Open discussion: What it means to be human, what it means to be a hero

[CrunchyChocolate555]

I want to invite an open discussion on the hero's journey, as well as the universal journey of liberation.  This is kind of in line with Krishna's and Arjuna's discussion in the Bagavad Gita.  On the one hand (especially as a man), fulfilling your worldly duty and following your personal heart-will (heart-mind), and on the other, releasing attachment from worldly matters in order to evolve in the spiritual life.

[voidisyinyang]

 you gotta figure that modern humans are thoroughly brainwashed in terms of religion and political mind control.

 

I studied this issue thoroughly. Brahmanic Vedic philosophy seems nonWestern and somehow more pure but in fact all these wars are just controlled by the elite and they're for imperial purposes.

 

Read General Smudley Butler - he was very public about his career in the military just being a mercenary for big business. This has not changed since these Solar ritual priest empires were first established around 3000 BCE.

 

Or Bruce Lincoln has expose on this regarding religious mind control for hierarchical power structures.

 

It's very difficult to escape these situations - but basically warfare is big business.

 

Consider "false flag" operations. People are brainwashed into being supportive of one side over another but in reality it's controlled and created by elite bankers - commerce banking.

 

DNA science has proven that indeed the white race is based on caste in India - that the white race is from malnutrition of wheat monocultural farming - and it spread into India around 9,000 BCE or so. I have posted the details on my blog.

 

So actually the Bagdavad Ghita was stolen from an older philosophy Samkhya - which is Dravidian African based. It was appropriated into Vedic philosophy and changed around.

 

Of course things have gotten worse - but essentially the system is bad and this is based on the wrong mathematics and the wrong philosophy. Archaeology has proven this - it's called "the symbolic revolution." Brahmin philosophy still attempts to contain infinity through geometry as a Solar dynasty priesthood. Of course it's all mythologized as is the propaganda of today - LIberation and freedom b.s.

 

There is no worldly duty - modern humans have a huge population explosion - and that is detailed on my blog - the book "Countdown" is the best work on the topic. So having kids should not happen. If we all have one child that would be o.k. but obviously most people have 2 or more and so a lot of people need to have no kids to make up for the difference.

 

So the hunting for females - providing for the household - well if the female is not going to be pregnant she doesn't need as much resources - she might as well be vegetarian and not have too much fat on her. haha.

 

The best duty males can do is to create the qi energy as love energy - yuan qi from the heart.

 

This is a monastic type calling - or trance dance training.

 

The original human culture never has declared war because all the males train in spiritual healing - and so the love energy resolves conflicts and gives the power to go without food and water so that resources needed are very limited and the culture does not produce more humans than can survive on the land. That culture has the same spiritual training from before 125,000 years ago!! So who really cares about Brahmin Vedic philosophy from 3000 years ago. haha. It is nothing compared to a philosophy that is 122,000 years older and longer and still with us - as the real biological spiritual truth of humanity.

 

Kind of ironic that no one knows or cares about 90% of human history - from before 10,000 BCE!!! It's quite amazing with all the fancy knowledge people have. haha. Hilarious!

[thelerner]

Traditionally, I believe, in India,that there is time for both.  There are a few who'll gravitate to become swami's or monks immediately but the 'heroic' man can have a family, live in the world, then obligations fulfilled, retire from it, release attachments and find oneness. 

Edited December 15, 2015 by thelerner

[voidisyinyang]

Traditionally, I believe, in India,that there is time for both.  There are a few who'll gravitate to become swami's or monks immediately but the 'heroic' man can have a family, live in the world, then obligations fulfilled, retire from it, release attachments and find oneness. 

 

India has massive pollution and poverty because of their failed Brahmin-Vedic caste system with  British colonialism and patriarchal Islam just making it worse - sure British colonialism made it ten times worse but the fundamental problem remains.

 

That's why there's hardly any real yogis left in India - the same for China with qigong masters - Westernization has accelerated China into the worst polluting nation on Earth and it's just going to get worse.

 

The most spiritual river in India is the most polluted river in the world.

[Marblehead]

Nice topic.  I'm sitting on the fence and don't know which side to jump off into.

[Arya]

this sutra gives information on ancient Brahmins and also Buddhist creationism

 

http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2.19-Agganna-S-d27-piya.pdf

 

I was filled with wonder, first time I read it

 

but I read this information here first http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bits/bits069.htm

[vonkrankenhaus]

What is human being?

 

How did it happen.

 

Why did it happen?

 

If we discover these, then it would be easier to write what this means.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Marblehead]

Someone here can surely give you very scientific answers to your questions.

 

Human being?  A Homo that is humane.

 

How?  Because working together produced better results.

 

Why?  We live a better life.

[Nungali]

What is human being?

 

How did it happen.

 

Why did it happen?

 

If we discover these, then it would be easier to write what this means.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

 

Let's start with that specific quality or qualities that underpins. specifically,  human behaviour  - what is it that separates us distinctly from the rest of the animal kingdom ?     That is, not every little difference, but that quality which allows or creates those differences . 

[vonkrankenhaus]

How about this:

 

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2009/12/17/17dec_whenaurorascollide_resources/plasmatail.jpg

 

See a human shape starting there?

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Marblehead]

How about this:

 

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2009/12/17/17dec_whenaurorascollide_resources/plasmatail.jpg

 

See a human shape starting there?

 

-VonKrankenhaus

Yeah, but that's only because our brain is telling us that that is what it looks like.

 

And besides, it is laying down doing nothing.  What a waste of a life.

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"Yeah, but that's only because our brain is telling us that that is what it looks like."

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Which came first?

 

Consider the following quote:

 

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

 

- What could it mean?

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[gendao]

I want to invite an open discussion on the hero's journey, as well as the universal journey of liberation. This is kind of in line with Krishna's and Arjuna's discussion in the Bagavad Gita. On the one hand (especially as a man), fulfilling your worldly duty and following your personal heart-will (heart-mind), and on the other, releasing attachment from worldly matters in order to evolve in the spiritual life.

Great question, but no great answers yet...

 

In these common rites of passage, what makes one:

1) Human?

2) Man?

3) Hero?

 

Put another way...what makes someone a human, a human a man (or woman), and a man (or woman) a hero?

Edited December 17, 2015 by gendao

[Marblehead]

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"Yeah, but that's only because our brain is telling us that that is what it looks like."

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Which came first?

The experience or the perception of it?  Without the experience there is no perception.

 

Consider the following quote:

 

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

 

- What could it mean?

 

-VonKrankenhaus

You are asking an Atheist what something from the Bible means?  WoW!

 

According to some Christians we all are children of God.  Did she have only one child?

 

Everlasting life?  Physical or spiritual?

 

Everlasting physical in not possible.

 

I don't hold to the concept of an individual spirit existing after death.  (The spirit returns to Universal Chi.)

[vonkrankenhaus]

The "only begotten son" is Humanity.

 

God -- Heaven, Expanse, Infinite.

 

World -- Creation, Earth.

 

God gave -- From God.

 

So loved -- Gravity, Contraction.

 

That whosoever believeth -- Human Consciousness.

 

In Him -- Of God.

 

Shall not perish -- All physical will perish.

 

Everlasting Life -- Conscious evolution.

 

Human being is first animal that has some control over the evolution of Life, which is to say the manifestations of the Lord (Tao) and God (Infinite, un-manifested).

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[CrunchyChocolate555]

I'll contribute:

 

I think a hero is someone that goes beyond their own personal survival and satisfaction to attain or help contribute something to a whole much greater than his or her individual self. This means that the hero may need to sacrifice his life (or his ego) to attain this objective.

 

Then, the path of enlightenment is simply releasing the need or desire to do anything, or have any judgement about anything. Of course, this is sometimes impossible without first going through one or several hero's journeys in order to get some of the more quarrelsome aspects of human will out of the way. Sometimes, there are just certain things we feel utterly compelled to do with our lives, you know?   That is, the fact that many of us will not want to sit still doing nothing in our lives, so going out into the world and achieving personal success (fun question: is personal success par of the hero's journey?), and sacrificing himself for a greater version of himself.

Edited December 17, 2015 by CrunchyChocolate555

[Marblehead]

Human being is first animal that has some control over the evolution of Life, which is to say the manifestations of the Lord (Tao) and God (Infinite, un-manifested).

Well, you did good, from your perspective.

 

But then, you already had your own answers when you asked those questions above.

 

And then, it's always nice sharing our thoughts.  Someone just might say something that will allow us to see clearer.

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"But then, you already had your own answers when you asked those questions above."

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Actually, we have not answered those questions yet:

 

"What is human being?

How did it happen.

Why did it happen?"

 

I only subsequently added when I saw these questions not so much considered, just to seeing if there would be any response.

 

Hard to say what it means if we never know what it really is in the first place.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Marblehead]

Yep.  We need understand the question clearly before attempting an answer.

 

Answers:

1.  A living homo sapien

2.  Evolution

3.  Changes in climate and geology