economic injustice and the taboo about the stock market

[Karl]

its you're not knowledgeable about the operations of the squid, I'm not the guy to teach you about it

 

Which means you can't produce the factual evidence. Pity, as that would have made a decent discussion. I'm clearly on your side of the equation regarding central banks, fiat manipulation and fractional reserve fraud-so why would I create any kind of argument in opposition ? I believe it woukd be worth your while to investigate if GS caused the crash because it will reveal something interesting about the purpose of using GS as the excuse-remember who it was that said it was GS that caused the issue.

 

I think you mean the 'octopus' ?

[joeblast]

or the fact that GS helped greece fudge their books for 10 years straight, just so that they could sign up for more debt slavery and give up sovereignty I mean "participate" in the EU

 

but who was the bad guy there?  why greece, of course, since gs was "helping them get what they wanted" and whose responsible for someone taking out a loan, of course no responsibility should go to the shark loan lender for completely abandoning underwriting standards because they knew they could sock 'em all with the debt, leave the people holding the bag, and then some handful takes their handfullllllls of skim as is the charade wherever banks are involved

 

 so the big banks toss their weight around, move markets unnaturally, then oh so graciously offer to put those they hurt into their back pocket for the privilege of having "bailed them out" - and you owe them real collateral in return for that invented from thin air funny money that they "loaned" you.

[Karl]

Impunity, impunity, ad infinitum.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511964672

 

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877341,00.html

 

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/05/12/the-age-impunity/LHBxamqFENCs3W6lvWnCIJ/story.html

 

It's like you got blindsided by the banksters and the Government. There is truth in the article that you posted, but it's a misdirection of the real culprit and the causes.

 

It wasn't the CDOs that were the problem, they were a symptom, but not the cause. You have to follow the money trail. Where did the debts originate and how. Which banks caused the crash. Was it the investment banks or the commercial banks. Which banks had to be bailed out - which banks converted themselves post crash so that they could also get bail outs. Who guaranteed the CDOs, what were the regulators doing, why didn't the treasury, fed or government see the crisis unfolding- the same crisis unfolding again right now and one which will be far more massive ?

 

Question it all. Everything you heard from every politician, Fed chairman, Tame Economist, media talking head because they are all either outright lying, bending the truth, or are clueless.

[Karl]

or the fact that GS helped greece fudge their books for 10 years straight, just so that they could sign up for more debt slavery and give up sovereignty I mean "participate" in the EU

 

but who was the bad guy there?  why greece, of course, since gs was "helping them get what they wanted" and whose responsible for someone taking out a loan, of course no responsibility should go to the shark loan lender for completely abandoning underwriting standards because they knew they could sock 'em all with the debt, leave the people holding the bag, and then some handful takes their handfullllllls of skim as is the charade wherever banks are involved

 

 so the big banks toss their weight around, move markets unnaturally, then oh so graciously offer to put those they hurt into their back pocket for the privilege of having "bailed them out" - and you owe them real collateral in return for that invented from thin air funny money that they "loaned" you.

 

Again, you have half a story and you make the rest up to fit. Greece knew precisely what they were doing as did the ECB and Germany. GS did its usual thing and you can certainly put the spot light on their crooked acts, but here they were just using accounting tricks to help Brussels find a way to bring the Eastern block into its orbit. It suited Greece and Europe until the crash, then it began unraveling.

[joeblast]

is the tail *that* different than the trunk?  it couldnt possibly be the same animal.

[Karl]

is the tail *that* different than the trunk?  it couldnt possibly be the same animal.

 

It's a good point, but you have to know where to direct your fire. A bullet in the tail won't bring it down. You have to know your prey and be precise with your aim.

 

I'm not posting this stuff In denial of you having the right animal, I'm attempting to get you to see where you should place that bullet. It's aim adjustment, you already have the gun, the firing position and the animal.

[Aetherous]

If you have a few million dollars, you can make a hundred thousand or so each year by investing, without doing a thing. The more money you have, the more you can make by investing. If you have a hundred million, you can easily make a million every year- without working.

 

Others work their asses off and make twenty grand a year.

 

There needs to be a public outcry against this utter injustice in my opinion.

 

I wouldn't say it's injustice...that implies that it's about people doing bad things to other people...it's just the way things work. If you have resources, you can easily have more resources, because you have the resources to get more resources. It's the way of the world.

 

Just like if you were alone in nature, if you had enough food, you would be more capable of going out to explore and do other things. If you had no food, you'd need to focus on that, and you wouldn't have the energy to do much due to starvation.

 

People working their asses off making 20k a year...they have the means to enter a different career field and make more. They just choose not to for a variety of reasons (excuses, if you want to be harsh about it).

 

It's easy to change what caste you belong to in our society. Just research the careers that earn the most money. Do what it takes. A kid graduating high school can look into it, see that doctors can make 250k a year more or less, and decide to try their best in college. They earn straight As, then go a medical school of their choice. Then they're making a lot of money, and are able to invest more each year...until they eventually reach a point of being wealthy, and their money can work for them.

 

Where there is a will, there's a way. It's easy to know the way...we've explored it here: it takes money to make money, as seen in the stock market. There is a way out, for those that choose it. It takes hard work and knowledge of how things work to change your position in the world. No one is stuck, and no one is forcing us to stay stuck.

[joeblast]

It's a good point, but you have to know where to direct your fire. A bullet in the tail won't bring it down. You have to know your prey and be precise with your aim. I'm not posting this stuff In denial of you having the right animal, I'm attempting to get you to see where you should place that bullet. It's aim adjustment, you already have the gun, the firing position and the animal.

eh, like I said in the other thread, try to put that bullet in between the eyes of the bank owners, try to take back the issuance of our currency, anything reaching that level of interference in the counterfeiting operation, and they will pull the rug as hard as they can in retaliation.

 

whether that would actually happen is anyone's guess, it'd take an informed populace with  a set of brass balls and the willingness to endure the pain of purging the parasites....and judging by most people's responses, pretty much nobody has the stomach for it, they would all rather keep the counterfeiting operation going and leave things unchanged and away from scary-unknown-land than take a stand to correct things.  but half the battle there is, people dont seem to think they collectively have that sort of power, feel powerless to do anything about it, and dont want to lose their positions of relative comfort.

 

anyone saying we should attack that beast gets labeled a paranoid crazy person

[thelerner]

Controlling the money supply (& interest rates) is a way to keep the boom/bust cycles of the economy imperfectly in check.  You could knock out the Fed and replace it with something like the 'Med' (Money Elucidation Department), do your best to make it less political but as soon as it makes a decision some group doesn't like they'll protest, call it part of an evil conspiracy, when in fact, its simply moving a direction they don't like, using the limited tools they have.

 

That is the nature of the beast. 

 

In my opinion the US weathered the great recession better then most of the world because they didn't go the austerity route and instead turned on the money spigot;  Reassuring the nation by keeping banks,  businesses and insurance agencies  liquid and open. 

 

People in charge made hard, daring decisions that kept us from falling into a Great Depression where most banks would be bankrupted with savings, checks and credit cards becoming void.  Without there action there was a real danger of financial Armageddon.  Few understand or appreciate how close we came and the people who kept it from happening. 

 

Financial bubbles are terrible things, and when they involve real estate, which most people own, is so expensive to begin with and already has such a high

[Karl]

eh, like I said in the other thread, try to put that bullet in between the eyes of the bank owners, try to take back the issuance of our currency, anything reaching that level of interference in the counterfeiting operation, and they will pull the rug as hard as they can in retaliation.

 

whether that would actually happen is anyone's guess, it'd take an informed populace with  a set of brass balls and the willingness to endure the pain of purging the parasites....and judging by most people's responses, pretty much nobody has the stomach for it, they would all rather keep the counterfeiting operation going and leave things unchanged and away from scary-unknown-land than take a stand to correct things.  but half the battle there is, people dont seem to think they collectively have that sort of power, feel powerless to do anything about it, and dont want to lose their positions of relative comfort.

 

anyone saying we should attack that beast gets labeled a paranoid crazy person

 

Right, but how did it all come about ? And who is responsible for allowing it. Once having figured that out, then you are stuck with looking in the mirror. You cannot beat the bankers, or the entire system by force, to do so would be fatal. Instead one must accept ones responsibility for the situation and not add to it. This is all you can do, to change and to change what few you can. This is to create an irresistible force, tiny first efforts that seem pointless against a Goliath, but Goliath only exists by the will of the people. Take away that support-completely peacefully-and Goliath cannot exist. Evil is weak, it exists only by men's weakness, it cannot resist determined morality.

 

There was a great example of this on a recent quiz program. The host asked what would be required to knock down the tallest building in London with a single feather. It takes 25 blocks arranged in domino fashion, of increasing side based on a ratio. Only 25 steps and a tiny touch with a feather levels a sky scraper. It's a simple mathematical multiplication beginning with one single person convincing one other person. That's all. No need to raise an army, draw swords, or charge into battle, just pull the plug peacefully. Change your philosophy and change the world.

[Karl]

Controlling the money supply (& interest rates) is a way to keep the boom/bust cycles of the economy imperfectly in check.  You could knock out the Fed and replace it with something like the 'Med' (Money Elucidation Department), do your best to make it less political but as soon as it makes a decision some group doesn't like they'll protest, call it part of an evil conspiracy, when in fact, its simply moving a direction they don't like, using the limited tools they have.

 

That is the nature of the beast. 

 

In my opinion the US weathered the great recession better then most of the world because they didn't go the austerity route and instead turned on the money spigot;  Reassuring the nation by keeping banks,  businesses and insurance agencies  liquid and open. 

 

People in charge made hard, daring decisions that kept us from falling into a Great Depression where most banks would be bankrupted with savings, checks and credit cards becoming void.  Without there action there was a real danger of financial Armageddon.  Few understand or appreciate how close we came and the people who kept it from happening. 

 

Financial bubbles are terrible things, and when they involve real estate, which most people own, is so expensive to begin with and already has such a high

 

Ah no, none of that is correct. You have been listening to the talking heads. The reason the US has 'seemed' to be in better shape is that it's got the biggest economy and its dollar is the world currency.

 

Funnily enough you have had a lot of austerity despite what Obama has been telling you. Although your debt and defecit are rising, Obama has actually severely trimmed back the growth of government spending and increased taxation.

 

Central banks cause booms and busts by messing with the money supply. The US just ran out of central bank smoke and mirrors. The illusion looks likely to come crashing down in the near future. Expect that you will be told that there will be another round of monetary easing due to 'global market instability affecting the US economy' but that 'The fed has the tools to fight it'.

 

The US hasn't fought off the problem, it just kicked the can down the road a very long way in order to avoid the inevitable. You have been lied to. This is why Trump made the mistake of letting the cat out of the bag when he said that the US needed to restructure its debt. Restructuring is defaulting. Then he back tracked and said he meant the state could print money-but that is exactly what they have been doing and now the game is up. The short term bonds can't be touched or the dollar will crash and price inflation will rocket, the vast bulk of long term bonds are held by the fed itself.

 

Had the banks been allowed to fail in 2007 you would have had a short, sharp recession as the bad bets unwound. It wouldn't have been particularly nice, but you would have come through it. There wouldn't have been financial Armageddon except for the creditors who had lent too much money to people who should never have been given it. It would have demolished the imprudent and allowed prices to fall helping everyone to cope. Certainly the Government would have had to restructure fiscally. It would have had to cut spending much more, reduce its overseas budget and its military spending. The US would have emerged stronger, but, instead it is very weak and one tiny shock will bring the house of cards down.

[roger]

changed my mind about posting this

Edited May 16, 2016 by roger

[joeblast]

Controlling the money supply (& interest rates) is a way to keep the boom/bust cycles of the economy imperfectly in check.  You could knock out the Fed and replace it with something like the 'Med' (Money Elucidation Department), do your best to make it less political but as soon as it makes a decision some group doesn't like they'll protest, call it part of an evil conspiracy, when in fact, its simply moving a direction they don't like, using the limited tools they have.

 

That is the nature of the beast. 

 

In my opinion the US weathered the great recession better then most of the world because they didn't go the austerity route and instead turned on the money spigot;  Reassuring the nation by keeping banks,  businesses and insurance agencies  liquid and open. 

 

People in charge made hard, daring decisions that kept us from falling into a Great Depression where most banks would be bankrupted with savings, checks and credit cards becoming void.  Without there action there was a real danger of financial Armageddon.  Few understand or appreciate how close we came and the people who kept it from happening. 

 

Financial bubbles are terrible things, and when they involve real estate, which most people own, is so expensive to begin with and already has such a high

no offense bro, but you simply epitomize the mainstream viewpoint here, its superficial and useful only to the banking elite & their government cronies.  there's too much to address to even bother, one could just go watch fox news or some other bought off outlet-mouthpiece-of-the-owners and get the same drivel.

 

Right, but how did it all come about ? And who is responsible for allowing it. Once having figured that out, then you are stuck with looking in the mirror. You cannot beat the bankers, or the entire system by force, to do so would be fatal. Instead one must accept ones responsibility for the situation and not add to it. This is all you can do, to change and to change what few you can. This is to create an irresistible force, tiny first efforts that seem pointless against a Goliath, but Goliath only exists by the will of the people. Take away that support-completely peacefully-and Goliath cannot exist. Evil is weak, it exists only by men's weakness, it cannot resist determined morality. There was a great example of this on a recent quiz program. The host asked what would be required to knock down the tallest building in London with a single feather. It takes 25 blocks arranged in domino fashion, of increasing side based on a ratio. Only 25 steps and a tiny touch with a feather levels a sky scraper. It's a simple mathematical multiplication beginning with one single person convincing one other person. That's all. No need to raise an army, draw swords, or charge into battle, just pull the plug peacefully. Change your philosophy and change the world.

so you're saying the weak and lesser are at fault for the relatively stronger, evil and calculating, having fraudulently attained their position?

 

the cart is traveling .9999c and the horse is still in the barn.

[Karl]

 

 

so you're saying the weak and lesser are at fault for the relatively stronger, evil and calculating, having fraudulently attained their position?

 

 

They are not stronger, that's the point, they are extremely weak. They can't produce anything, they are totally reliant on the population for their survival. They have convinced the population that the opposite is true, that without Government they would perish.

 

Our current flap over the EU referendum is about exposing this lie. Governments-or more succinctly the parasites-are terrified that the people get a taste for freedom. Just like the Gods of old were believed to perish once the people stopped believing in them. The important thing here is that all one needs to do is to reject any and all forms of statism except where it is directly protecting inaliable rights. Just quietly withdraw consent, stop voting, stop asking for free stuff, stop being a minority asking for more privileges. Stop asking the Government to help, to get involved in anything except where it pertains to those inaliable rights.

 

Moral people get a moral government. Immoral people get an earthly hell of their own construction.

[joeblast]

oversimplification tosses the baby out with the bath water

 

 If you don't, if you operate on the assumption that your positivity is enough to make it sweet, you're done for -- and so is your country.

[Karl]

oversimplification tosses the baby out with the bath water

 

It isn't 'oversimplification'. This is not about having a positive outlook, it's about direct action.

 

Your answer ? Is it to take power from those who hold it by some form of bloody insurrection. To ignore morality and therefore act just as those you have replaced ? All coups begin with good intentions, but they are ill conceived. The only revolution is total philosophical change and that can never be imposed by force, because force is in direct opposition to liberty and reason.

 

If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it. The measure of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.

 

When you are angry then you lose objectivity and reason is replaced by the mindless mob armed with pitch forks and torches burning down property and massacring the peaceful.

[joeblast]

timely and targeted is not indiscriminate

 

when one group only responds via force, whether it is in a yin or yang way....

 

what do you do when a person is utterly intent on fighting you, and you have no way out other than dealing with someone who wishes you harm?  breaking a random window in a feeble attempt to scare them is not the right course of action.

 

and I hate it when people keep overusing Einstein's stupidest quote ever.  remember, he only said that to disparage something he could not comprehend and refused to accept, because "it wasnt the way things should be" in his head.  quite the parallel in the world today, people keep using that quote and completely disregard the context in which it was stated.

 

quantum mechanics begs to differ - repeating something over and over and over and over again will absolutely yield a different result - sooner or later - when the things unaccounted for amass and reveal themselves   the question is, when?  well that's the rub there, aint it? 

 

the question winds up becoming, how well, how complete is one's understanding of the situation?  because in missing or ignoring certain things, one may totally inadvertently toss out the entire predictive capability of his paradigm by tossing the wrong item.

Edited May 16, 2016 by joeblast

[Karl]

timely and targeted is not indiscriminate

 

when one group only responds via force, whether it is in a yin or yang way....

 

what do you do when a person is utterly intent on fighting you, and you have no way out other than dealing with someone who wishes you harm?  breaking a random window in a feeble attempt to scare them is not the right course of action.

 

and I hate it when people keep overusing Einstein's stupidest quote ever.  remember, he only said that to disparage something he could not comprehend and refused to accept, because "it wasnt the way things should be" in his head.  quite the parallel in the world today, people keep using that quote and completely disregard the context in which it was stated.

 

quantum mechanics begs to differ - repeating something over and over and over and over again will absolutely yield a different result - sooner or later - when the things unaccounted for amass and reveal themselves   the question is, when?  well that's the rub there, aint it? 

 

the question winds up becoming, how well, how complete is one's understanding of the situation?  because in missing or ignoring certain things, one may totally inadvertently toss out the entire predictive capability of his paradigm by tossing the wrong item.

 

If it comes to no other choice then I fight. However, you have to realise the futility of attacking a powerful enemy head on with your pennants fluttering in the breeze. The state can cut you down easier than a scythe through a corn field.

 

Quantum bullshit. Einstein was religious, in effect an Intrincisist, and couldn't abide the ideology which threw God out of the picture. Of course the subjectivist loved it. You can't beat a bit of pseudo science that proves your Kantian ideology and banishes God to the dumpster. Strike one for Hegel and zero for Aquinus. Hurrah Hurrah.

 

 

[joeblast]

"We're Running A F**king Casino" Congressman Admits DC Is A "Sinkhole Of Leeches"

“Voters are incredibly ignorant.

It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification . . .,” vents Congressman X.

 

He says money “corrupts” and House members are “puppets” to lobbyists who bankroll their campaigns.

 

“Business organizations and unions fork over more than $3 billion a year to those who lobby the federal government. Does that tell you something? We’re operating a f–king casino,”

he says.

 

He describes himself as a “closet moderate” who supports charter schools and tax vouchers to allow poor kids to go to private schools.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-16/were-running-fking-casino-congressman-admits-dc-sinkhole-leeches

[thelerner]

no offense bro, but you simply epitomize the mainstream viewpoint here, its superficial and useful only to the banking elite & their government cronies.  there's too much to address to even bother, one could just go watch fox news or some other bought off outlet-mouthpiece-of-the-owners and get the same drivel.

 

so you're saying the weak and lesser are at fault for the relatively stronger, evil and calculating, having fraudulently attained their position? <TL  Nope, not saying anything like that..  Thats coming from your mind>

 

the cart is traveling .9999c and the horse is still in the barn.

 

 

Wow, no understanding of what I wrote, especially when you bring up its Fox network.  I get news from many sources and divide them into very bias'd, bias'd and batshit crazy.  I regret the loss of Al'Jazeera which I considered a much better resource then Fox.  Still Fox while is highly bias'd and at times goes beyond spin into creating its own news, at times its.. right and covering things other sources don't.  Thus good to read.   

 

Imo you get your news from conspiracy sites, (you recently linked to Alex Jones).  A con men, who literally claims every year we'll be rounded up into slave camps as well as  the imminent collapse of the economy.  Every single year since he's been on.  He makes money scaring people into buying gold, silver and prepper gear.  There world predictions are either wrong or ludicrously wrong.  

 

I'm not worried about you, but what of the seniors and people who are more gullible and take his frequent rants and predictions literally.  IE, they spend every year waiting for- WWIII, Obama to put them away in FEMA camps, or the there money is about to disappear.  Every year, often several several times a year.  Its hell and its wrong.  Wrong in timing, wrong in scope.  He and his ilk play people for fools because fear is such a potent seller.  They fall for the same schtick time after time, year after year.  DISASTER, POLICE STATE COMING SOON.

 

When something disastrous does happen (and it will) these people are so used to cries of wolf they won't recognize what is bad. 

Edited May 17, 2016 by thelerner

[joeblast]

LOL scaring people into converting currency into money...LOL....oh boy...yeah, I'll just not write what I was going to write - it doesnt jive with the official™ stories, after all.    we couldnt possibly have a bank holiday here, of course!  we have full faiths and credits thereof!  we'll never have that happen!

 

of course I cant predict when psychopaths are gonna go psycho....but when you're in the same neighborhood as gacy, you'd best keep your kids safe.

Edited May 17, 2016 by joeblast

[Karl]

I find Jones a bit crazy and I also find the constant scare stories about FEMA camps and the Governments plans to eliminate/round up/imprison the population a bit wearing.

 

However, the economic story isn't far fetched, neither is the gradual destruction of Liberty, nor the dumbing down of the population.

 

If you bought Gold you are doing pretty damned nicely against stock markets investments if you are a little guy without the where with all to be tapping the fed presses. Gold is a only a currency hedge and not an investment as such, it's just better than putting it in the bank.

 

We know that the way the economy and money have been treated is the pre cursor to a massive shit storm. It's not a case of if, but only of when and in what way. Will it be a one and done landslide, a series of jumps up and then big drops down, or a more gradual and prolonged decay with the occasional moment of relief. No one knows quite when, but we can already see the signs of recession in Japan, Europe, USA, Britain and China. Downsizing, businesses closing, falls in commodity prices, Baltic dry goods, stagnant wages, falling productivity, production, retail and the beginnings of some bad news in unemployment figures. Alex Jones doesn't need to tell anyone what is becoming obvious to many people.

Edited May 18, 2016 by Karl

[joeblast]

shinies are the hedge against currency devaluation.  should not be thought of as an investment quite so much as an insurance policy that nobody can electronically steal, cannot be inflated away, you wont wake up one morning to find that the stock market fk'd up and now half of your retirement nest egg is gone.  and dont tell me that doesnt happen, because that's precisely what happened  to my "retirement investment" in the aftermath of 2008 when the banking clans decided they had to pull the rug a bit.  I know a ton of people that "lost" "tens or hundreds" in that charade.

 

 

what happens when the banking clans decide to declare that "sorry, the USA is insolvent, and now the dollar is worth 2% of the 3% it was worth before we took over your money supply"

 

again, its impossible to predict when such a thing would happen, because that is equivalent to predicting when a psychopath is going to go psycho.  it'd have been like predicting "is gg allin REALLY going to kill himself on stage tonight, or will this just be another show where he flings feces at everyone?"  but then again, that particular analogy is ass backwards (no pun intended) because while that dude ONLY lived for today, the banking clans ONLY live for their end goal of a complete lock on a debt slavery system that everyone in the world gets born into and cannot escape.  but both are willing to pull any sort of spectacular maneuvers to put on a good performance, whether its a war on drugs or demolishing buildings and telling everyone a tall tale on it.  (I know I know, some folks still believe in completely non physical fairy tales and cant tell the difference between that and what the physical sciences say very clearly about what simply cannot happen by accident.  I'm still looking around for that jim carrey clip from in living color where he's the waiter and flips trays, tables, etc so obviously on purpose while yelling oh my GOD, look what happened, BY ACCIDENT!! )

 

one only puts off the exponential function for so long...but the banking cartels want to simply erase its application everywhere it doesnt benefit them.

[Karl]

Yet you don't give any positive way forward. You are running around shouting fire and anyone daring to grab a hose or bucket is told it's a waste of time.

 

There's only so much ranting and panic that can be tolerated before people come to the conclusion that they should toast marshmallows. That's the problem with Alex Jones, it's all conspiracies but no answers. Informing people is a good thing, but it only unearths the problem, then you have to figure out what to do about it. You will drive yourself mad if you give yourself no solutions because it causes a feeling of utter helplessness in a the face of impossible odds-the result is that you can only try and transfer this helplessness onto others as your chief aim. People do eventually get fed up with a siren. I've been guilty of this in the past and I have a habit of lapsing back into it on occasion and I see the same thing in you.

Edited May 18, 2016 by Karl

[joeblast]

that's what happens when one attempts to be comprehensive and there's things left unaddressed on the table.  really, its not like shouting fire.  its like pointing at the fire over the hill and saying "that might burn its way over here" and everyone says "its burning over there, cant possibly burn that much that it will burn all the way here."   so the one who is prepared for the fire is the crazy one?  its like having a gun and not needing it, and the flip is needing a gun and not having one....by the time you need it, the time to have obtained it is past.

 

hahaha....love that logic.

 

we're just having a conversation here, I'm not telling people how to live their lives.  but this is another reason why the status quo will not change, because people have their conditioning and that's that, they are attached to the ways in which they have been conditioned and are loathe to accept evidence of its fallacies in concept, much less ever get to the point of doing anything about it.

 

sometimes I think its a curse being able to type very fast, because it gives the impression that I spend scads of time forming all of this bullshit together.  no, the only thing I really spend a lot of time forming is things of a practice nature, most often related in PM, because honestly that's about the only value this forum has for me at this point.  I'm wasting my time by participating in off topic.

 

Edited May 18, 2016 by joeblast