The origin of mankind

[Karl]

(double negatives)

 

I couldn't tell you anything that you wouldn't wouldn't accept

 

= not(I could tell you) not(you would) accept(anything)

 

= not( not( I could tell you, you would accept(anything)))

 

= I could tell you, you would accept anything

 

or, in the vernacular (not the word-function repackaging): you would accept anything that he tells you.

 

It would be open-mindedness that you'd have to watch out for....

You might say that, but I could possibly comment. ;-)

[Michael Sternbach]

My computer cannot connect to this site anymore so I have not been able to post

 

OH NO!   The  origin of mankind thread is dying !    (I am on a library computer at moment, while I install a super duper supoosedly anti viral hunter disc thingo on my lappie.)

 

lets see if that fixes things . (although other sites work )  

 

Did you

1. Tinker with different browsers?
2. Clear the cache every time you get an SQL error message, 404 etc?
3. Evoke Archangel Michael? (He is good at solving technical problems - no kidding.)

In most cases, these measures help solve the problem.

[Michael Sternbach]

There is a lot of data being uncovered recently that somewhat debunks the "out of africa" theory to the extent that scientists now believe that homo-sapiens did not emerge as a definitive species per se for a very long time, and there were many many numerous other closely related species which all combined and homogenized over millennia to achieve the composite representation which we call "modern man".  In regards to this, they no longer see Africa as the sole source of humanity, but rather as the most significant source of modern humanity - but the whole origin story has been revealed to be much more complicated.  In fact, some archaeologists discovered a treasure trove of ancient pre-human bones just recently which has full skeletons, etc..  Something like a whole community or something was buried in a cave - apparently its one of the biggest discoveries of all time in this field.

 

In terms of alien interventions and non-human intelligent species directing things - you know, its always up for debate.  I recently read an article where astronomers have basically conceded the universe is full of intelligent, sentient life - according to the most recent mathematical statistical models.  Anyone with half a brain could have already told you that - but hey, they really love their theoretical math proofs, so you gotta let them have their fun.

 

When it comes to evidence of pre-historic alien intervention on earth, thats also up for debate.  I find it all quite fascinating, and of course I have some intuitions and other, lets call them "visions" that indicate certain nebulous things that I find hard to describe quickly or in detail.  But I do love drawing attention to a couple sites in particular - sites which I feel are worth the most amount of research in this area.

 

The first and most striking IMHO is Puma Punku or Tiwanaku.  One of the oddest things is the construction, of course.  The blocks and stones are clearly machined, with perfectly straight lines and perfectly round holes at perfect 90 degree angles, and so on.  Its also hard to know for sure, but the patina on some of these stones seems like evidence of a good deal more than a couple thousand years of weathering.

 

The other odd thing is what was discovered underneath the site, including a bowl with script that appeared almost sumerian.  See below:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Junko and I continue watching the TV series "Ancient Aliens," and we have heard repeatedly about Puma Punku and Tiahuanaco. Fascinating indeed!

 

I feel like after 134 pages, we might finally be getting somewhere regarding this topic.

[Michael Sternbach]

This is right.I have been wondering why wise aliens don't want to get involve with us for a long time?

 

Maybe it is exactly their wisdom cautioning them not to get too involved with humanity at the present time. At least not openly.

 

Maybe they contact only certain sophisticated individuals. This could even take the form of inspirations of unknown origin.

 

It might again be their wisdom not to solve all problems for us. A child learns walking only by falling down repeatedly. They have been there, done that. So they understand that all they can give us is gentle guidance.

 

Just some thoughts...

[Marblehead]

... all they can give us is gentle guidance.

 

 

And a big push when needed.

[Stosh]

That would still be interfering. If they were wise, a Taoist might expect them to leave us alone. If an action leads eventually to its inverse, as day eventually wears into night, so the best you can do long term is respect someone elses space.

[9th]

Well, if aliens guided mankind in its evolution I must suggest that they were pretty stupid aliens.  I mean, just look at us!

 

That would still be interfering. If they were wise, a Taoist might expect them to leave us alone. If an action leads eventually to its inverse, as day eventually wears into night, so the best you can do long term is respect someone elses space.

 

 

If the aliens were guiding evolution and so forth, Im sure there would be some sort of "prime directive" type situation as well.  For those unfamiliar, its a term from Star Trek that refers to the principle of not interfering with a civilization and giving them interstellar technology until they have developed it themselves - and also there is stuff about revealing their identities and so on - basically they have to keep everything secret.  Its also worth noting that in star trek, earth has become a utopia - there is no money, nobody works except on things they want to work on, there is no war, no violence, etc. and so forth.

 

Looking at it from a natural perspective, it would be the situation where the parent is absolutely needed when the child is an infant, and there would be a great amount of direct effort there.  However when the child becomes a teenager and on, they are expected to strike out on their own and become an adult.  If mommy and daddy are always doing everything for you, you wont gain any experience, skill, knowledge, understanding and so on for yourself.  Of course, aliens guiding evolution is a different situation but some of the principles would be the same.

 

Looking at it from a theoretical perspective, there may be a need for intelligent life of a certain coherent type.  If a species is able to come together in a certain unified way, it may have a certain value in regards to a universal community of life.  If a species is NOT able to unify in such a way, its not just as if they would serve no purpose - this actually may have a detrimental effect and therefore would be heavily guarded against.  Depending on the nature of these needs in regards to the universal community of life, there may be a certain time table involved which would require certain kinds of intervention at certain key points in a species development.  These are a few theoretical ideas from a neutral perspective.  

 

From (what may be called) a gnostic influenced perspective, you could have an idea where certain species may produce certain materials in certain conditions, and therefore we would be guided into those conditions in order to produce these materials which would then be harvested by the aliens - and in general this would involve cultivation of mass suffering, ignorance and so forth - basically the generation and release of intense psychic energy as food or fuel source.  Its worth noting that this principle is the basis of the prehistoric idea of ritual sacrifice (of animals, people, etc.).  It seems modern people may think of ancient ritual sacrifice as some weird symbolic act, but no - these ancient people were performing an energetic act... ritual sacrifice is an energy working.  Its not just symbolic.

 

And of course there may be a contentious universal community of life where different principles are opposed to another, and therefore multiple kinds of intervention situations may be happening at the same time.  This seems likely from our current human perspective - but it must be kept in mind that currently, humanity is very very VERY far from being in a "perfect" place to explore the universe, let alone being a utopia in itself and having a unified global community.  So its worth keeping in mind the influence of the human mind on all these proceedings.  There are also countless different species of aliens of a sort which we cannot ever possibly dream of, as we have absolutely no frame of reference for the physical characteristics of alternate dimensions where the laws of physics are completely different.

[Nungali]

As long as I behave well this thread will continue.....

 

Is that what the moderator told you ? 

[Nungali]

But if we try hard we might be able to get the thread moved to the "Pit".

 

I'm still looking for the origin of the universe but Karl tells me there is no origin.

 

Maybe there is no origin of mankind either.

Like anything, we will never get to origin  (thats why we pretend we understand origins and make up new words for 'dont know'  ; dark matter .... God ..... pixies .....   quantum particles with 'charm' ... endless turtles holding each other up . 

 

So really, we just need to find a significant point and start from there . 

 

'Mankind'  IMO started way after the Universe did ... and way after the first hominid .... thats why earlier I tried to define our specific features  that separate us as 'Man' . 

[Nungali]

There is a lot of data being uncovered recently that somewhat debunks the "out of africa" theory to the extent that scientists now believe that homo-sapiens did not emerge as a definitive species per se for a very long time, and there were many many numerous other closely related species which all combined and homogenized over millennia to achieve the composite representation which we call "modern man".  In regards to this, they no longer see Africa as the sole source of humanity, but rather as the most significant source of modern humanity - but the whole origin story has been revealed to be much more complicated.  In fact, some archaeologists discovered a treasure trove of ancient pre-human bones just recently which has full skeletons, etc..  Something like a whole community or something was buried in a cave - apparently its one of the biggest discoveries of all time in this field.

 

In terms of alien interventions and non-human intelligent species directing things - you know, its always up for debate.  I recently read an article where astronomers have basically conceded the universe is full of intelligent, sentient life - according to the most recent mathematical statistical models.  Anyone with half a brain could have already told you that - but hey, they really love their theoretical math proofs, so you gotta let them have their fun.

 

When it comes to evidence of pre-historic alien intervention on earth, thats also up for debate.  I find it all quite fascinating, and of course I have some intuitions and other, lets call them "visions" that indicate certain nebulous things that I find hard to describe quickly or in detail.  But I do love drawing attention to a couple sites in particular - sites which I feel are worth the most amount of research in this area.

 

The first and most striking IMHO is Puma Punku or Tiwanaku.  One of the oddest things is the construction, of course.  The blocks and stones are clearly machined, with perfectly straight lines and perfectly round holes at perfect 90 degree angles, and so on.  Its also hard to know for sure, but the patina on some of these stones seems like evidence of a good deal more than a couple thousand years of weathering.

 

The other odd thing is what was discovered underneath the site, including a bowl with script that appeared almost sumerian.  See below:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are you trying to pull here 9th ? 

 

This is an  internut hoax ..... everything above can be explained if one has the time and scientific mind set to look into it and properly evaluate the evidence. 

 

I know some here wont like this and long the fantasies to be true .

 

Dont take my word for it ... we could start with the bowl ... now, where do you claim it was found again ? 

 

 

(better read this first  ;     https://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/tag/fuente-magna-bowl/

Edited June 29, 2016 by Nungali

[Nungali]

<doubler>  

Edited June 29, 2016 by Nungali

[Nungali]

Although I have known some people who were so open-minded that their brains fell out, I doubt I have ever had that problem.

 

 

 

[Stosh]

I have it on good authority that aliens do indeed promote the construction and worship of the letter H, so there!

[Nungali]

This is right.I have been wondering why wise aliens don't want to get involve with us for a long time?

 

Would you, if you were an alien ? 

 

I would head in the other direction !  

[Nungali]

Did you

1. Tinker with different browsers?
2. Clear the cache every time you get an SQL error message, 404 etc?
3. Evoke Archangel Michael? (He is good at solving technical problems - no kidding.)

In most cases, these measures help solve the problem.

 

1. Have now installed Chrome .... windows 10 with  MS edge sucks  (as I was told earlier) ,,, prob was I could not download Chrome. 

 

2.  Didnt work  with MS Edge ......   it used to work with old computer on chrome .    yesterday I got it again with this set up ... o way in.   Today, without clearing cache ... I am in and able to quote and post . 

 

3. Thanks ... I think its nutted now. It took 3 days to get new programs and protection installed and running ... seems to have fixed it.  

[Nungali]

Maybe it is exactly their wisdom cautioning them not to get too involved with humanity at the present time. At least not openly.

 

Maybe they contact only certain sophisticated individuals. This could even take the form of inspirations of unknown origin.

 

It might again be their wisdom not to solve all problems for us. A child learns walking only by falling down repeatedly. They have been there, done that. So they understand that all they can give us is gentle guidance.

 

Just some thoughts...

 

 

are you familiar with this ?  

 

a more complex  concept that includes a plethora of 'spiritual' and material  type beings on other worlds;

 

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online

[Michael Sternbach]

are you familiar with this ?  

 

a more complex  concept that includes a plethora of 'spiritual' and material  type beings on other worlds;

 

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online

Yes. This strange text strikes a chord with me, for some reason.

[Junko]

Is that what the moderator told you ?

 

No, I felt it myself from life experience.

[9th]

What are you trying to pull here 9th ? 

 

This is an  internut hoax ..... everything above can be explained if one has the time and scientific mind set to look into it and properly evaluate the evidence. 

 

I know some here wont like this and long the fantasies to be true .

 

Dont take my word for it ... we could start with the bowl ... now, where do you claim it was found again ? 

 

 

(better read this first  ;     https://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/tag/fuente-magna-bowl/

 

I dont claim anything, and moreover that website doesnt have any real information to debunk the actual location of that bowl's discovery.  Its not a big deal tho, if it is a fake.  That kind of thing happens all the time in antiquities and museum sales and so on.  It could be an attempt to cash in on the mystery of the place - sure, I could easily see that.

 

However, Tiwanaku is a very real place.  If you are claiming the site itself is a hoax, Id suggest checking into a mental health facility instead of continuing this conversation.  All those strangely cut blocks exist.  They have clearly been machined in some way.  It could certainly be ancient humans, I have no problem with that - however it is also clearly evidence of very high technology relative to the very ancient period of time.  In fact, modern engineers are unable to create these kinds of blocks without a great deal of time and effort and laser guided cutting machines that somehow cool as they drill, etc. etc.  Some of the stones weigh hundreds of tons, and there is no local quarry so they have been moved.  They have also been broken apart and tossed about like gravel - these stones that weigh hundreds of tons.

 

If you want to talk about what YOU know, go right ahead, Im listening.

[Michael Sternbach]

What are you trying to pull here 9th ? 

 

This is an  internut hoax ..... everything above can be explained if one has the time and scientific mind set to look into it and properly evaluate the evidence. 

 

I know some here wont like this and long the fantasies to be true .

 

Dont take my word for it ... we could start with the bowl ... now, where do you claim it was found again ? 

 

 

(better read this first  ;     https://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/tag/fuente-magna-bowl/

 

Nungers in furious defence of conventional history once again... <Yawn>

 

Do I really have to remind you how that ended the last time?

 

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/40629-egyptian-origins/

 

:/

 

But no worries... The Star-Lord knows what it was really like back in the old days!

 

 

Yeah, those guys knew how to party!

[Junko]

No matter what, mankind will always think their way only, aliens will think their way.That is why hole thing making it difficult.There must be the way more for simple

description.

Edited June 30, 2016 by Junko

[Marblehead]

The way is the path of Tao.

[Junko]

Yes! You are right!

[9th]

https://youtu.be/Axi8nrvOkkY?t=6m55s

 

Come to me. I've been waiting so long. 

I don't know who you are or what you are. 

Whether you're our past or our future. 

But I need you because I've waited long enough. 

 

And the saucers fly through the open window. 

They glide through my fingers. 

They land on my chest. 

They make knots in my hair. 

And I'm open and expectant on my makeshift altar. 

Prepared for whatever the new people will deliver. 

 

I trust.

Because what else can I do,

but trust. 

What else can we do,

but trust. 

This is bigger than all of us

so we may as well just lay down

and trust. 

 

There is no moon tonight, but the stars are whispering our names. 

 

[Nungali]

I dont claim anything, and moreover that website doesnt have any real information to debunk the actual location of that bowl's discovery.

 

 Its not a big deal tho, if it is a fake.  That kind of thing happens all the time in antiquities and museum sales and so on.  It could be an attempt to cash in on the mystery of the place - sure, I could easily see that.

 

However, Tiwanaku is a very real place.  If you are claiming the site itself is a hoax, Id suggest checking into a mental health facility instead of continuing this conversation.  All those strangely cut blocks exist.  They have clearly been machined in some way.  It could certainly be ancient humans, I have no problem with that - however it is also clearly evidence of very high technology relative to the very ancient period of time.  In fact, modern engineers are unable to create these kinds of blocks without a great deal of time and effort and laser guided cutting machines that somehow cool as they drill, etc. etc.  Some of the stones weigh hundreds of tons, and there is no local quarry so they have been moved.  They have also been broken apart and tossed about like gravel - these stones that weigh hundreds of tons.

 

If you want to talk about what YOU know, go right ahead, Im listening.

 

Okay then , I cant list all I know about it here ... that would take up too much space.  I can redirect you to a site where professionals will discuss it at length, for pages and pages.  But I can briefly sum up   some points of confusion. Also what would make it lengthy, if I where to do a proper presentation, I would not be just saying stuff but supplying many references and links to scientific papers and  qualified academic peer reviewed papers on the subject.

 

( quote function is playing up so please excuse this layout  ) 

 

I dont claim anything, and moreover that website doesnt have any real information to debunk the actual location of that bowl's discovery.

 

Okay then, it looked like you were putting that up as a valid  source and claiming stuff though.  The bowls location is not in question, what is in question how it got there .

 

Of course I realize it is a real place  .... no need for a  psyche ward . 

 

They have clearly been machined in some way.

 

Have they ?  I see how one could think  they LOOK like that ... if one does not understand how they could have been made otherwise.   Once I watched a Maori carve a stone pendant with cotton thread.   He also made tiny looking 'machined' hole through the top with a twig  (actually used numerous twigs ).  Also we are pretty sure that people could cut hard rock with copper saws  ....  (hint ;  abrasive powders ) 

 

however it is also clearly evidence of very high technology relative to the very ancient period of time.

 

 high ancient 'technology' ... also evidence of brilliant human innovation using the technology they did have at the time . 

 

 In fact, modern engineers are unable to create these kinds of blocks without a great deal of time and effort and laser guided cutting machines that somehow cool as they drill, etc. etc. 

 

Are you sure that is a 'fact' .... modern tech is just the best way to do things nowadays ... and nowadays  the 'best way' includes easiest, fastest and the highest profit .  That site I mentioned above, often gets such questions posed, not only do they have archaeologists, but also builders and stonemasons, they assure us they can do the same work by hand with tools ... and heaps of men and patience and time ... id someone is prepared to pay them, they will demonstrate it   (I have seen the costing )  ... otherwise, just get the high tech laser factory to pump them out and bolt them together on site. 

 

To think it hapenned otherwise ... one has to extend that over all the ancient sites and times ....   even down to today , which dont work as that Maori didnt use  alien laser beams while I was watching him  .    

 

 

Some of the stones weigh hundreds of tons, and there is no local quarry so they have been moved. 

 

yeah .... and so ???   This is not unusual at a lot of these sites ... people moved stone all over the place ....

 

here are two innovative examples ; the first from a people with a lot of man power, time, money and organisation available ... the 2nd, rather brilliantly innovate IMO 

 

 

 

 

 

(they asked the old islanders how the ancients did it ... they said  " They magic and made the statues walk there ."

 

'yeah r i i i i g h t !  "   the scientists thought .... until one noticed how the bases were formed and the weight of the statue distributed over its center of gravity  . )