Whatever happened in Cologne never never happened

[Karl]

A flat tax on all income over the poverty level.  No deductions for anything.  How could a system be fairer?

 

As long as you can put the government on a leash and get them out of everything except defence and law keeping. Then the tax need only be a paltry amount that no one minds paying. The tax would be set and permanent with no option to increase it-so no more inflationary money printing.

[Marblehead]

As long as you can put the government on a leash and get them out of everything except defence and law keeping. Then the tax need only be a paltry amount that no one minds paying. The tax would be set and permanent with no option to increase it-so no more inflationary money printing.

I totally agree with that.

[Karl]

the problem as i see it and this goes for liberal ideology in general is when you take compassion for individuals to its logical (or illogical) extremes, there's a good chance the population as a whole will be worse off. by this i mean the integrity of the system is liable to break down if policy is based on sympathy and not pragmatism. whether we like it or not capatalism has a proven track record of creating wealth, just based on how we behave as humans. and this shouldn't be confused for the crony capatalism or increasing shift to the left in recent decades.

 

so while this type of thinking is not much compatible a spiritual path i would think none of us here aspire to be politicians or some type of business leaders etc. if you have to make decisions based on the lesser or two evils, you're already in the wrong karmically speaking. but the thing that surprises me (well, not that surprising actually) is the fear of the 'far right' or the right in general, considering how far to the left things have swung lately. there's something called horseshoe theory which is along the lines of the far-left and far-right eventually intersect, both become authoritarian and fascist. remember Hitler came into power under the guise of the 'National Socialist' party.

 

I see the mainstream media as overwhelmingly to the left of the spectrum and pretty far to the left at that. if there's brainwashing going on this is where it's pushing people and it's certainly up for debate what the overall purpose of this might be, conspiracies etc. but the fact it's so deliberate raises suspicion. recently we've seen some examples of censorship when it comes to reporting facts, total omission of covering stories in the name of political correctness, when the bigger issue is how avoiding reality will always jeopardize the integrity of society. much like the result of abadoning a rule of law, which has also been happening in very obvious ways.

 

don't know where this is going, i guess the point is i see the danger of fascism being stronger from the left side of the spectrum. i see it as highly unlikely we'll swing to the far-right based on the the level of information available to us nowadays. and when Donald Trump is literally Hitler, it shows you peoples idea of what the far-right actually is has been heavily skewed. the left is far more insidious based on the fact they use 'rational discussion' and appeals to sympathy in order to push an agenda of censorship and right-think/wrong-think. people strongly to the left also have this penchant for lying when hypocrisy or holes in their arguments are exposed, with much of their empathy being feigned, based off projections and the need to feel morally superior.

 

i'm not big on politics myself, never voted, but do feel we need to move to the right for any kind of hope of a free, productive, society to be maintained. we need to be pragmatic about what is happening in the world and ways in which we can create genuine wealth (life support). there are too many narcissistic, narrative following, free speech squashing people on the other side. if we keep going to the left, next economic/financial crash we're heading straight for a socialist, authoritarian state, 1984 dystopia etc.

 

Nicely said, although being picky I would change 'pragmatic' to 'practical'.

 

What isn't clear I think is that we have both left and right paradigms operating in the West and they are in a symbiotic collusion.

 

The left is the socialised welfare system and its heavy burden of taxation. It includes state education, health, roads, pensions.

The right controls crony corporatism which includes most importantly central banking and its banking cartel, but also companies dependent on government contracts such as Serco, Group4 and many others associated with keeping the crony engine running such as PR, marketing, media.

 

We have in practice the Hegelian dialectic. The synthesis of which is the modern western democracy. This is why we have binary politics, so that people get a sense they have some control. It is really a false alternative in which government has become the lynch pin of Hegelian compromise.

 

The question we should be asking is not one of left vs right, but what exactly should the government be doing. As it is we are gradually seeing a Western collapse, ethically, economically, culturally, aesthetically and far worse-philosophically. We have gone along with the flow for so long that no one has seen fit to ask where we are and why we are.

[Marblehead]

don't know where this is going, i guess the point is i see the danger of fascism being stronger from the left side of the spectrum.

I see it coming from both sides.  They are just using different methods.

[wilfred]

i like the term 'regressive left' that has gained more traction lately:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left

 

as if to demonstrate the point they have been trying to get the article pulled from wikipedia...

[Karl]

i like the term 'regressive left' that has gained more traction lately:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left

 

as if to demonstrate the point they have been trying to get the article pulled from wikipedia...

 

As I said previously "tolerance is appeasement dressed in glasses and a beard"

 

This is the legacy of the subjectivist philosophy of Kant, Hegel and Dewey. There is no wrong or right and therefore morals are fluid. Once one applies that principle it becomes impossible to defend anything except for the belief that there is no right and wrong.

[Taoist Texts]

As I said previously "tolerance is appeasement dressed in glasses and a beard" 

Or maybe an enslavement tool wielded by the hostile elite?

[Karl]

Or maybe an enslavement tool wielded by the hostile elite?

Does it matter ?

 

If you give a man a whip to beat you, then you can expect him to become a expert at wielding it, to the point at which he no longer needs to use it. The memory of the whip is sufficient to keep you in check.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Karl

[Apech]

Does it matter ?

 

If you give a man a whip to beat you, then you can expect him to become a expert at wielding it, to the point at which he no longer needs to use it. The memory of the whip is sufficient to keep you in check.

 

 

Do you have a basement by any chance?

[Karl]

Do you have a basement by any chance?

No, but I do have a garage equipped with a blow torch, mole grips, wire brushes, drill bits and a grinder :-0

 

If you are up for a bit of mechanical application ;-)

Edited January 14, 2016 by Karl

[Apech]

No, but I do have a garage equipped with a blow torch, mole grips, wire brushes, drill bits and a grinder :-0

 

If you are up for a bit of mechanical application ;-)

 

 

Ouch no thanks.

[Michael Sternbach]

What precisely do you mean by a shift to the right ? Left and right are both collectives only separated by a minor variation in economics -the right has the means of production nominally in private ownership.

 

I am using this terminology here in its common (although admittedly somewhat vague) sense as one's overall political orientation which is expressive of their world view.

 

What we have in Europe is floods of immigrants the vast majority who are young males. Their culture is very different to that of the West and their religion is anti-western. This would be bad enough as something representing a potential flash point, but infact it's a real flashpoint.

 

Not all of them are young males, and among those who are, a majority is well behaved, for all I know.

 

These people have been welcomed into Europe with a bill footed by the taxpayer. Now it's emerging that not only are some of them bent on jihadism, but that they are molesting and raping women and authorities have been complicit in hushing it up.

 

Responsible individuals should be arrested and sentenced, no question about that.

 

What we have is liberal values of tolerance finding that reality bites hard. The feminists find their tacit support of open door immigration has backfired badly. Tolerance is really just appeasement in glasses and a beard. People are clearly angry- not of course the high minded academics and champagne socialists, but the average guy/girl on the street who has begun to fear for their lives. The reaction to that pressure isn't 'right wing ' it is the normal reaction of a person who must defend their own life and property against those who would take it.

 

What I consider a shift to the right has got to do with blanket judgements against refugees and indifference regarding genuine war victims. Typically, when people feel threatened, they suspend their neocortex and resort to more primitive parts of the brain. In other words, they exhibit a sharp drop in intelligence.

[Michael Sternbach]

The Hero of Cologne: How a 7ft tall hotel doorman and ex-kickboxing champ saved two women from the New Year's sex mob 

• Hotel doorman Ivan Jurcevic, 44, is being hailed as the 'hero of Cologne'
• He took on 'sex mob' of men responsible for the New Year's Eve attacks
• The seven foot tall, 130kg kick boxer has won five world championships 

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395967/The-Hero-Cologne-7ft-tall-hotel-doorman-ex-kickboxing-champ-saved-two-women-New-Year-s-sex-mob.html#ixzz3xDRgXSqf 

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He shifted to the right.

 

I don't understand. Whether he shifted to the right or left solely depends on which foot he kicked the scum with.

 

Speaking to MailOnline, Mr Jurcevic said: 'There were four of them, young men in their 20s, speaking Arabic. They told me not to interfere, that the girls were "theirs".

'The girls looked like they worked in a bank, they were wearing jeans and coats, nothing provocative, they were really frightened. I told them to stand behind me.'

'Then the loudest member of the gang came at me with a bottle so I kicked him in the chest and sent him flying. Another came at me so I slapped him across the face and he went over as well.

'The leader drew his finger across his throat and told me he would be back to kill me. I stood my ground and they went on their way.'

 

 

Thats just appalling. How dared he!

 

I would never say that. In fact, I encourage people to learn how to defend themselves (rather than relying on the "authorities").

 

Your bashing me with this story just demonstrates the truth of the last two sentences of my previous post.

[Michael Sternbach]

Well, as I have mentioned once before; if you ever find me doing that please let me know as it will mean that I have been lying to someone.

 

Sure, MH. If I ever find you expressing anything but Anarchism (with a capital A), I will do my best to guide you back to it.

[Taoist Texts]

Typically, when people feel threatened, they suspend their neocortex and resort to more primitive parts of the brain. In other words, they exhibit a sharp drop in intelligence.

Hmm, feel threatened. When they do that does it mean there was a real danger or they were just stupid to begin with?

[Karl]

I am using this terminology here in its common (although admittedly somewhat vague) sense as one's overall political orientation which is expressive of their world view.

 

 

 

Not all of them are young males, and among those who are, a majority is well behaved, for all I know.

 

 

 

Responsible individuals should be arrested and sentenced, no question about that.

 

 

 

What I consider a shift to the right has got to do with blanket judgements against refugees and indifference regarding genuine war victims. Typically, when people feel threatened, they suspend their neocortex and resort to more primitive parts of the brain. In other words, they exhibit a sharp drop in intelligence.

 

That's why we have a Government that is supposed to have taken away our need for violent action in order that we all live under one law. This isn't happening. Instead the Government has abdicated its responsibility to protect the people and acting irresponsibly and allowed a group of people to live in the country without any duty of care to its existing citizens. What's more they have covered up the crimes and are in the process of trying to calm tensions instead of arresting the miscreants. It's a bloody disaster. It's not as if they didn't know there would be problems as they already have problems in immigrant enclaves spread throughout Europe.

[Brian]

Personally, I think the left vs right dichotomy may once have held water but was long ago hijacked by those who seek to divide us and pit us against each other while they quietly subordinate us.

 

I think it takes on a very different perspective when we look at society as a mutually agreed upon exchange of personal energy and then decide on an individual basis whether we think minimal or maximal government seems the more prudent approach in the long run.

[Karl]

Personally, I think the left vs right dichotomy may once have held water but was long ago hijacked by those who seek to divide us and pit us against each other while they quietly subordinate us.

I think it takes on a very different perspective when we look at society as a mutually agreed upon exchange of personal energy and then decide on an individual basis whether we think minimal or maximal government seems the more prudent approach in the long run.

 

Quite possible Brian. I've tended to avoid conspiracy theories as it tends to clouds things.

[Marblehead]

Quite possible Brian. I've tended to avoid conspiracy theories as it tends to clouds things.

But some of those theories have ended up being the truth.

[Brian]

Quite possible Brian. I've tended to avoid conspiracy theories as it tends to clouds things.

No shadowy cabal of Bond villains needed, just well-intentioned do-gooders out to help the ignorant masses against their will because the ignorant masses just don't know what's good for them. It is all out in the open for anyone who wishes to look beyond the Kabuki masks.

[Chang]

 

 

What I consider a shift to the right has got to do with blanket judgements against refugees and indifference regarding genuine war victims. Typically, when people feel threatened, they suspend their neocortex and resort to more primitive parts of the brain. In other words, they exhibit a sharp drop in intelligence.

 

It is very much a case of survival instinct kicking in. The left wing liberal elite are very quick to point the finger when this occurs but can you blame native populations for wishing to protect their way of life against the incursion of an alian culture?

 

As has already been pointed out at length Europeans are feeling betrayed by their elected representatives who not only ignore the problems of mass immigration but have actively assisted those gaining illegal entry. This is not a problem that will simply vanish. Action will eventually have to be taken and the longer things are allowed to continue in the present manner then the more drastic that action will  eventually have to be.

 

The Liberals and Champagne Socialists can deny that this is so but sooner or later the truth of the matter will come to bite them on the backside.

[Karl]

No shadowy cabal of Bond villains needed, just well-intentioned do-gooders out to help the ignorant masses against their will because the ignorant masses just don't know what's good for them. It is all out in the open for anyone who wishes to look beyond the Kabuki masks.

 

Once I looked into the shadowy world of Cecil Rhodes, the Fabian's, MK ultra, Oxford university, Yale, UNESCO and a hundred other interconnected groups I was minded to write a novel based loosely around multiple groups seeking common ground for their aims. I'm in the middle of it now. Makes it more fun as fiction than having to consider the reality.

[Karl]

But some of those theories have ended up being the truth.

 

Most of them, but then we don't always know if that was manufactured truth or real truth.

[Zhongyongdaoist]

No shadowy cabal of Bond villains needed, just well-intentioned do-gooders out to help the ignorant masses against their will because the ignorant masses just don't know what's good for them. It is all out in the open for anyone who wishes to look beyond the Kabuki masks.

 

Look no further than:

 

 

There are only superheros behind those masks.  Ask anyone.  Really.

[Brian]

 

Look no further than:

 

 

There are only superheros behind those masks.  Ask anyone.  Really.

Those Troma documentaries are the best!