the deletion or hiding of posts without explanation

[Marblehead]

Ok... Maybe now I have changed my perspective.

I would never expect that.

[Marblehead]

... or so I hope

Evolving into being a Dreamer, are you?

[Marblehead]

I would prefer if Owner Permissions were not applied to General Discussion - I think there's a good argument for them in specialist sections where keeping on topic is more important.  General is more like an on-going discussion which ranges all over the place and it will be very frustrating to find the OP deleting interesting bits when you have been away for a while.

The power to remove posts already exist in the Personal Practice sub-forums.  I don't visit them.  It all sub-forums are structured that way it is likely that the only threads I visit will be the ones I originate, which really aren't many.  And then you will be able to catch up with my post count in no time.

[gatito]

That was likely the last area to have it applied for reasons you mentioned... and that newbies might be caught off guard with it getting used in General.

 

So I do agree with your point and why it was last; just to make the board more consistent.   

 

Let's see who 'seconds' the idea

 

I second that Owner Permissions should not be applied to General Discussion.

[gatito]

What?  When have you ever heard me whining?

 

http://thedaobums.com/topic/40358-well-and-anarchy/#entry670508

[Brian]

 

I second that Owner Permissions should not be applied to General Discussion.

I agree.

[Jonesboy]

Me too.

[Marblehead]

http://thedaobums.com/topic/40358-well-and-anarchy/#entry670508

That post did not exist when you made your statement.

 

And that is not whining.  That is stating a fact.

 

You see, in this sub-forum and in the "Off Topic" sub-forum we can still discuss a concept and try to arrive at an understanding.

 

If I were to say something and then someone else deleted what I said I might just as well have been pissing in the wind.

 

I do not nor will I ever allow anyone to control my freedom of speech. 

 

I mean, what the fuck?  Even in a court of law I have the right to clarify something I have said and to question my accuser.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Marblehead

[Marblehead]

I second that Owner Permissions should not be applied to General Discussion.

Or any fuckin' where except in the Personal Practice sub-forum as it has always been.

[dawei]

I second that Owner Permissions should not be applied to General Discussion.

 

I agree.

 

Me too.

 

General no longer has Owner's Permissions...

 

 

Or any fuckin' where except in the Personal Practice sub-forum as it has always been.

 

You were outvoted 

[Marblehead]

You were outvoted 

I don't give a shit.

 

The board doesn't want me posting, I won't post. 

[Michael Sternbach]

General no longer has Owner's Permissions...

 

For the record, I support this decision too.

[Marblehead]

I disagree.  Too little with no effect.

 

There were already two sub-forums where members could post and control to their heart's content.

 

This is not even a public forum anymore.

[Tibetan_Ice]

It is funny to see the trolls squawk when they get their posts removed isn't it? I haven't had so much fun in a long time.

 

It is even funnier to learn that I can hide other posts in threads that are not mine. I can even edit the titles!!!!

 

See, I changed http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/

 

I would suggest that before you guys implement new policies, that you actually confirm that the software works the way it is supposed to through empirical testing.

 

Right now, anyone with owner's permissions can go edit any body else's Topic title and hide posts in threads that they did not start. Or perhaps it is only in threads that the poster with Owner's permissions posts in?   I will leave your debugging to your computer experts.

 

[zerostao]

a couple of weeks ago i visited a thread and i had mod abilities on a thread i didnt start or had posted on.

i thought that was a little odd

[Zhongyongdaoist]

It is funny to see the trolls squawk when they get their posts removed isn't it? I haven't had so much fun in a long time.

 

It is even funnier to learn that I can hide other posts in threads that are not mine. I can even edit the titles!!!!

 

See, I changed http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/

 

I would suggest that before you guys implement new policies, that you actually confirm that the software works the way it is supposed to through empirical testing.

 

Right now, anyone with owner's permissions can go edit any body else's Topic title and hide posts in threads that they did not start. Or perhaps it is only in threads that the poster with Owner's permissions posts in?   I will leave your debugging to your computer experts.

 

 

This was why the agreement to "abide by the rules", there is no way to give people this type of "mod" power over their own threads without opening up such a possibility to others who also have owner's permissions.  Messing with other people's threads or posts will get you in trouble and you will lose those powers, but yes, you can really mess with other people's posts the whole idea was that people would exercise such rights responsibly.

 

I didn't like the idea of owner's permission's and I still don't, but I had a thread that was being ruined by a well known conspiracy theorist here, I tolerated it as long as I could, and even experimented with bridging over his long rambling posts, so as to maintain a certain level of continuity to my exposition, but his trolling spam eventually got to be too much and I had to remove it.  I only did this after several requests that I remove it for the sake of the thread.  I even locked it so I wouldn't have to worry about it.  Since then I have not been able to get back to working on it because of other commitments.  I hope to get back to it eventually.

[Brian]

This was why the agreement to "abide by the rules", there is no way to give people this type of "mod" power over their own threads without opening up such a possibility to others who also have owner's permissions.  Messing with other people's threads or posts will get you in trouble and you will lose those powers, but yes, you can really mess with other people's posts the whole idea was that people would exercise such rights responsibly.

 

I didn't like the idea of owner's permission's and I still don't, but I had a thread that was being ruined by a well known conspiracy theorist here, I tolerated it as long as I could, and even experimented with bridging over his long rambling posts, so as to maintain a certain level of continuity to my exposition, but his trolling spam eventually got to be too much and I had to remove it.  I only did this after several requests that I remove it for the sake of the thread.  I even locked it so I wouldn't have to worry about it.  Since then I have not been able to get back to working on it because of other commitments.  I hope to get back to it eventually.

I hope you'll get back to it eventually, too! I found that thread quite interesting.

[rex]

It is even funnier to learn that I can hide other posts in threads that are not mine. I can even edit the titles!!!!

 

See, I changed http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/]http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/[/url]

 

 

Ooh! Mystery solved perhaps? My post went missing in that thread- was that you? I've pm'd Apech to see if he removed it, but it would be a bit odd if he did considering that he had hit the thanks button. Edited January 27, 2016 by rex

[dawei]

It is funny to see the trolls squawk when they get their posts removed isn't it? I haven't had so much fun in a long time.

 

It is even funnier to learn that I can hide other posts in threads that are not mine. I can even edit the titles!!!!

 

See, I changed http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/

 

I would suggest that before you guys implement new policies, that you actually confirm that the software works the way it is supposed to through empirical testing.

 

Right now, anyone with owner's permissions can go edit any body else's Topic title and hide posts in threads that they did not start. Or perhaps it is only in threads that the poster with Owner's permissions posts in?   I will leave your debugging to your computer experts.

 

 

The basic member agreement (honest policy) is that you only use Owner's Permission on threads you start.   As you did not start that thread where you modified the title, that was in violation of the agreement.

 

That was tested, known and explained in the write-up.

 

Due to the lack of complete software control, we're going to see folks not realize what they can and can't do at times and they may do something the didn't realize they shouldn't do.  

 

The best we can do is continue to discuss the proper ways of using the tools provided.

 

 

Added:  These tools are not just an exercise in self-moderation but self-control 

[Apech]

Ooh! Mystery solved perhaps? My post went missing in that thread- was that you? I've pm'd Apech to see if he removed it, but it would be a bit odd if he did considering that he had hit the thanks button.

 

 

No I didn't remove it so I suggest T_I did.

 

I would suggest this is not responsible use or respectful of others.

[Chang]

Due to the lack of complete software control, we're going to see folks not realize what they can and can't do at times and they may do something the didn't realize they shouldn't do.  

 

Classic. Quote of the week.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Chang

[Apech]

Classic. Quote of the week.

 

I can't do what I didn't realise I shouldn't do ... officer.

[dawei]

Ooh! Mystery solved perhaps? My post went missing in that thread- was that you? I've pm'd Apech to see if he removed it, but it would be a bit odd if he did considering that he had hit the thanks button.

 

 

No I didn't remove it so I suggest T_I did.

 

I would suggest this is not responsible use or respectful of others.

 

I've unhidden the post.

 

I would recommend folks test 'hiding' one of their own posts... not someone else's.... particularly NOT in someone else's thread

[Apech]

I've unhidden the post.

 

I would recommend folks test 'hiding' one of their own posts... not someone else's.... particularly NOT in someone else's thread

 

 

Why couldn't I see it as pink hidden if I had owners perms. for that thread?

 

I would question the idea of 'testing' in this case.

[Tibetan_Ice]

The basic member agreement (honest policy) is that you only use Owner's Permission on threads you start. As you did not start that thread where you modified the title, that was in violation of the agreement.

 

That was tested, known and explained in the write-up.

 

Due to the lack of complete software control, we're going to see folks not realize what they can and can't do at times and they may do something the didn't realize they shouldn't do.

 

The best we can do is continue to discuss the proper ways of using the tools provided.

 

 

Added: These tools are not just an exercise in self-moderation but self-control

I see! That last sentence means that you can but you should not

 

What you are not allowed to do and when you cannot use owner permissions to:

 

In Threads you DID NOT start, YOU CANNOT:

Remove nor edit others posts

Remove others threads

Use the 'owner permissions' in any way which interferes with another's posts or another's thread.

Currently, there is no software means to only enable these permissions when you are the Thread Owner.

 

The wording here is ambiguous. It should say "should not" instead of "cannot".

This implies that a poster is capable of doing so, but should not do so. Saying "cannot" implies that it is not possible to do so.

 

And that last sentence would be allot clearer if it said "Currently, there is no software means to restrict owner permissions to just threads where you are the Thread Owner, therefore owner permissions enable anyone with owner permissions in a forum or sub forum to edit titles, Hide the entire thread or Hide a single post in a thread which they did not start."

 

Being a systems analyst for over thirty years, my instincts were to test the software to see what worked and what didn't. I thought that I shouldn't be able to hide topics in threads that I did not own. The software should have prevented that. But now I understand the ramifications of the last sentence in the quote in the terms of agreement.

 

I would also like to apologize for hiding a post in a thread that was not mine and changing a title just to see if I could do it. There was no malicious intent as I was just testing the software.

 

The implications are staggering, however. Do you mean that anyone with owners permissions can go into any thread that they don't own and hide posts? That is shocking! Who is going to monitor their threads to see if someone went into an old thread and hid posts? Are any moderators reviewing hidden posts to make sure that the user whom hid the post actually owned the thread? Doesn't that incur even more work for the mods?

 

Further, after I hid a post, I could not find a method to "unhide" the post. And, because I could no longer see the hidden post, I could not get a URL or index number to the hidden post so that I could request that a mod unhide it. Very sloppy software programming!

 

Now that I know that anyone with owners permissions can go into any thread and hide posts or threads and change titles, I find this quite objectionable.

 

You know, I work for a very large organization and if the software that I support lets people do things that they shouldn't, they still do it anyway, and incurs allot more man hours to rectify situations than if the software simply prevents the user from doing things they shouldn't in the first place.

 

So again, I apologize if my testing disturbed anyone, Apech included.

 

Now excuse while I go wipe out all of Alwayson's posts from my threads in the Buddhist forum (kidding)...

Edited January 28, 2016 by Tibetan_Ice