shanlung Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Well done.....cat eat cooked rice in Japan! Cats are obligate carnivore unlike dogs. Cats do not have the ability to make many amino acids and use vitamins the way omnivore creatures, including dogs can. Even if cats have 90 lifes, the cats will die very soon on a vegan or even vegetarian kind of diet. Cats have little ability to form niacin or arginine and taurine, found only in animal protein. They must have meat, preferably raw meat, to remain healthy. So even though the mash I made for birds have lots of vege proteins from the different beans, supplying different kind of amino acids, I need to include a high portion of animal protein into kitty mash as well to make sure they get the amino acids that they needed. And that's only in just the mash that I made for them. And you seen in photos above I went further to add ommp to the mash as well. The Japanese, or anyone, are not going to keep healthy cats feeding them cooked rice and scraps and leftovers from their meals. Cooking for cats and preparing food for cats should not be tried unless you do know. A bit too difficult to get into details here especially as many of my steps were embedded in my sub conscious and therefore I might not even have written on them. On the other hand, I could have lived very healthily on the leftovers of my cats and my birdies. They had a far healthier and better diet than what I fed myself or ate in fine restaurants. Many of the beans , quinoa and cereals were from organic stores that I would never dream of buying for myself and my wife. Shanlung you are one crazy dude. The Cat Ken Hom. I never claim much sanity and better known for the idiotic things I do and say. Those food for the kitties were a thing of the past. I used to do that regularly when Ivan was with me. Sieben took advantage to be given same stuff. The most difficult task was on their days to be stoic. Ivan would jump on my lap to tread tread on my tummy and on my back to tread on my neck muzzling me on my cheek. I had very little choice but to cave in to give him at least half portion. It would be so much easier to resist if I was clawed to my marrow by hungry kitties desperate for food. I would happily kick them in the head and tell them to fuck off.. I just could not make myself as stoic as what I wanted them to be. But now that Ivan is gone and in that little porcelain jar, ( http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/37958-can-the-tao-be-found-in-a-66-hours-work-week/page-4 ) and I decided not to have birdie until I find my place to retire in, I did not cook mash anymore. The last was before I went to Riyadh when Ivan was still with me. Sieben now got to remain content with the kibbles my wife poured out to feed him all loaded with ethoxyquin and BHA/BHTs. And yes, she cleaned his shit as well. Edited February 7, 2016 by shanlung 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) They are little devils, we keep them as 'forever kittens' for our own amusement and end up mothering them. Our cat would have a mad 20 minutes scratching everything in the front room and then paw at the door to be let out. So we would let her out and close the door. Less than a minute later she was back at the other side of the door clawing at a loose piece of wood which made an annoying clack, clack, clack sound until we opened the door and let her back in. At which point the game commenced all over again. Run, run, scratch, run, scratch, paw at door, let out, clack, clack, clack, let back in, run, run, scratch... You little b'stard im going to kill you... Edited February 7, 2016 by Karl 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 Dogs break furnitures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 I would love another cat, but after we lost one and the other died of cancer (contracted through street fighting) I no longer thought it was good practice to let them wander the streets, my wife felt it was cruel to keep them indoors. Then we got used to going on holidays without homing them and the reduced cost of food and vets made itself obvious in our budget. Congrats ....... you never got infected ! Some people are less susceptible than others .... me ? I am immune (obviously, as I would be writing this otherwise ) . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 I cook for my kitties. Not to save money, but as I wanted the best for them. The basic kitty mash Extracted from recent postings I did in Facebook aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Last well documented kitty mash here Karen Pryor//Jackie Mash 03//Sieben & Jackie // Nasty Nic shanlung: Karen Pryor//Jackie Mash 03//Sieben & Jackie // Nasty Nic In a Nat Geo documentary on wild bears feasting on salmon, when there were loads of salmon, the bears got more particular and ate only the salmon skins and eggs discarding the flesh. And recently I saw in supermarket salmon skin with bits of flesh attached were being sold at half the price of salmon fillet. I love the salmon skin (I add to my porridge and noodles and COOKED) and found kitties love raw salmon skin too. Which got me adding it to their mash. Kittie mash by the way need not have raw salmon skin or mince meat added. Those were already cooked into the mash. 2nd last batch of mash had 200 gms of dried anchovies, 750 grams of pork mince in them. Last batch of mash had 200 grams of dried anchovies, 250 grams of pork mince, 750 gms of salmon skin cooked into it. On days when I too lazy to add more stuff, kitties happily eat the kittie mash anyway. Adding wet kittie food was a habit from the past that persisted on. From time to time, I add wheat grass and other greens to the mash. I spoil the kitties silly as I am trying to fatten them to the point I can slow cook and braise the kitties - once I can find a good recipe to slow cook kitties The salmon/pork/wet kitty food are daily addition with regular kitty mash added to 200 to 300 grams daily. Deliberately fluctuated to torment kitties with nothing regular to be faced with feast and famine at my choosing. I also think periodic clearing of their digestion tracts good and healthy as if in wild, they never will have regular meals and I try to replicate that. I think enough photos of Sieben and Ivan for you all to judge their health and scream at SPCA to lock me up for cruelty to kitties Documenting the additions that go into the total of 200 to 300 grams of mash for the 2 kitties, prepared every 4 days, hold into freezer with a baggie thawed again for the day. 100 grams of raw salmon bits and skin , 40++ grams of raw pork mince, 100 grams of wet kitty food combined with salmon and mince to 227 gms Then 130 grams mash added and well mixed by kneading to 400 grams and divided into 4 baqggies, one used for the day and other 3 into freezer typical baggie of regular kitty mash of 385 gms 4 baggies of 100 gm salmon/mince/wet kitty food/mash - which then be topped up with kitty mash to daily 200 to 300 grams fed to the horrid beasties Ummmmm ....... you are infected . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 And more I was reading that chicken gizzards and liver got more taurine then minced pork. And read that kitties got recipe that have raw gizzard and liver . Then when I saw in supermarket that gizzard and liver about half the price of salmon bits and skin, I decided kitty should have that. I bought gizzard and liver and cut that to tiny pieces, filling 4 baggies of 100 grams and a fifth baggie of 70 grams that I decided to use as see fit. I bought 100 grams of wheat grass. Took 200 grams of salmon bits and skin and cut that into smaller pieces to make 4 baggies of (100 grams gizzard/liver and 50 grams salmon bits and skin) . Added 25 grams of wheat grass chopped into small pieces. and added 90 grams of wet kitty food. Each baggie of (100+50+25+90) or 265 grams will be the additions for each group of 4 days for kitty together with the kitty mash(that total 200-300 grams /day). One thing good for kitty is that they need not worry I help myself to the gizzard and liver the way I help myself to their salmon bits and skin (discards from the aesthetic making of human grade salmon sashimi) and found that to be better than what I bought for myself. That 4 baggies will be in the freezer with one thawed and used every 4 days. I even clean their shit and litter trays too. And threatened them all the time I will twist off their heads off and toss them into the dustbin. The cat anti-bodies are still fighting back ( I see this in your last sentence ) .... come on man ! You can do it ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 I thought I might as well plagiarised into here how the kitty mash was made. I called it Jackie mash as Jackie my Indian Hill Mynah love this too. Last well documented kitty mash here Karen Pryor//Jackie Mash 03//Sieben & Jackie // Nasty Nic shanlung: Karen Pryor//Jackie Mash 03//Sieben & Jackie // Nasty Nic Jackie Mash 03// More photos in Flickr folder _ Jackie 01 -Bonding http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanlung/sets/72157628907094155/ The mash was running out with me. Especially when I noticed the kitties eating the rest of the mash around the kitty kibbles. I decided not to add kitty kibbles giving more mash instead. To the 2 kitties 180 grams JM 40 grams raw mince meat 15 grams dried anchovies 15 grams chopped wheat grass 80 grams wet kitty food All well mixed and squeezed together, 2/3 given as dinner and remaining 1/3 for breakfast. Kitty kibbles given now and then by my wife when I was home too late to fix dinner for kitties, or I too lazy to fix dinner for kitties. Pouring kitty kibbles from a box is truly so much easier and more convenient then all the weighing and squeezing and mixing. And Jackie Mash batch 03 was cooked on Wednesday evening 15 Feb. But first, a note of thanks to Mike Burton and his memory. Kitty-Jackie mash is based on Tinkerbell Mash is based on the formula for Mike’s Manna Mash created and given to the world by my good friend Mike Burton. Mike is sadly no longer with us but never will be forgotten as long as people prepare his mash or Tinkerbell Mash. All this is dedicated to Mike Burton. A friend who left us all too soon and gave the world Mike's Manna Mash and on which Tinkerbell Mash in all its forms has been based. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/mikes_manna_mash/ Original Mikes Manna Mash recipe here http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/mikes_manna_mash/files/ The memory of Mike will live on in every bit of Mike's Manna Mash or Tinkerbell Mash or kitty-Jackie mash regardless of the batch or who made it or feed on it. Two days before that, the beans and corn were soaked for 4 hours (warmer in Singapore so less time) to start the germinating and then drained of all water. They were soaked a few minutes and washed periodically until cooking. Full complete details of mash cooking should be referred to in Morning with Harry & the decision// Sultan of Oman Palace// Tinkerbell Mash Batch 7 http://shanlung.livejournal.com/109957.html Because of the new fridge, I decided more mash could be done Kitty-Jackie mash consisted of 1 measure (50 grams) of soybeans 1 measure (50 grams) of kidney beans 1 measure (50 grams) of garbonzo beans 1 measure (50 grams) of pinto beans 2 measure (50 grams) of blackeye beans 2 measure (100 grams) of Great Northern white beans (I managed to find the GNWs, or something that looked like GNWs in Mustafa at Little India, Singapore a couple weeks ago) 1 measure (50 grams) of red beans 1 measure (50 grams) of green beans 1 measure (50 grams) of black beans 1 measure (50 grams) of baby lima beans 1 measure (50 grams) of butter beans (which looked like lima beans) 1 measure (0 grams)of corn (I decided to nyet corn ) 1 measure (50 grams) of peas 1 measure (120 grams) of human grade groundnuts(peanuts) 1 measure (200 grams) of quinoa 1 measure (200 grams) of brown crushed barley 1 measure (200 grams) of black glutinious rice 1 measure (200 grams) of red rice 1 measure (200 grams) of brown rolled oats 1 measure (200 grams) of brown rolled wheat berries ( I decided to use more cereal. Just my choice. I liked crushed or rolled grains ) 1 measure (100 grams) of yellow millet measure (950 grams) of sweet potatoes grated measure (610 grams) of carrots grated 3 tablespoon of wheat germ 200 grams of dried anchovies 400 grams of mince chicken. I parboiled the sweet potatoes and carrots for 5 minutes and cooled them for handling. I find grating parboiled sweet potatoes and carrots to be a lot easier. As said, it looks like GNW, next to soya beans black eye beans & germinating baby lima beans and green peas kidney beans, germinating chick peas and butter beans germinating pinto beans, germinating groundnuts, germinating black beans All the beans & peanuts were brought to boil for about 5 minutes to parboil them. After cooling that, they all went into the blender to liquidise them. They were then placed into pot and water added to allow them to boil nicely and boiled for another 10 minutes or so. Part of that was cooled to add to blender to blend 200 grams of dried anchovies for the protein and the calcium. Part of that liquidised bean mash soup taken out to mix in the grated sweet potatoes carrots , the chicken mince, 3 tablespoon of wheat germ. They all got back into the pot and boiled. Just enough water added to allow boiling. Then all the quinoa, millet and cereals were added when boiling was good and strong. Stirred well for a minute or so until it got difficult to stir. Fire turned off and they left to cook themselves. That got me 9775 grams of Jackie/kitty mash batch 03 into 25 baggies. Arrrrgggghhhh ! Stop it ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Shanlung you are one crazy dude. The Cat Ken Hom. crazily infested with cat virus ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Pets in general,people in Japan they feed their pets from what they couldn't finish their meal what has remained. If that happens here , what does not go into the compost , goes out the window .... where someone is usually waiting ; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 Well he just treat his cat like his child..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Dogs break furnitures. Must be crappy furniture . Or a giant dog ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 If that happens here , what does not go into the compost , goes out the window .... where someone is usually waiting ; Yeah all right,some people today have funny pets! My Jimmy is waiting at home,Jimmy is a tiger! Something like that..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Well he just treat his cat like his child..... When cat disease is really bad in humans .... they treat cat better than child ! And most people treat their cat better than they treat other humans . Suckers ! "Thats right .... keep on slaving away to supply me in food and comfort - stupid humans. " 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Yeah all right,some people today have funny pets! My Jimmy is waiting at home,Jimmy is a tiger! Something like that..... ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 What!really?! I never look at it(a cat)that way.But I understand what you mean there are difference between people who only like cat and who like dogs.To me cat is cat,dog is dog but you can theach dog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 ? Are you saying my hubby is a pet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 No . But it looked like you were .... they way you put these sentences together "Yeah all right,some people today have funny pets! My Jimmy is waiting at home,Jimmy is a tiger! Something like that..... " I was just putting 2 and 2 together ..... But I suppose it could mean something else ; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 You have a creative thoughts..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted February 7, 2016 When cat disease is really bad in humans .... they treat cat better than child ! And most people treat their cat better than they treat other humans . Suckers ! "Thats right .... keep on slaving away to supply me in food and comfort - stupid humans. " You realise you are ascribing notions of human reason to an animal at this juncture ? I mean the owner, not the cat :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 7, 2016 Stop being so homocentric about reason .... humans do not have a monopoly on reason. Actually, many of them cant seem to find reason, know the reason for their actions or be reasonable . The cats want you to think that way .... it preserves their position on top of the pile ( shag pile ) . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 7, 2016 This is true. My dogs are telling me to put my hubby into the cage..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) It's nothing to do with cat,but some people in Australia they have 'Koala bear'as pet?! Edited February 8, 2016 by Junko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted February 8, 2016 Are you saying my hubby is a pet? I'm confused -- are you saying that is your husband? He is younger than I expected for some reason... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 8, 2016 It's nothing to do with cat,but some people in Australia they have 'Koala bear'as pet?! No way ... to nasty ! I discourage them by leaving food out .... with a nasty surprise in it ! ..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junko Posted February 8, 2016 Pictures and your brain are one! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
