Britain and the European Union

[Karl]

BREXIT - the film. Worth watching if you are still trying to make up your mind. I wished they had launched this in DVD format so it could have been distributed, but they wouldn't do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chang]

Thank you for the link Karl. I have already forwarded this on to some dithering fence sitters.

[Karl]

http://www.boeckler.de/pdf/p_wsi_diskp_080.pdf

 

 

If anyone has a bit of time spare I woukd thoroughly recommend reading this piece of work regarding German working directives proposed by VW Germany.

 

It really shows up the vast gulf that seperates Germany from - well, let's face it, every other country in the EU.

 

In Britain we still go on about collective bargaining and workers directives applying across the country, but this isn't true of Germany at all. German companies pretty much have free market bargain making between employees, unions and management. There is no blanket as there woukd be in the UK. They also do not permit employees to drink coffee, have a chin wag or spend time pretending that Facebook is a part of the companies marketing strategy. Employees work less time, but the emphasis is on 'work'.

 

 

This is also true of Switzerland, who are not in the EU. I went there a few years back to attend a company training meeting. I couldn't get my head around the Swiss mentality. On the first day we all turned up a bare few minutes late as we had trouble finding where we needed to go-our Swiss trainers were understandably furious. The next day we turned up early-and they were equally furious. They could not understand why we didn't turn up at the exact time and, having read that report, I now understand why. We were wasting valuable work time turning up late, but we were wasting it by turning up early and forcing our trainers to abandon something equally important in order to receive us.

 

I see here why the EU will never work. We are bad enough, but the Greeks, Italians and French !! The Germans will be continually having to bail out one or other country that can't and won't pull its weight-but they can't get their heads around why these countries behave the way they do when there is a better way-the German way.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Karl

[Chang]

You have really hit the nail on the head here and it explains perfectly the treatment, by the Germans, of the pathetic Greeks after the collapse of their economy.

 

For ten years I had the misfortune to sit on a committee comprised of Germans and French as well as British. It was a source of never ending amusement to observe the Germans when something was suggested that did not fit their mindset. It was not so much a case of their being unable to understand our (British) thinking as their refusing to understand it. The French said nothing and simply voted with the Germans. It was all so much fun - rather like the E.U.

 

On first dealing with Germans I had the idea that they were super efficient. As time wore on I came to see that this was not in fact the case and they were just as useless as everyone else. They were however oblivious to this fact. The French could not see this and if ever in doubt always approached the Germans to be advised how to think.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Chang

[Karl]

You have really hit the nail on the head here and it explains perfectly the treatment, by the Germans, of the pathetic Greeks after the collapse of their economy.

 

For ten years I had the misfortune to sit on a committee comprised of Germans and French as well as British. It was a source of never ending amusement to observe the Germans when something was suggested that did not fit their mindset. It was not so much a case of their being unable to understand our (British) thinking as their refusing to understand it. The French said nothing and simply voted with the Germans. It was all so much fun - rather like the E.U.

 

On first dealing with Germans I had the idea that they were super efficient. As time wore on I came to see that this was not in fact the case and they were just as useless as everyone else. They were however oblivious to this fact. The French could not see this and if ever in doubt always approached the Germans to be advised how to think.

 

Exactly. This isn't a new thing either, the entire world has been in the thrall of Germanic philosophical giants since the enlightenment. The Germans have an almost religious belief in their mental superiority which is reflected by their global followers and their apparent success.

 

Until we shake off the yoke of lesser men we will always live under the corrupted Germanic philosophy.

[Apech]

In the Guardian today (or probably Observer it being Sunday):

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/22/david-cameron-defence-minister-penny-mordaunt-lying-turkey-joining-eu

 

Cameron says his own defence minister is lying.

 

No matter which side of the fence you sit on Brexit it has to be said that Cameron has really exposed himself to be a (quite) lucky and yet incompetent PM.  How he has got away with holding on to the leadership role through all this is beyond belief - though I suppose they are all poised for the moment after the poll when he has to resign (even if he wins the vote).

[Karl]

In the Guardian today (or probably Observer it being Sunday):

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/22/david-cameron-defence-minister-penny-mordaunt-lying-turkey-joining-eu

 

Cameron says his own defence minister is lying.

 

No matter which side of the fence you sit on Brexit it has to be said that Cameron has really exposed himself to be a (quite) lucky and yet incompetent PM.  How he has got away with holding on to the leadership role through all this is beyond belief - though I suppose they are all poised for the moment after the poll when he has to resign (even if he wins the vote).

 

You know he will be transported to a key post in some bureaucracy, charity, NGO or company once he abandons his position.

 

I find it equally incompetent of Labour not to challenge him effectively and to continue with this foolhardy support of the Blairites over Blairs EU legacy. Corbyn should kick the stool from beneath their feet and hang them. I don't know anyone in the North who is Labour and supports remaining. The Labour Party appear to be trying very hard to kick themselves off the precarious position they inhabit. Ready for 2020 ? Are they out of their minds. They have zero chance. We might actually see a UKIP, Conservative, Lib dem coalition.

[Chang]

Cameron has already stated that he will stand down at the end of this term. Should the E.U. vote go against him that exit may be expedited but he is on the downhill slope whatever.

 

I agree that he is an incompetent and will continue as such - a stuffed shirt and little more. The question remains as to whom will replace him. Osborne doubtless sees himself as the obvious successor, very much in the same mold - Tory Boy, Old Etonion, Bullington Club and Stuffed Shirt. Just the man for the job..................

[Karl]

Anyone see the Sunday Politics show today ? The interview with Hatty Harperson was hilarious. As usual Hatty went off on a 'there aren't enough women's voices in this EU referendum debate'. Brillo replied that there were a whole host of women on the leave side and none on the remain side. Hatty blinked in disbelief and accused Brillo of saying the leave campaigners were a post feminist group. Hatty then went on to claim that the EU had been vital in giving women a voice, so Brillo put up the SEVEN EU presidents (count them 7 presidents !). He said that the EU appeared to be an ALL male club. Hatty then accused Brillo of putting up a random group of Eurocrats because-get this-she didn't know who any of them were. Cue much guffawing from the guests and proof positive-if it were needed-that our remainiac politicians haven't really got a clue what the EU is, or does.

[Karl]

Cameron has already stated that he will stand down at the end of this term. Should the E.U. vote go against him that exit may be expedited but he is on the downhill slope whatever.

 

I agree that he is an incompetent and will continue as such - a stuffed shirt and little more. The question remains as to whom will replace him. Osborne doubtless sees himself as the obvious successor, very much in the same mold - Tory Boy, Old Etonion, Bullington Club and Stuffed Shirt. Just the man for the job..................

 

I'm up for kicking that big fat Eton Tory arse all the way back to the Cotswolds. George has no chance. Post referendum it will be Boris who will be picking up the Tory pieces in the interim period. Cameron and Osborne have blown themselves up regardless of the result. It's interesting how princess May has been absent from either side of the debate, but has insinuated she isn't totally happy with remaining or leaving. I could see a Boris May temporary position before they choose some complete unknown from the ranks.

[Karl]

Classic

 

 

[Apech]

I'm up for kicking that big fat Eton Tory arse all the way back to the Cotswolds. George has no chance. Post referendum it will be Boris who will be picking up the Tory pieces in the interim period. Cameron and Osborne have blown themselves up regardless of the result. It's interesting how princess May has been absent from either side of the debate, but has insinuated she isn't totally happy with remaining or leaving. I could see a Boris May temporary position before they choose some complete unknown from the ranks.

 

 

Boris is there to take the UK back into the EU should the referendum go to leave.  So they have Osbourne on one side and him on the other.  Which ever way you jump you get the same thing.  And if you don't believe me look at his very first statement on joining the Leave side.

 

eg.  

 

Downing Street has been irritated by Johnson who has, in their eyes, dithered in making up his mind over the last year. Over the summer he flirted with the idea, promoted by the vote leave campaign director Dominic Cummings, to hold two referendums to reassure undecided voters that the initial one would not mark a definitive break.

Edited May 22, 2016 by Apech

[Chang]

Anyone see the Sunday Politics show today ? The interview with Hatty Harperson was hilarious. As usual Hatty went off on a 'there aren't enough women's voices in this EU referendum debate'. Brillo replied that there were a whole host of women on the leave side and none on the remain side. Hatty blinked in disbelief and accused Brillo of saying the leave campaigners were a post feminist group. Hatty then went on to claim that the EU had been vital in giving women a voice, so Brillo put up the SEVEN EU presidents (count them 7 presidents !). He said that the EU appeared to be an ALL male club. Hatty then accused Brillo of putting up a random group of Eurocrats because-get this-she didn't know who any of them were. Cue much guffawing from the guests and proof positive-if it were needed-that our remainiac politicians haven't really got a clue what the EU is, or does.

 

Here are the Magnificent Seven. The delectable Harriet had no idea who they are and I doubt that many here will have any more idea. Shadowy figures who wield great power.

 

[Karl]

Boris is there to take the UK back into the EU should the referendum go to leave.  So they have Osbourne on one side and him on the other.  Which ever way you jump you get the same thing.  And if you don't believe me look at his very first statement on joining the Leave side.

 

eg.  

 

Ive never trusted Boris's motives. I heard him say that live. Since then he has seemed to plunge himself into the fray more enthusiastically, but I can't ever escape the feeling it's all very much a big game to him in which you get in the scrum, score some tries and whoever wins or loses you join them for a good old, after match booze up in the bar. Next week, same again. His Nazi rhetoric is for shocking the audience like an audacious tackle that isn't quite gentlemanly, but can be construed as over exuberant commitment. Boris is all about show and getting away with it.

[Karl]

I only knew Junker, Schultz and Draghi (super mario) and I know the second one at the top by his face, but can't remember his name. No idea who the rest are.

[Apech]

I only knew Junker, Schultz and Draghi (super mario) and I know the second one at the top by his face, but can't remember his name. No idea who the rest are.

 

 

Donald Tusk.

[Karl]

Donald Tusk.

 

Oh yes, that's it.

[C T]

Find a Donald Trunk and we'd probably get a remake of the 3 Stooges. 

[Chang]

This has been discussed previously in this thread but this video may be of interest.

 

Any so called Euro Army would be a Fred Karno outfit to out do any other Fred Karno outfit.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRThU81hGo

Edited May 23, 2016 by Chang

[joeblast]

I always loved the revealing nature of juncker's most famous quote:

 

"when things get serious, you have to lie"

[C T]

hot off the press

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/22/world/europe/europe-right-wing-austria-hungary.html?_r=0

[zerostao]

Iceland continues to inspire me.

i would be surprised in a good way if brexit happens,

i aint holding my breath on it

[Chang]

Should the British electorate vote to remain within the European Super State then we may expect a far greater move to the right in the U.K.

 

The swing to the right will continue throughout Europe as native peoples see their rights eroded along with their national identities and their lands inundated by alien people and cultures.

 

London now has a new Mayor in the form of Sadiq Aman Khan, a Human Rights Lawyer and Socialist Member of Parliament. He has already shown where his sympathies lie.

 

 

 

Peter Whittle AM, the UKIP Group leader on the London Assembly has today criticised the flying of the EU flag at City Hall today. This is the first time it has been flown outside City Hall. 

 

The usual protocol was to have a Union Flag flanked by two City Hall flags, one of which was occasionally changed during state visits or in solidarity with countries which had suffered terror attacks. 

 

Peter Whittle said, "I was amazed today to discover that one of the first acts of Sadiq Khan has been to order the flying of the EU flag from City Hall. He just couldn't wait to display where his true loyalties lie. It is extraordinary.

 

"Luckily there is an opportunity to make sure that the EU flag is never flown outside City Hall again and that is a Leave vote in the forthcoming EU Referendum.

 

"It is also extraordinary that the English flag has not been flying from City Hall. London is the capital of England and we know full well that the Scottish and Welsh flags fly from their capital city's. So why not England? Seems to me to be most inappropriate.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Chang

[Karl]

Yes, I believe we will see a radical shift to the far right. Funnily enough I've only recently posted my views on disqus regarding the likely outcome of a vote to remain. I think the elite think we will all settle back into our boxes once the referendum is complete, but with no solution to mass immigration I don't think the 'tolerance' will hold for very much longer.

 

My guess is that we will witness a very definite split in the country between London and everywhere else. Dissatisfied Conservative and Labour voters will feel very betrayed if they are passionate about sovereignty, particularly in regard of the overwhelming elitist firepower being brought out and the sheer volume of remainiac lies. The Conservative party might survive, but I doubt the Conservative vote will. Those in Labour are likely to throw a protest vote and it will be UKIP that will receive them.

[Karl]

So, Cameron tells us that Turkey have 'no chance of membership of the EU' . He tells Turkey that he is a staunch supporter of their application for the EU. He contradicts his own minister over the right to veto.

 

Well we know Cameron can't stop lying and he isn't very good at it. All that upper class bluster and fine education is supposed to convince the stupid masses that whatever he says is the truth, no matter how many times he contradicts himself. Let's be clear, Cameron is never clear.

 

Anyway, it's interesting that Farages speech about Turkey joining the EU in the European Parliament is not contradicted by its members. Certainly it seems that Turkey is going to be fast tracked despite Camerons assertions that it can't happen.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2016 by Karl