The origin of mankind

[Karl]

To explain about physical immortality???

And do you mean what make me desire about it?

 

Yes, both.

 

If you are talking of true immortality of a human-beyond the obvious unlikelihood-would mean invincibility. In other words you couldn't be killed by anything, not accident, disease, lack of air, food, neither burning nor explosion so, totally indestructible. No need for a planet or any other kind of thing.

 

Despite this being impossible, it would be undesirable. Without the need of survival there would be zero incentive to do anything at all. It would mean not only immortal but inhuman. The nature of man is mortality, if his nature is immortality then man ceases. We then talk of an entirely different kind of entity than we are. I don't know of anyone who has proven their immortality and those who tried aren't alive to tell of it. Those that say they are immortal mainly avoid providing proof, which strongly points in the direction of their own evasion. They still eat, get old, fall ill and eventually die anyway.

[Junko]

Well,I can say I am not a master.But all my life I am sort of receiving this theme over and over wherever I go.

Since when I was born in Japan and growing up there,the information about immortality have been always there for me.

In my time there were a few cartoon TV serise which inspired me and later from movies.

I don't know how but I just get this inspiration very quickly.

I also learn from other people.

It could be that there is something about myself extremely sensitive toward to immortality I feel.

The force is often telling me to be careful though.

[Karl]

Well,I can say I am not a master.But all my life I am sort of receiving this theme over and over wherever I go.

Since when I was born in Japan and growing up there,the information about immortality have been always there for me.

In my time there were a few cartoon TV serise which inspired me and later from movies.

I don't know how but I just get this inspiration very quickly.

I also learn from other people.

It could be that there is something about myself extremely sensitive toward to immortality I feel.

The force is often telling me to be careful though.

 

Well I'm not beyond wishing for a longer, younger, healthier life, but I can only do so much to keep it that way and medical,advances have not reached the stage where we can arrest disease/ageing or get over serious trauma. I wouldn't, for instance wsh to extend my life by living in total incapacity-such as locked in syndrome-or to do so as a mental equivalent of a vegetable in a healthy body.

[Junko]

I come to understand that immortality is not about Living longer, looking younger or having healthier body.

It's about NOW the moment you live!

How much one concentrate focusing to live in this moment.

That is the key to immortality I believe.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Junko

[Karl]

I come to understand that immortality is not about Living longer, looking younger or having healthier body.

It's about NOW the moment you live!

How much one concentrate focusing to live in this moment.

That is the key to immortality I believe.

 

That maybe, but unfortunately we humans are living entities and life is movement. We cannot sit like rocks or wait for the divine to fill our stomachs or empty our bladders. We are forced to plan ahead, even if subconsciously. We must decide either to sit still or find food. Sitting still is therefore not to be regarded as not making a decision. we also require all the accumulated knowledge and experience accumulated to that point in our lives, so we must live through the now, neither in the past nor the future but dependent on both.

[Nungali]

Well, for me, not in the front.  Too many people go by my front.  But sure, in back.  No one can see me unless they have walked onto my property and around to the back.

 

Well, my 'front' is a big paddock, no one can see me in there ... unless the police drug bust helicopter flies over, as it does 2 or 3 times a year.    They dont stop me though  ( when they come close, I just slip the bong under the deck chair and put a beer on the little table next to me and wave to them .     ) 

 

(I won't say  what  I wave at them !      ) 

[Nungali]

Yeah, I suppose I should stop calling myself a Materialist as there are too many negative connotation fixed to that word.  A physicalist expresses it better.

 

Yes, one did suddenly appear above.  And its a beauty.

 

You may be confused here.  I think that is a "My Little Pony Guy".

 

Close ....

 

rather, I think it is  a  ' My Little Porny Guy' . 

 

 

 

 

[Junko]

Here some sentences from Buddha for Karl.

"If you know about the power of a generous heart,you will not let a single meal pass without giving to others".

Edited May 3, 2016 by Junko

[Nungali]

see if I can get it with my inadequately thinking equipment, aah yes, It's a nice distinction.

 

 

imagine me instead   , lying in that one corner of my garden where neighbours can't see me, hmm. summer is coming closer, maybe in a few days i can lay me down there, to get tanned all-over.

 

An invitation to fantasize  about a  fellow Daobum  ?    I do believe this is a new experience for me  !   (At least I dont have to ask  "what are you wearing "      )

 

 

so it is, moralism is strictly for moralists

 

 

the aformentioned beauty grazes in the meadow here, but you can see her only when you're not looking  (now how did I get a picture huh   , ain't that smart   )

 

 

urgh.... could you please not post links to such revolting pictures again, that's neither a pegacorn nor natural beauty.

 

 

You think that was bad ?   Wait till you see this one ! 

 

http://www.noisefestival.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/work/haha%20made%20you%20look.JPG

[Nungali]

What ? Exactly 80 years. There are plenty of people with a lifespan far less and some far more.

 

yes, tomato is exactly 80 years ,  less would make you a turnip .... more a  type of long small aubergine .

[Nungali]

Well good on you for having that attitude, but you did fill in the states questionnaire ;-) You chose the lesser and that's what compromise is about and what I was suggesting. You can't live by your own moral standards and completely ignore the state. Eventually you will be faced with dealing with them. The state doesn't always apply maximum force, but it does find ways to make you tow the line progressively. Funnily enough I just read a piece by Eric Peters which used the analogy of the hair turning grey overnight, when it actually happens bit by bit. I prefer the boiling frog analogy. The thing is, even if you have to step outside your door to talk to one of the states thugs, then you have an opportunity cost. Instead of doing some gardening, listening to music or having a beer, you are forced into remonstrating with the state bully. Then they get you to fill in a form which also has an opportunity cost and which you must apply your name and sign (put your mark) or more bullies will appear and more form filling demands will ensue. They will raise the stakes until you either comply, or are marched off in hand cuffs.

 

 

True ... but then, one would be your ordinary silly run-o-the-mill anarchist .  

 

But here   (      )    we are dealing with a Daoist anarchist       .....   a little dabble here and there to divert 'the

 

man' allows a greater freedom.  

[Junko]

Did you ever think that cariflower look like human brain??

Edited May 3, 2016 by Junko

[Nungali]

My Dad refused to fill in the census when we were kids. He had to go to court and was offered either a prison sentence or a fine-he opted for the fine. He filled in the very next census.

 

Portuguese friend at work :  lived in little isolated village, government wanted to do 1st census there. People didnt - local priest convinced them.  Little Americo, now 15 appeared for the first time to be official resident of the country.  A month later the army turned up and took him and some other boys away.  A few months later he is operating a machine gun in a helicopter in the Angolan war (his 'training' consisted of  being shown how to shoot people on the ground, and if they didnt, they got thrown out of the helicopter and got machine gunned after they hit the ground.  Soon all supplies stopped and they were abandoned , they had to survive as a renegade band, eventually get out the war zone, cross over into 3 different countries, eventually get refugee satus, and eventually end up in Australia , where I met him. 

 

His mother was very against the census ... now he knows why !   And he hates priests !  

[Karl]

Here some sentences from Buddha for Karl.

"If you know about the power of a generous heart,you will not let a single meal pass without giving to others".

 

Yet then you must decide who deserves that justice. You must judge who gets and who does not get for you cannot feed everyone, nor everyone feed you. In the end it's a nice sentiment but logically implausible. It is nothing more than communism, which works in a small group, but is a failure beyond a few. It is better than everyone produces as trades volitionally. More is produced and fewer go hungry.

[Karl]

Portuguese friend at work :  lived in little isolated village, government wanted to do 1st census there. People didnt - local priest convinced them.  Little Americo, now 15 appeared for the first time to be official resident of the country.  A month later the army turned up and took him and some other boys away.  A few months later he is operating a machine gun in a helicopter in the Angolan war (his 'training' consisted of  being shown how to shoot people on the ground, and if they didnt, they got thrown out of the helicopter and got machine gunned after they hit the ground.  Soon all supplies stopped and they were abandoned , they had to survive as a renegade band, eventually get out the war zone, cross over into 3 different countries, eventually get refugee satus, and eventually end up in Australia , where I met him. 

 

His mother was very against the census ... now he knows why !   And he hates priests !  

 

That's quite a story.

[Karl]

Did you ever think that cariflower look human brain??

 

Sometimes I really can't tell the difference ;-)

 

I'm going to have some of that cariflower with a rich, creamy cheese sauce, sometimes I think I'm eating brains.

[Nungali]

I come to understand that immortality is not about Living longer, looking younger or having healthier body.

It's about NOW the moment you live!

How much one concentrate focusing to live in this moment.

That is the key to immortality I believe.

 

Wow JUnko !   I was thinking this yesterday - total awareness stops time ... one just is !    And when time stops ... there is no time, each second is an infinity, so yes, it is like immortality. 

 

I went there once ...  the problem is, when time stops so does everything else , but 'force'  -(like gravity / momentum )  does not. very weird experience ...  one is 'frozen' like everything else.  I didnt like it much .... I prefer a moving vibrant unfolding experience. 

 

Then again it could have been 'just the effects'  the 350mg of pure 'white light' lsd I took, and have no bearing on any possible 'realities' ? 

[Nungali]

Did you ever think that cariflower look human brain??

 

Oh no ... not really .... but  I see them in the distant thunder clouds out over the ocean at times.

 

[Nungali]

Yet then you must decide who deserves that justice. You must judge who gets and who does not get for you cannot feed everyone, nor everyone feed you. In the end it's a nice sentiment but logically implausible. It is nothing more than communism, which works in a small group, but is a failure beyond a few. It is better than everyone produces as trades volitionally. More is produced and fewer go hungry.

 

An interesting philosophical conundrum.

 

My solution is -   its about what you personally interact with.  If someone is here and hungry, I will feed them  (yes I cant go out and find every hungry person ) ... if I see someone being oppressed, I will try to help.  If you fall over in front of me, I will help you up. So my line is personal interaction. I cant help every person I know or hear about in the world.  But that doesnt mean I cant help at least some ... in my 'sphere' .

 

If I somehow become 'known' to you ... if your 'dhama' becomes entwined somehow, then I will feel responsible, otherwise not. 

[Nungali]

That's quite a story.

 

Yep, Came out during a quiet time at work .   Someone asked him how he could shoot people like that. He got offended and told us how he was trained  ; (this is a boy mind you )   they went up in the chopper, over some village and the first guy was told to shoot some people down there, he hesitated and asked "Why, what did they do, it just looks like a little poor village , they look like civilians."   So the instructor pushed him out the door and when he hit the ground he machine gunned him.  Americo said he was next in line .... he was told to shoot, so he did . 

 

A really shitty position to be put in ! 

[Nungali]

[Marblehead]

A really shitty position to be put in ! 

I'm afraid I would have to shoot my instructor.

[Junko]

Clouds in Australia.....are really like cariflower.

Clouds here in Switzerland look like cream.

[Apech]

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all

[silent thunder]

Carly said she had some in her coffee