The opposite of Love is not Hate...

[Nungali]

As someone with a Muslim father from Iran who worked his ass off to succeed in this country, and has helped everyone who he has ever crossed paths with and is possibly the most compassionate man i have ever met I compltely disagrees. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," Franklin

 

Some of the most spiritually beautiful people I have ever met have been  Persians .   Their original religion seems one of the best, if not the best, I have encountered as well.  My boss was Persian too, he was very good to me, and fair, we ended up becoming good friends.  Better than any Aussie boss I ever had ! He is one of the very few people I trust. 

[Marblehead]

Isn't that more of a synonym than an antonym?

[Marblehead]

You're not grabbing at straws, are you?

[Marblehead]

Can I say that this is an understatement?

[Nungali]

Can I say that this is an understatement?

 

Probably ... I think your statement of feelings would be more actions than words .....  like grabbing the girl and climbing to the top of Empire State Building and start swatting biplanes 

 

[noonespecial]

 

can you find it in there.

[shanlung]

It is FEAR. 

 

Opposite of love is indifference, or cold indiffference as said by Rex.

 

Now the opposite of a simple truth is a simple lie.

Opposite of a profound truth is yet another profound truth.

 

Idiotic Taoist vacillating between love and hate and indifference and bewildered by choices everywhere

[Bud Jetsun]

Opposite of love is indifference, or cold indiffference as said by Rex.

 

Now the opposite of a simple truth is a simple lie.

Opposite of a profound truth is yet another profound truth.

 

Idiotic Taoist vacillating between love and hate and indifference and bewildered by choices everywhere

Common illusion.

 

It's not a philosophical question, its a human anatomy hard-wired system that fundamentally has 2 operating frequencies for thought, a low frequency for fear and a higher frequency for Love, no middle ground possible from the hardware limitation. This gives rise to the nature of the 'dual' illusion, and why the ying/yang symbol has no grey.

 

There is a yet another higher than Love frequency, however it's not related to something as mundane as thoughts/delusions.

 

Mind and its thinking and all its thoughts have a beginning, middle, and end and are fleeting delusions induced through misperceptions. All terminate with the fleeting body and didn't matter 'prior' and wont matter 'after', as they inherently were non-reality, rather just perspective limited illusion/delusion/confusions.

 

The root purpose of meditation or 'practices' is to find the non-thinking non-fleeting, non-delusion equanimity awareness each being always has had but choses not to perceive vs choosing to delude oneself with ones own stream of nonsense thinking.

 

Unlimited Love,

-Bud

Edited December 19, 2015 by Bud Jetsun

[Marblehead]

Nice post Bud.  I'm still a love/hate guy though.

 

And really, in the depth of my mind the yin/yang symbol is shades of grey with only a few areas that are actually white or black.

 

And yes, dualisticly we have love/hate.  But there is something beyond that - the Sage's indifference.  That word "indifference" should not be read with negative connotations though.

[Bud Jetsun]

Nice post Bud.  I'm still a love/hate guy though.

 

And really, in the depth of my mind the yin/yang symbol is shades of grey with only a few areas that are actually white or black.

 

And yes, dualisticly we have love/hate.  But there is something beyond that - the Sage's indifference.  That word "indifference" should not be read with negative connotations though.

 

 

Thank you kindly brother.  My delusion is no better than yours or any other if it's expressible in keystrokes, I respect your freedom to choose whatever beliefs you find best suits your needs. 

 

There remains a place beyond the expressible, I will see you there. 

 

Unlimited Love,

-Bud

[Netero]

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Edited August 18, 2016 by Netero

[Marblehead]

The opposite of fear, which is contracting and cold in nature, is courage, expansive and warm.

 

 

Well, we have agreement here.

 

I'm sure we could find agreement with your last two paragraphs but you are speaking from a perspective I cannot speak to.

 

There is generalized agreement with your last paragraph though.

[Marblehead]

There remains a place beyond the expressible, I will see you there. 

 

Unlimited Love,

-Bud

Actually, we have already crossed paths there but we are on our own individual journeys.

[wilfred]

love has no opposite.

[Marblehead]

love has no opposite.

It would be very difficult for me to argue against that thought.

[Seth Ananda]

I find myself a lot more suspicious of binary thinking these days.

I tend to think of it as a false set of lenses that we impose on our mind and force it to interpret and perceive through and via.

 

It seems to really hedge in thinking and make people simplistic and often stupid.

 

Look at hot and cold for instance. They are not two fixed opposites. They are a spectrum of temperature that actually exist on the same line as each other. 

if they were opposite, at which temperature? Is a little hot opposite to incredibly brain numbingly freezing?  

 

What if we instead say that really hot was opposite to really cold would make what the center?  Room temp? Body temp? Zero degrees?  They are all arbitrary designations.

 

Here in Australia, warm weather in Melbourne feels cold to someone from the N.T.

 

 

Lets look at fear. People sometimes relate it to contraction. It certainly contracts blood vessels in the viscera and the thinking parts of the brain, but it increases blood flow to the extremities ready for flight or fight, which is not contraction.

 

Love sometimes gets described as expansion, or the liberation of contraction, but love can be protective as well.

 

Well I guess my point is I don't think opposites work very well to describe the world. 

[Marblehead]

Science has defined an absolute cold but to the best of my knowledge it has not defined an absolute hot.

 

Dualistic thinking is how our brain naturally functions.  But we can perceive beyond these limitations if we want to.

[Brian]

Science has offered a description of the nature of heat which seems consistent with observation and, by its nature, this description includes the possibility of an absence of heat. The model simply doesn't contain the concept of an upper limit on vibrational energy.

[silent thunder]

Over that last few years, I have more often been occupying a perspective where hot and cold, love and hate, self and other are no longer viewed as separate things that oppose each other, but rather, one thing, expressing the varying extremes of its nature. Yin and Yang are not separate, they are Wuji flowing and expressing natural extremes of potential.  How I interpret that is my process, not necessarily the nature of how things are...
 
When I observe from a point of duality, I filter my perception of this one thing, into a convenient separation out of a combination of laziness, conditioning and the nature of my observing apparatus.
 
Robert Anton Wilson constantly comes to mind on this matter, when he quoted Husserl that "All perception is gamble". 
 He then expands on this very potently for me... the resonance of this has never dissipated for me, if anything, it resonates more intensely the longer it sits within my awareness.

 

"Every type of bigotry, every type of racism, sexism, prejudice, every dogmatic ideology that allows people to kill other people with a clear conscience, every stupid cult, every superstition, written religion, every kind of ignorance in the world all results from not realizing that our perceptions are gambles.
We believe what we see and then we believe our interpretation of it, we don’t even know we are making an interpretation most of the time. We think that this is reality. In philosophy that is called naïve realism. “What I perceive is reality.” And philosophers have refuted naïve realism every century for the last twenty-five hundred years starting with Buddha & Plato, and yet most people still act on the basis of naive realism."

 

It's very liberating to operate from a position of uncertainty.  It opens me up to real listening, not just with my ears, but with my whole process. 

 

It reinforces something that also resonates more truthfully the longer I sit with it and that is, just because I thought something and felt strongly about it, doesn't make it real, true, or important.  Just because I saw something and then had a thought about it and perhaps also a strong feeling, doesn't mean I 'get it'. 

[Marblehead]

Yeah, non-duality thinking is fun but dualistic thinking is necessary in real life.  In our kitchen there is a big difference between the fridge and the range - one cold, one hot.

 

But then, I think the Sage would not even discuss the love/hate duality as both involve emotional attachment and therefore bias for one over the other.

[Brian]

Hot and cold seem dualistic reality until one recognizes the terms are merely convenient relativistic descriptors for the temperature aspect of vibrational energy. Heat itself is not dualistic. The fridge may seem cold compared to the room but is hot compared to the freezer. The room may seem hot compared to the freezer but is cold compared to the glowing element in the oven but that hot element is cold compared to the filament glowing inside the light bulb. That hot wire is cold compared to the Sun, which in turn is cold in comparison to a lightning bolt. Which is hot and which is cold? Beyond temporary convenience, the question becomes meaningless; ask instead, "what is heat?" This question is non-dualistic and the exploration of it contains within it as a triviality an understanding of hot & cold.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Brian

[silent thunder]

I hear ya Marble...  

 

I'm in agreement with your sentiment much of the time, it's a powerful draw, my perspective, but more and more often, it's becoming what Brian eloquently said... an underlying sense that it's all relative and my perspective is not the definitive answer.  Life is a verb, nothing is fixed and my perspective dictates often how I interpret the conditions of the flow, usually from a combination of conditioning, laziness and projection.

 

Nothing is fixed it seems.  I have met two people in my life who I consider to be Sages, and neither ever addressed love and hate in this manner, nor did I think to ask.  It's odd for me, being in the presence of the sagely is often like it is for me being in a music store... I know there's a shit ton of stuff I want to explore, but when I'm faced with it, my mind goes all blank and I am like ..... derp, lots of cool stuff.  When I get home, is when I smack myself on the head and remember something 'pertinent'.