an example of "a religion of peace" sect

[Apech]

I'm not politically correct but I think it has to be understood that the EU has completely screwed up over the refugee issue and showed itself to be an ineffective organisation.  The problem initially was denial - they were actually reducing resources into the situation in the Med a year ago - also confusing economic migrant problem with refugees from war.  Then when pictures of dead babies started appearing they panicked and reversed position and then fell into total disarray.  With Hungary building fences while Germany welcomed people in.  I thought this was very warm hearted of the Germans but naive in the extreme.

 

What they should have done is patrol the Med using EU country naval ships to prevent people trafficking but at the same time go to refugee camps in Lebanon and Turkey and assess people to see if they were genuine asylum seekers and then bring selected people to the West on a quota basis.  Economic migrants should have been made to apply for work visas for the country they wished to go to.

 

They way it has been handled has led to many people who probably should not be in Europe here and others who are genuine stuck somewhere in the Balkan States.  Sometimes it's cruel to be kind.

 

That is not say by the way that what happened in Cologne is related to the newest wave of immigration - I think that needs to be established before jumping to conclusions.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Apech

[thelerner]

I think what Apech said above is very well balanced.  Part of the reason that papers are self censoring is that the truth feeds the far right neo-nazi fascist groups.  The truth should bring people over to a view like Apech's, balanced, trying to find humane but protective solutions, but it also fuels nationalistic fascist groups that harass and murder immigrants.  

 

Its a bad situation.   Balance is hard, made worse by people who stir up hatred and paranoia, as well as the opposite end that welcomes all without acknowledging the price the country will pay. 

 

I hope this thread dies soon.  I think most people have made there points. 

[gatito]

The Israeli Ministry of Education decided to ban from the school program a book dedcribing an affair between a jewish woman and an arab man. So TimeOut Tel Aviv have decided to ask jews and arabs to meet and to kiss.

Six couples of jews and arabs - male and female, gay and straight - have decided to do the "forbidden deed" and express love in front of our camera.

Some of them were couples, some just friends, some have never met prior to the shoot.

Jews and arabs refuse to be enemies.

For the full piece: http://bit.ly/1JuVZNN

 

[3bob]

may this string go on for as long as people want it to go on...

[Aetherous]

Don't worry guys, this war's not over any time soon.

[Marblehead]

Don't worry guys, this war's not over any time soon.

It has been going on at least as long as humans have been recording their activities.

[johndoe2012]

Hey Apech

 

You write well, better than me.

 

Not wanting to stir up but most of them were newly arrived according to the German paper Die Welt

 

http://m.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

 

It is quite unfortunate because this will lead to further hardship for those who really need the help.

 

So Syrians have basically nowhere to go now, think of those with no money at all.

[Apech]

Hey Apech

 

You write well, better than me.

 

Not wanting to stir up but most of them were newly arrived according to the German paper Die Welt

 

http://m.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

 

It is quite unfortunate because this will lead to further hardship for those who really need the help.

 

So Syrians have basically nowhere to go now, think of those with no money at all.

 

Thanks!

 

Well it's really worrying, both that human nature could allow this sort of behaviour in the refugees - and the likely reaction.  I hope the authorities act swiftly and decisively to deal with this.  But I'm not holding my breath.

[JustARandomPanda]

Thought I'd share some observations from another thread that got me thinking. Commentary on the attacks in Germany. The original post that inspired the comments are here > http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/

 

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Juhana said...

    @ed boyle: I hear you man. As Scandinavian myself, I cannot even begin to describe disgust political correctness and liberal leftism causes in me and most working class males of Finland I know. We at least have started to defend ourselves, but Sweden is total madhouse nowadays. Throat cuttings and mass rapes by immigrants every week, and answer to that problem is to have more anti-racism rallies. I believe migrant crisis is THE biggest problem facing us now. If we as tribes of Europe do not survive and fight back this wave of conquest, other peak oil problems does not concern us anymore, as killed or enslaved persons don't have those worries any more. But you waste your breath here, because most readers of this blog attack you vehemently for expressing thoughts deviating from the Party line. Go to Return of Kings or Roosh V if you want more sympathetic internet crowd. Real life comrades are still far better. And even if your deviant thoughts come from your daily experience, and you only want to defend your dearest ones from rape and physical abuse, they still condemn you. In PC world, even having ideas about self-defence against dark skinned attackers is wrong wrong wrong, because racism and nazism and white privilege you know. Whites, even native European Whites who have been living in their lands from last Ice Age onwards are always wrong, always opressors for these folks.

    JMG, that is probably reason why Trump is doing so good in US right now. He attacks against those PC fortresses, that actually are status quo and the Man right now. Liberal leftist want to be seen as heroic counter-cultural revolutionaries, but there is nothing revolutionary in being feminist, multiculturalist, environmental activist or some other cultist of rainbow flag variety. Those "revolutionaries" are the staus quo today, the spearhead of liberalism. In the West, victory of generation of '68 is total. People who actually have to pay price for failures of that grandiose secular religion established by flower generation are sick of it, because it does not work on grassroots level. It is as simple as that. It does not work, as Marxism or radical nationalism did not work before this new secular religion of flower power. It must fall, and Trump is first ray of hope for bringing it down in US. He is first person in your internal politics who resembles vaguely the New Right of Europe. There are differences, his flamboyancy and moneyed status being most prominent, but still now you have had first breeze from New Right blowing to your face. And we who are its voting base, mostly native working classes and lower middle classes, for us they are our only and last hope.

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John Michael Greer said...

Juhana, yes, that's an important part of it. I'll be exploring that in much more detail in the upcoming post I've mentioned.
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William Church said...

    John, I await your Trump post eagerly. I am really interested to see if we agree on the secret of his success.

    I've said for years that if a man or woman was willing to attack immigration and trade policy he could form a political consensus that would last for decades. It isn't immigration or trade per se that has people so enraged. It is that both have been used as economic and political weapons against an ever growing slice of the populace.

    Both parties have sold them out relentlessly on these issues for decades now. They are mad and why not? I'm mad about it myself. The fact that an imbecile like Trump can exploit these issues to rocket to the charts shows their potency.

    The fact that 95% of pundits can't crack this code tells you everything you need to know about the circles of people they never encounter.

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John Michael Greer said...

William, I see your crystal ball is in good working order. You've touched on a core theme of the upcoming Trump post.

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Jason Panno said...

    I wasn't going to comment as it's rather late in the week, but I had to after I saw this.

    Juhana wrote:
    "JMG, that is probably reason why Trump is doing so good in US right now. He attacks against those PC fortresses, that actually are status quo and the Man right now. Liberal leftist want to be seen as heroic counter-cultural revolutionaries, but there is nothing revolutionary in being feminist, multiculturalist, environmental activist or some other cultist of rainbow flag variety. Those "revolutionaries" are the staus quo today, the spearhead of liberalism. In the West, victory of generation of '68 is total. People who actually have to pay price for failures of that grandiose secular religion established by flower generation are sick of it, because it does not work on grassroots level. It is as simple as that. It does not work, as Marxism or radical nationalism did not work before this new secular religion of flower power. It must fall, and Trump is first ray of hope for bringing it down in US. He is first person in your internal politics who resembles vaguely the New Right of Europe. There are differences, his flamboyancy and moneyed status being most prominent, but still now you have had first breeze from New Right blowing to your face. And we who are its voting base, mostly native working classes and lower middle classes, for us they are our only and last hope."

    As a 27 year old working class white male living in 'middle america', who is almost certainly going to vote for Trump, I'd say this is spot on the reason he is getting so much support. The economic angle is certainly part of it, but I'd say this is far greater.

    One of the subjects you've covered at length on this blog is how humans behave when the stories they've been telling themselves to explain the world stop matching the reality around them. That they double down on what used to work in the past, or what is 'supposed to work' according to their narrative, to the point of absurdity and eventually the 'story' in question is abandoned. I cant help but notice that this process is well into motion for the narratives underlying the social mores of the contemporary west. I've been wondering for a while why it hasn't been brought up here...

    I look forward to your analysis of the 'Trump phenomena' Mr. Greer, both for your unique perspective and to see how it stacks up with my own motivations and those of other trump supporters I've talked to.


    Anyway though, since everyone else in the comment section is making predictions for the year, I'll make my observation into one. I consider it to be of the slam-dunk variety:

    'The narratives of equality that make up the social mores of today will continue to die. Activists for 'social justice' will continue to pursue strategies that actively hurt their own cause, and generally look more and more absurd to the general public. An increasing number of people will find that they cannot identify or agree with some part of the social mores of the day and will find themselves labeled as haters. With this 'hater' label they will find themselves far more open to the arguments of other 'haters', and the number of people who want to throw the entire edifice into the compost heap will grow.'

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John Michael Greer said...

Jason, thanks for the input from the front lines. The self-defeating bullying of so-called "social justice warriors" is, to my mind, only one facet of a much broader phenomenon which has a great deal to do with the chasm in American society that Trump's figured out how to bridge -- and that bridge may well lead him straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, not least because none of his opponents are willing or able to see the chasm in the first place. More on this soon!

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[3bob]

let's not forget that trump-et head admires that killer nut job dictator in North Korea... (per his own words)

 

I don't care for the misguided liberals nor for the fanatic right, thus our choices for a potential US president are pitifully limited on both sides!  (along with and imo Bernie Sanders being way to much of a socialist which would further cripple the middle class thus we are s.o.l. this time around)