LAOLONG Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) . Edited February 13, 2016 by sanfeng Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted February 12, 2016 No, observational philosophy does not fit in with mental conceptions, mental dis ease should be eliminated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Dao is amoral. It is non-dualistic. Beyond good and evil. Edited February 12, 2016 by Marblehead 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) hmnnn, Yes, but don't expect morality at a human level Phew, if the Dao is reading this, he won't be pissed off. Now its time to walk the (straw) dogs. Edited February 12, 2016 by thelerner 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 12, 2016 hmnnn, Yes, but don't expect morality at a human level Phew, if the Dao is reading this, he won't be pissed off. Now its time to walk the (straw) dogs. I challenge your answer "Yes". Just look at what it has done to Mars and Venus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted February 12, 2016 I challenge your answer "Yes". Just look at what it has done to Mars and Venus. Mars and Venus seem pretty happy. Mars has its warlike monsters, Venus has her beautiful woman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted February 12, 2016 Ttc ch5 Heaven and Earth are not kind: The ten thousand things are straw dogs to them. The Sage is not kind: People are straw dogs to him. We've discussed this in the DDJ sub-area... but I finally came to the opinion to take the words very literally: Bu Ren: Not Ren... thus, leaving Ren untranslated but which is a hallmark of Confucian thought as humanness or benevolence. Thus: Not [Enter anything you can conjure] 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 12, 2016 Mars and Venus seem pretty happy. Mars has its warlike monsters, Venus has her beautiful woman. But Venus is hot as hell and Mars is cold as heaven? No, that didn't work out well. Second try. But both Venus and Mars are lifeless. Only a very small representation of the totality of Dao. They could even be viewed as dualities of Dao even though I have suggested many times that Dao is beyond dualities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dust Posted February 12, 2016 hmnnn, Yes, but don't expect morality at a human level Morality is the human level. What is it but what we say it is? Is tao moral? We created morals for our own benefit. We apply them when we feel it benefits us to, when we remember to, when it makes us feel warm inside. The Big Whatsit has no gains, no losses; doesn't care whether things are warm or cold. Does not 'care' at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilumairen Posted February 13, 2016 We've discussed this in the DDJ sub-area... but I finally came to the opinion to take the words very literally: Bu Ren: Not Ren... thus, leaving Ren untranslated but which is a hallmark of Confucian thought as humanness or benevolence. Thus: Not [Enter anything you can conjure] I like this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted February 13, 2016 First off, we would have to define "moral". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted February 13, 2016 I like this. I'm glad you like it... and I'll show you how it works: NOT [ First off, we would have to define "moral". ] 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted February 13, 2016 Perhaps Heaven and Earth aren't the Dao. Perhaps the Dao is the most benevolent "thing", because it permits Heaven and Earth to continue on as they are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilumairen Posted February 13, 2016 I'm glad you like it... and I'll show you how it works: NOT [ ] :laughter: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted February 13, 2016 Morals = right wrong, good bad Thankfully Lao Tzu addresses this to help humanity heal from this mental illness and conditioning by the owners of such false perceptions and points the way to true freedom. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted February 13, 2016 It's neither moral nor unmoral. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted February 13, 2016 The Tao is neither moral nor immoral. It could be described as amoral but as it is above all of these man made concepts that would not be correct either. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted February 15, 2016 it is good beyond human good and evil 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 15, 2016 it is good beyond human good and evil Yes, one must conclude that. Even with all the destruction that can be observed in the universe it must be concluded that the results are the processes that lead to something more balanced, more in harmony. The general thought is that had it not been for the meteor that hit the Earth 65 million years ago man, and most mammals, would not have evolved. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted February 15, 2016 on the other hand its easy to see why people might feel nihilistic, depressed, pissed off, negative and so forth unless they are close to and living in impartial natural world of bounty instead of in a soul crushing life as a suffering human being seemingly abandoned by Tao... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 15, 2016 Yep. Without a doubt. Why me? The rain falls. Those in the area where it is raining get wet. Those outside the area get no rain. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted February 15, 2016 The Sun shines and rain falls on the good and wicked alike. Tao plays no favorites and treats all as straw dogs. Yet for me there is no doubt that a good man reaps greater benefit from the Tao, than the demonic. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted February 15, 2016 since when does a good Mother treat her children as "straw dogs" in an indifferent and "could care less" context.... thus that term straw dog is very often if not almost always misused and misunderstood 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Children often think their parents (and/or the world) are being mean and cruel when things happen outside their own wisdom or understanding. This spirals outward as our awareness expands. Edited February 15, 2016 by Brian 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
