Atlantis

[Nungali]

Sorry but the evidence is tipping the scales right away from what that link is purporting .

 

This is typical of Danny's other vids ( Youtube education    )  ... the one on pareidolia is ridiculous .  

 

And that forum is sus  as well as the whole Donellyean Atlantis idea.  As is ufo/tv and similar, and no I am not just pre-judging on the name , as I said before, its due to past experience , and it has been confirmed again. The only reason I looked into it again was due to  'suggestion' (let's call it )  that I was being biased . 

 

 

 

Michael , could you please supply the details of this early Egyptian map, the temple it came from and the significance of the latitude and or longitude of the sea mount  that you earlier referenced  and claimed as significant ?   Thanks . 

Edited December 7, 2015 by Nungali

[Nungali]

Oh yeah ... and there is this too 

 

If one reads Plato, Kircher's map does not in any way resemble the island-continent Plato describes (which was surrounded on 3 sides by mountains with only 1 side having plains extending to the sea. the triangular shape of the inner plain , etc etc .) 

 

Looks like Kircher and the map are debunked too  ? 

[Michael Sternbach]

Nungali, are you sure you watched the right video? The last one on the first page of the blog, yes? From about five minutes into it, it goes on and on about the peculiar geographical position of that landmass! That is one of the structure's most telling features, at least as far as I am concerned. For the ancients always positioned their sacral buildings on significant spots and lines of connection.

 

I too can't discern many of those details (rivers etc) that the blogger believes to see on the Google Earth image. I do think of him as the visionary type, letting his imagination carry him away at times. Many of your objections, although factually correct, miss the mark. We are not discussing the work of an academic scientist here! Despite all the inaccuracies in that presentation, the shape of that structure in conjunction with its position alone render it as potentially significant.

 

The Atlantis-Meteor seamount complex, eh? Not that we would have to give any significance to that name, of course... I mean, it's not that we were occultists or something, right?

 

Talking about the exact origin of Kircher's map, I will tell you once I will know myself. When I will have my books, hopefully.

 

So did you find out if the sea level was low enough during the ice age for that landmass to be uncovered? If so, why shouldn't it have provided the ground Atlantis was built on?

 

Again, I am not saying that this was Atlantis for sure. It just looks like a pretty good candidate to me.

[Lois]

Nungali, while fussing over subsidiary matters, you didn't even mention what is of interest here: That there is a large platform submerged in the Atlantic which resembles the island on Kircher's map a lot. Let's consider that the sea level was considerably lower before the end of the last ice age.

 

Moreover, it is at the same latitude like Giza and at a longitude that was predicted for Atlantis based on the structural analysis of an Egyptian temple. If I had the money, I would organize an expedition there at once. If you don't even find it remarkable, I probably can't help you.

Why do not you look in the Gulf of Aden?

[Nungali]

Nungali, are you sure you watched the right video? The last one on the first page of the blog, yes? From about five minutes into it, it goes on and on about the peculiar geographical position of that landmass! That is one of the structure's most telling features, at least as far as I am concerned. For the ancients always positioned their sacral buildings on significant spots and lines of connection.

 

Thats a random and vague statement and has noting to do with the claims in the vid  ???     

 

For a start , they are claiming The great pyramid at Giza is on the same latitude as the sea mount ... I checked , its about 1.200 km out !  The other stuff is rubbish !  like ;  the sea mont  direction is angled off the pyramid at the same angle as its sides are from the horizontal base and the distance is similar to the speed of light in feet over 1 second   .

 

Are you seriously suggesting that the ancients positioned their sacral buildings  ( the great pyramid ) on significant spots and lines of connection, by  angling out from 'Atlantis' a certain number of degrees and then building a pyramid there with the same angled sides and when choosing how far away to build it decided to make it a similar number to the speed of light in feet per second ?   Or is it the reverse ... that the Pyramid builders located Atlantis where it was due to the measurement ?

 

Either way, this throws the whole of Egyptological research and evidence out  !

 

The more I look into this, the more ridiculous it is. The fudges and silly claims in the commentary, the bad record of woo woo and falsification of the original video makers, the bad investigate skills of the poster, the issue that because the map was supposed;y found in the Vatican and had jesuits associated with it gives it some validity, the issue that it does not appear to predate Plato's story in any way, that Kircher copied it and changed it , that it doesn't even match Plato's description of Atlantis anyway ... then all the stuff I have found out that I listed above.

I too can't discern many of those details (rivers etc) that the blogger believes to see on the Google Earth image. I do think of him as the visionary type, letting his imagination carry him away at times.

 

Oh, so he is a visionary type ... but me, analysing it was throwing the baby out with the bathwater  ? ... I do not call this vision, actually the reverse ... this is blindness to the facts caused by a desire to believe in what one finds attractive to them '... for whatever reason it would be ? 

 

 

Many of your objections, although factually correct, miss the mark.

 

 

What ?     I investigate the claims, find them false faulty inaccurate and I  ' miss the mark.'  What mark is that ? 

 

We are not discussing the work of an academic scientist here!

 

Who said we were and does that have to do with it ?  Wrong and woo is wrong and woo ... I am not an academic scientist either.  

That comment really baffles me ... seems like a red herring .

 

All over these forums people analise , follow up, research opinionat what people post ... what has their academic standing got to do with the  'information' false or not that they post ? 

 

 

Despite all the inaccuracies in that presentation, the shape of that structure in conjunction with its position alone render it as potentially significant.

 

 'Inaccuracies ' !  I would say the crushing weight of all the evidence against what they are claiming rules out the significance of those two 'points', and looking at those two points , the shape of the structure isnt that much like the map at all , look closely , it is sort of similar in general outline and shape, but that is it.  And the position .....     I still dont see what the distance in feet of the speed of light in one minute has to do with anything and it is ludicrous to suggest the Egyptians used or knew of such concepts ( please dont tell me ' but the Atantians might have known it ' ) 

 

 

The Atlantis-Meteor seamount complex, eh? Not that we would have to give any significance to that name, of course... I mean, it's not that we were occultists or something, right?

 

I am not 'that sort' of occultist      ....  I am assuming the guys on the boat named it that as a whim or joke ... due to its location in the Atlantic, not that it resembled Kircher's map . 

 

 

Talking about the exact origin of Kircher's map, I will tell you once I will know myself. When I will have my books, hopefully.

 

Okay then .... I hope the books are not written by the guys that made those vids ? 

 

 

 

So did you find out if the sea level was low enough during the ice age for that landmass to be uncovered?

 

I found some reports of analysis of the structure, mainly basalts and other volcanic rocks with some surface debris from other nearby underwater volcanoes, it shows no evidence of being near the surface, like some other sea mounts they have discovered ( guyot -    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyot ) ,  some features have been found in other places that may have been above sea level but this is due to land rising and falling and they show the evidence in fossilised corals and  different types of rocks ( not volcanic basalts ) 

 

 The Greater Meteor Seamont is about 270 meters below the surface of the Atlantic.  During the last ice age (above) sea level was at least  120 m lower than it is today . 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Meteor_Seamount

 

http://www.iceagenow.com/Sea_Level_During_Last_Ice_Age.htm

 

If so, why shouldn't it have provided the ground Atlantis was built on?

 

For a start, it isnt so and also , basically, because the whole story in nearly every part is wishful fantasy / delusion . 

 

Again, I am not saying that this was Atlantis for sure. It just looks like a pretty good candidate to me.

 

 

So be it .... if you choose to believe in this idea put out by these Youtube charlatans  ( Danny  whatshis name )  , that is your business.

 

My verdict is 

 

it is clearly a case of   Atlantisn't . 

[Nungali]

Why do not you look in the Gulf of Aden?

 

 

Why would we is more the question.   Michael put up his reasons and detailed things as to why he believed what he did, and he offered up information that seemed relevant ... and look how that turned out ! 

 

Why on earth would anyone investigate what you claim on the thin and scant reasons you present. 

 

You have to show a good reason Lois ! 

 

I can say the same to you ;     why do you Lois, not look in Antarctica to find Atlantis  ?

 

 

 

[Nungali]

Dudes !  

 

 

[Lois]

Why would we is more the question.   Michael put up his reasons and detailed things as to why he believed what he did, and he offered up information that seemed relevant ... and look how that turned out ! 

 

Why on earth would anyone investigate what you claim on the thin and scant reasons you present. 

 

You have to show a good reason Lois ! 

 

I can say the same to you ;     why do you Lois, not look in Antarctica to find Atlantis  ?

 

 

 

 

 

I have shown clear cause. It showed me the Creator of the world.

[Nungali]

No,,,  it showed you clear cause  .... but you  have not shown me clear cause to look into it. 

 

Lois ... if I said to you  the creator of the World told me Atlantis is not in Gulf of Aden ... would you believe me ? 

[Nungali]

Here is another 'equally good' match ;

 

[Lois]

No,,,  it showed you clear cause  .... but you  have not shown me clear cause to look into it. 

 

Lois ... if I said to you  the creator of the World told me Atlantis is not in Gulf of Aden ... would you believe me ? 

Well, if I tell you that I am able to work wonders, you believe me?

[Michael Sternbach]

Uh-uh... Bad question to ask Nungali.

 

I looked into the Gulf of Aden, but all I saw was... water.

 

Why don't you share your insights on the Gulf of Arden with us, Lois?

 

Giving Nungali something to sharpen his wit until I will be back with more on Atlantic Atlantis.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Michael Sternbach

[Lois]

Uh-uh... Bad question to ask Nungali.

 

I looked into the Gulf of Aden, but all I saw was... water.

 

Why don't you share your insights on the Gulf of Arden with us, Lois?

 

Giving Nungali something to sharpen his wit until I will be back with more on Atlantic Atlantis.

 

 

Considerations here at anything! There is a map, this is the real value. This 4 islands nearby.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Lois

[Michael Sternbach]

Where is the map?

[Lois]

Where is the map?

The map is in my palace, in a secret green room. It is necessary to find

 

http://ottyg.narod.ru/gametorah.html

[Nungali]

Well, if I tell you that I am able to work wonders, you believe me?

 

You should answer my question first Lois and then I will answer yours  ... to answer a question with a question of your own is   evasion .  

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

Where is the map?

 

 

NOoooooooo !     

 

Dont ..... I already warned ya  remember .   Look, you gotta start paying attention to Nungers ... he's is trying to help you, dont go down this path .....   

 

 

or on second thought   ......   nah !    Go for it !     

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

meanwhiles ... back at the ranch ;  

 

 

" I decided to look up the story of how this was found.  When I compared the Kircher map with ancient maps and then with maps of his time period, it's pretty clear the thing is a forgery.  It does not contain features found in a "more advanced civilization map"  (the shapes of Spain, Africa, and America are wrong.)  It is consistent with the maps of Kircher's time in construction and data and consistent with the maps of his own part of the world.

If it had been REAL... then it should
* look like an ancient Greek or Roman map if it had been done in that time period
* be more advanced if it was a copy of an "advanced map" form an "advanced civilization."
* be a completely different style than civilizations concurrent with  Kirchner (because Atlantis was a different civilization and not 16th century Europe.)

You can confirm this by looking at the history of cartography.
https://en.wikipedia..._of_cartography

And here is a book on cartography from U. Chicago with PDF available chapters that discuss maps and show examples of maps of those time periods.  http://www.press.uch...V1/Volume1.html " 

 

- from Archaeologist friend (specialising  in Egyptology )     

[Marblehead]

Well, if I tell you that I am able to work wonders, you believe me?

Sure, I believe you Lois.  But then I won't be laying any money down until I see some evidence.

[Marblehead]

I looked into the Gulf of Aden, but all I saw was... water.

Yeah, that's normally what is found in gulfs.  The Gulf of Mexico is that way too with a few oil platforms added by man.

[Lois]

Sure, I believe you Lois.  But then I won't be laying any money down until I see some evidence.

there is a video, I work miracles. Write on [email protected] . I'll show you a video

[Marblehead]

there is a video, I work miracles. Write on [email protected] . I'll show you a video

Hehehe.  Thanks, but I'll pass. 

[Lois]

You should answer my question first Lois and then I will answer yours  ... to answer a question with a question of your own is   evasion .  

 

 

 

 

In my question contains the answer.

[Nungali]

So does mine  

    I think your Russian to English translator is acting up again ! (The hot dogs are now all barbecued and their tails are wagging in the swamp . )

 

 

Either that or you are trying to play word games  ....    which you probably will keep doing ... its a 'miracle worker' thing I suppose  

Edited December 9, 2015 by Nungali

[Lois]

 

So does mine  

    I think your Russian to English translator is acting up again ! (The hot dogs are now all barbecued and their tails are wagging in the swamp . )

 

 

Either that or you are trying to play word games  ....    which you probably will keep doing ... its a 'miracle worker' thing I suppose  

You asked: "Why should I believe you?". My answer: "Because I am able to do miracles"