the deletion or hiding of posts without explanation

[gatito]

Now that I know that anyone with owners permissions can go into any thread and hide posts or threads and change titles, I find this quite objectionable.

 

I guess that in common with a few other members, you're just going to have move on in your life and learn to live with that now...

 

[Marblehead]

We do not have to accept the unacceptable.

[gatito]

We do not have to accept the unacceptable.

 

That's certainly the case now...

[Tibetan_Ice]

I guess that in common with a few other members, you're just going to have move on in your life and learn to live with that now...

 

I have had lots of practice with detachment from learning Buddhism. You should try it sometimes..

[gatito]

I have had lots of practice with detachment from learning Buddhism. You should try it sometimes..

 

I did try it T_I (albeit for a relatively short time) - as well as several other things - but then I moved on to something that actually makes sense in the light of my own direct first-hand experience.

 

Perhaps you didn't notice the sea-change?

[Brian]

I see! That last sentence means that you can but you should not

 

The wording here is ambiguous. It should say "should not" instead of "cannot".

This implies that a poster is capable of doing so, but should not do so. Saying "cannot" implies that it is not possible to do so.

 

And that last sentence would be allot clearer if it said "Currently, there is no software means to restrict owner permissions to just threads where you are the Thread Owner, therefore owner permissions enable anyone with owner permissions in a forum or sub forum to edit titles, Hide the entire thread or Hide a single post in a thread which they did not start."

 

Being a systems analyst for over thirty years, my instincts were to test the software to see what worked and what didn't. I thought that I shouldn't be able to hide topics in threads that I did not own. The software should have prevented that. But now I understand the ramifications of the last sentence in the quote in the terms of agreement.

 

I would also like to apologize for hiding a post in a thread that was not mine and changing a title just to see if I could do it. There was no malicious intent as I was just testing the software.

 

The implications are staggering, however. Do you mean that anyone with owners permissions can go into any thread that they don't own and hide posts? That is shocking! Who is going to monitor their threads to see if someone went into an old thread and hid posts? Are any moderators reviewing hidden posts to make sure that the user whom hid the post actually owned the thread? Doesn't that incur even more work for the mods?

 

Further, after I hid a post, I could not find a method to "unhide" the post. And, because I could no longer see the hidden post, I could not get a URL or index number to the hidden post so that I could request that a mod unhide it. Very sloppy software programming!

 

Now that I know that anyone with owners permissions can go into any thread and hide posts or threads and change titles, I find this quite objectionable.

 

You know, I work for a very large organization and if the software that I support lets people do things that they shouldn't, they still do it anyway, and incurs allot more man hours to rectify situations than if the software simply prevents the user from doing things they shouldn't in the first place.

 

So again, I apologize if my testing disturbed anyone, Apech included.

 

Now excuse while I go wipe out all of Alwayson's posts from my threads in the Buddhist forum (kidding)...

Your instinct as a professional systems analyst is to conduct functionality tests in a production system without being asked to do so? If you don't understand working parameters or an SOW, or think it appropriate, you think you should take that as license to run amok with other people's data?

 

Curious.

[gatito]

... and incidentally, you'll note that I've now deleted the only post of mine that you chose to leave in your thread. And I only posted in your thread because I was reasonably certain that you'd delete what I'd said using your newly acquired Owner Permissions.

 

It was a calculated manoeuvre and one that relied heavily on the teachings Sun Tzu, so I hope that any Taoists here will actually appreciate the subtleties of what went down.

 

Bear in mind also that the ground was prepared months ago and I only need to wait for the right conditions to manifest so that I could flow with them instead of against them.

 

As Owner, it would have been much wiser of you to have left that particular thread intact...

 

In fact, it was your lack of detachment that led to to press the delete button.

 

To delete or not to delete, that is the question (now...)

[Daeluin]

Once upon a time I was walking, and crossed paths with another being. Our eyes met, and my hackles raised. Cautiously, we edged closer, step by step. Then I was right in front of it. And I made an face that expressed my distrust and aversion before happily moving on past, knowing that even should this being attempt violence towards me, the myriad surveillance devices and counter-conduct-mechanisms would prevent it from doing anything to me. The lasers might even get it. Ahahaha.

 

Once upon a time I was walking, and crossed paths with another being. Our eyes met, and my hackles raised. Cautiously, we edged closer, step by step. Then I simply walked on past, fully aware, and content to trust that whatever should happen, I would adapt in kind.

 

---

 

While controlled environments do provide some consistent delivery of expectation, they are often inflexible. By opening the box can we explore with more freedom, though this comes at the price of exposure to the unknown.

 

If there were resources to fuel a programming project that might be different. Speaking personally, I'm proud of what the staff has been able to do with the limitations of the software, and how the community continues to adapt to these changes.

[gatito]

Contributors to this forum would be wise to read, digest, understand and integrate the basics of this material before proceeding any further...

 

There's a sweet irony that link to it was pointed out here on April Fools' Day last year...

 

However, the method is sound (although it requires skilled participants and skilled facilitators) and even NASA has bought into it: -

 

Edited January 28, 2016 by gatito

[gatito]

Particularly note that it's "an approach to purpose-driven leadership" as opposed to an approach to starting (or prolonging) another war..

[gatito]

...we are not ready to do Open Space. When we are:

1. without a real business issue, nobody cares.
2. without complexity, there is really no reason to have a meeting (solve it!).
3. without diversity there is not sufficient richness in the points of view to achieve novel solutions.
4. without passion and conflict—there is no juice to move things along.
5. without a real sense of urgency, all that wonderful passion loses focus and power.

Source: ibid

[Tibetan_Ice]

Your instinct as a professional systems analyst is to conduct functionality tests in a production system without being asked to do so? If you don't understand working parameters or an SOW, or think it appropriate, you think you should take that as license to run amok with other people's data?

Curious.

Yup. There is no test system and since when do you believe the vendor's claims or the programmers' first iteration?

 

Besides, I had to know what others can do and the only way to find out is to try and see.

 

Nothing I did was irreversible and if the DBA's have auditing turned on in SQL, they should have a record. I am well aware.

 

I would also debate your idea that it is other people's data. Once a post is posted on a forum, isn't the content of the post now owned by the public domain? If it were not public domain, then surely the site owner has no right to alter any data nor delete any data as it would be an infringement of writers' copyright. I don't recall seeing a comprehensive copyright waiver when I joined TTB many years ago.

Edited January 28, 2016 by Tibetan_Ice

[Nungali]

It's a secret technique that I'm developing to give certain people Level 72c rainbow bodies...

 

Gosh ... I just assumed that  the people on a forum that has to with dao would just be amused at any  wind ups ... because they would be impervious ... or bounce it back . 

[Nungali]

... I think that I've achieved some small degree of success with Apech and Marblehead and I was wondering if you'd like to be next...?

 

 

Next ?    That all depends .   On .....   on    ....     things  . 

[Tibetan_Ice]

Ooh! Mystery solved perhaps? My post went missing in that thread- was that you? I've pm'd Apech to see if he removed it, but it would be a bit odd if he did considering that he had hit the thanks button.

 

Yes, that was me. Sorry. I apologize.

But you must admit, it was quite a wake up call when you realize that your post disappeared.

 

I think Apech was awakened big time today too.

[Nungali]

Hmm... The Dao Feudalists?

 

17th C  feudalists more like it 

 

plenty of demons , threats of violence , wizards and sages 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Me ?  I'm content at the moment to be a humble sea cucumber spirit . 

[dawei]

So again, I apologize if my testing disturbed anyone, Apech included.

 

Thanks.   I think we can move on from this.  

 

But what was the original thread title of Apech's thread so he or I can change it back?

[Nungali]

I would prefer if Owner Permissions were not applied to General Discussion - I think there's a good argument for them in specialist sections where keeping on topic is more important.  General is more like an on-going discussion which ranges all over the place and it will be very frustrating to find the OP deleting interesting bits when you have been away for a while.

 

 

I thought it was only in special sections !    But I do remember one instance being removed in general  .....  thats right ... the reason I assumed was ... well    funny .   

 

No, I wouldnt like to see a lot of them in General and OT .   

[Nungali]

What?  When have you ever heard me whining?

 

 

Once .... we were driving  past  a winery  and you went   <in a very whiny voice >  "Ohhh  Noooo  .... a winery !  "  

[Tibetan_Ice]

Thanks. I think we can move on from this.

 

But what was the original thread title of Apech's thread so he or I can change it back?

Here is the link. http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/#entry670587

 

Change "PussyCat" to "Vagina".

 

Don't laugh too hard...

[Nungali]

I second that Owner Permissions should not be applied to General Discussion.

 

 

So now the motion is seconded, I move to have it voted on . 

[Tibetan_Ice]

Also, have you considered what might happen if some troll decided to go rogue and alter or delete tons of posts as act of vengeance? They could start with the older posts and work their way back. Nobody would know, would they?

[Nungali]

It is funny to see the trolls squawk when they get their posts removed isn't it? I haven't had so much fun in a long time.

 

It is even funnier to learn that I can hide other posts in threads that are not mine. I can even edit the titles!!!!

 

See, I changed http://thedaobums.com/topic/39785-take-me-to-the-cosmic-pussycat-inside-tibets-secret-tantric-temple/

 

I would suggest that before you guys implement new policies, that you actually confirm that the software works the way it is supposed to through empirical testing.

 

Right now, anyone with owner's permissions can go edit any body else's Topic title and hide posts in threads that they did not start. Or perhaps it is only in threads that the poster with Owner's permissions posts in?   I will leave your debugging to your computer experts.

 

 

 

What ! ? 

[Tibetan_Ice]

So now the motion is seconded, I move to have it voted on .

Great idea! Do a poll! But then this isn't a democracy is it?

[Nungali]

I hope you'll get back to it eventually, too! I found that thread quite interesting.

 

and very well self moderated