The origin of mankind

[Marblehead]

Point well taken.

[Junko]

Must have been the woman ( kindness) that came first,

you cannot raise a baby without that

! Edited May 6, 2016 by Junko

[Junko]

Must have been the woman ( kindness) that came first,

you cannot raise a baby without that

Have you heard of kiwi husband in New Zealand?

[Karl]

Hmm, sort of strange,

 

I said: 

 

 

 

then you respond with this

 

 

 

Now, you come over to me as a guy that wants to use clear and exact language, words that really fit the concepts underlying them. So it surprises me to read that you call your experience awakening for a lack of knowing what to call it. 

 

I mean, as we're talking of the same subset of experiences, I remember I called it: it feels as if I am one with the all the world that I happen to be in, the plants, trees, sky, and clouds. Later even the feeling of an ' I ' sometimes faded.  As you can see later I started to name the experience as, awareness of oneness or emptiness. The word awakening never entered my skull regarding these experiences.

 

 Could you explain how you came to use the word awakening for these experiences?

 

 

 

never tried to make more words of it ( in fact, in that period of my life I seem to have stopped being so wordy  ), but yes, this some sort of describes it, that's good as it confirms that we're talking about the same thing.

 

 

 

To me it never felt as being a wizard, neither like a witch,but it did feel like magic 

 

 

 

 

eh, that's a sort of null statement, but I get what you mean

 

I used the word 'awakening' because that's how it is commonly referred. The 'one with everything empathy' is how it seemed. You must remember I've been at this spiritual lark for quite a few years so you do pick up the lingo.

 

This is only an internal experience of course. The world hasn't changed even if our view of it seems different. The senses still perceive what they always perceived but we develop a greater awareness of what we are perceiving. We are more aware of the world around us and how we are interacting with it. It is an introspection of how one feels and how everyone else feels which makes for vastly increased empathy.

 

Why this occurs I don't know. Perhaps it's just the result of age changes in our hormone/synaptic/chemical balance. We still can't figure out migraine, Alzheimer's so perhaps the neuro biologist will get around to explaining it. We get all kinds of neurological changes at puberty as well as physical-it's a time we are acutely aware of, as are our parents-but we are living longer than we once did and no one is all that concerned about further neurological change unless it's directly related to neurosis or disease.

 

 

[Karl]

Have you heard of kiwi husband in New Zealand?

 

I know one.

[Junko]

Today it doesn't have to be woman to raise a baby.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Junko

[Karl]

Today it doesn't have to be woman to raise a baby.

It does if he's the kiwi husband I know ;-)

 

Women are just better at raising children, men are better at cars, sheds and beer. We definitely make far better Dads than Mothers. Its in our genes- and if it isn't it our genes it jolly well should be.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Karl

[blue eyed snake]

Have you heard of kiwi husband in New Zealand?

 

had to look that one up 

 

of course dads can raise a child just as well as a mom, preferably both parents take their part. But in most cultures the biggest load comes on the moms.

 

but the question posed by marble ( i think) what was first, woman or baby, as a variant of chicken and egg. So I choose for the woman, because a baby needs to be raised. And furthering on that, it seems to me that the first ( at least six) months, a mom is needed.

 

[Junko]

In our modern time, you must consider there are many mother who can't produce milk.

[Karl]

In our modern time, you must consider there are many mother who can't produce milk.

 

Not just modern times Junko-wet nurses were very common prior to the invention of baby formula.

[Junko]

I forgot、that is right, woman have this problem for a long time.Just people in old time, they looked these problem and understood in a spiritual way.Today I think woman don't do that.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Junko

[Marblehead]

Just recently I watched a documentary about India and they pointed out that many Hindu women still wet-nurse.  I guess that goes with the culture.

[blue eyed snake]

But it would also be good when modern women were given the chance to learn breastfeeding, by experienced women and

by having less stress and better education about how to feed themselves during lactation.

[Nungali]

I am proud of being human. I like being human.I believe in immortality.So whatelse you can fight against me.Time is on my side.

 

Proud ?  After everything we have done ?  

[Nungali]

Let me clarify this... She is a dog that appears as a human most of the time.

 

Okay, thanks  ... now its clear     

 

 

Actually, Junko is my wife since 25 years. But I'm not surprised that the difference is a little hard for you to understand, given your own biography.

 

How dare you Sir !  I know the difference  ( looks around ) the wife is on the left side of the bed and the girl friend on the right . 

 

 

I would say, you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

 

Oh no .... the canoe might sink ! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

Have you heard of kiwi husband in New Zealand?

 

Yes ....  he raises the babies at home 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

while mumma kiwi is out partying and drinking all night         

[Karl]

Yes ....  he raises the babies at home 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

while mumma kiwi is out partying and drinking all night         

 

 

Cute, cute, cute :-)

 

The ducklings have been out on the river during the week. They chase flies and kind of skip across the water like water boat men (insect). Cute, cute, cute.

[Junko]

Proud ?  After everything we have done ?  

I could be extraterrestrial.I see myself being human.What's so bad being proud of it?

[Marblehead]

I think justified self pride is good for the soul.  Sure, we still screw some things up but that's only because we aren't perfect yet.

[Karl]

I think justified self pride is good for the soul.  Sure, we still screw some things up but that's only because we aren't perfect yet.

 

I am :-)

[Marblehead]

I am :-)

Proud, yes.  Perfect?  I question that.

[WisteriaWinds]

Proud, yes. Perfect? I question that.

Great book.

http://www.amazon.com/Spirituality-Imperfection-Storytelling-Search-Meaning/dp/0553371320

[blue eyed snake]

Great book.

http://www.amazon.com/Spirituality-Imperfection-Storytelling-Search-Meaning/dp/0553371320

 

 

I Am Not Perfect is a simple  statement of profound truth, the first step toward  understanding the human condition, for to deny  your essential imperfection is to deny yourself and  your own humanity. 

 

 

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reminding me of the makingof those beautiful persian carpets, the weavers intentionally wove an error in these carpets, because: " only god is perfect"

 

Edited May 7, 2016 by blue eyed snake

[Karl]

Proud, yes.  Perfect?  I question that.

 

Mans nature is perfect. Only because it is and can be no different than it is. A rock or a flower is perfect because it cannot ever be more or less than it is.

 

Perfection is a conceptual judgement. Man is a volitional animal and therefore must be judgemental by nature.

[Karl]

 

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reminding me of the makingof those beautiful persian carpets, the weavers intentionally wove an error in these carpets, because: " only god is perfect"

 

 

I have a rug like that. It's 70 years old and was produced by a family as a dowry. It has initials of the couple (I presume) incorporated into the design - looks like an A and N in little heart shapes.