and signs. in this practice there is a mantra that invokes energy. But this is superimposed over a qi gong style as mentioned above.

 

I suppose i didnt understand that shaking was a qi gong exercise of itself as i first encountered the system at the naive age of 16.

 

Ratu's school underplays the shaking qi gong style and puts all the weight on the mantra and the transmission.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Arkx6

[vonkrankenhaus]

It is like first day of a children's daycare program of qigong.

 

Which can be exactly a good thing for many people today - so I am only observing and not criticising.

 

If people's ideas are expanded because this is showing them issues they never thought existed, then this is part of someone's growth.

 

But serious people will eventually look for more content and find not just a mountain, but a vast field of galaxies existing.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Arkx6]

What kind of content would you consider after a strong qi gong foundation has been developed?

[vonkrankenhaus]

No, I mean content -within- qigong studies.

 

Meaning - there is more to qigong than this.

 

So in building strong foundation in qigong, more content must be accessed beyond this aspect they are doing.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Arkx6]

Could you be more specific? What content do you mean exactly?

[vonkrankenhaus]

Qigong as a whole - all various qigong concepts, basics, methods, techniques.

 

We can add many things to this too - tao yin, neigong - all "related".

 

Taoist studies, religious Taoism, YinYang, 5 phases, lo shou, Iching, fengshui, etc, etc.

 

Guy in Bali shaking and giving his transmissions is sitting inside of this larger picture.

 

One sesame seed on a huge bun.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Arkx6]

Thats fair enough, as i said initially the system is immersed in mysticism which doesnt teach theory etc and focusses on practice.

 

I dont feel its a complete system of itself and needs to be complimented with tai chi, reiki etc.

 

 

 

 

 

[JohnC]

I'm not sure how you would classify the system, or the like.... but there is very interesting energy work systems that come from that area.

 

Mopai is from Indonesia, and pencak silat which is an interesting martial art with internal training.

 

Why are you asking? Checking out the validity of the system or something?

 

It looks hindu/buddhist. If your in it, the teacher is probably the best person to ask.

 

John

Edited November 22, 2015 by JohnC

[Arkx6]

I was asking because i practice the system again now having gotten some staggering results in the past.

 

I was asking cause i didnt understand how to classify the system and nothing i heard about it clarifies it.

 

The best i can think of is qi gong mixed with the invoking energies practice of reiki really.

 

Will catch the master at xmass so hopefully can ask a few questions.