Can qi be felt by anyone?

[dawei]

The short answer is: YES

 

There are a few ways you can feel Qi:

1. Within yourself

2. From another person

3. From another living entity

4. From the universe

5. From another spirit/being/etc

 

While I do agree that there is a karmic influence, I think anyone can feel it now.

 

I would try this:

- get as comfortable as you can and release anything in your mind/body/spirit which binds you... just let go.

- put one hand out; focus on the palm

- on the other hand, use your index finger to point into the palm

- make very,very, very slow circles with the index finger and focus on the transmission from the finger to the palm.

- Your palm may feel various things but it should feel energy, pressure or heat.

 

This is just a local aspect of Qi

[Marblehead]

 

I would try this:

- get as comfortable as you can and release anything in your mind/body/spirit which binds you... just let go.

- put one hand out; focus on the palm

- on the other hand, use your index finger to point into the palm

- make very,very, very slow circles with the index finger and focus on the transmission from the finger to the palm.

- Your palm may feel various things but it should feel energy, pressure or heat.

 

This is just a local aspect of Qi

That turned me on sexually.  Stop doing that Dawei!

[Jim D.]

I feel Chi in my hands and fingers as a sensation of warmth or tingling  when I do Tai Chi. I think static electricity delivered from me to someone I come in contact with is my nervouse system conducting the electrical field that is there beneath my feet the obect I touch or the someone I touch.

 

Chi is the exchange of chemicals you will find in and out of the Neuron. These chemicals are necessary for the trasfer of messages from the Central Nervouse System to the receptor sites located in the muscle being used.. LIke right now, I am typing on my keyboard. If there was an interruption of the signal, my fingers would not be working. This biomedical phenomenon is called the Action Potential of a Neuron?

 

Question, can a parapeligic feel Chi? If not, how is it that they can't? Can they use their Chi to ward of someone, and if not, why not?

 

Does Chi live on after the body is postmortem?  Why doesn't the Army use Chi Development in Basic Training or Advanced Military Training e.g. Special Forces, Navy Seals etc.  

[dawei]

I feel Chi in my hands and fingers as a sensation of warmth or tingling  when I do Tai Chi. I think static electricity delivered from me to someone I come in contact with is my nervouse system conducting the electrical field that is there beneath my feet the obect I touch or the someone I touch.

 

Chi is the exchange of chemicals you will find in and out of the Neuron. These chemicals are necessary for the trasfer of messages from the Central Nervouse System to the receptor sites located in the muscle being used.. LIke right now, I am typing on my keyboard. If there was an interruption of the signal, my fingers would not be working. This biomedical phenomenon is called the Action Potential of a Neuron?

 

Question, can a parapeligic feel Chi? If not, how is it that they can't? Can they use their Chi to ward of someone, and if not, why not?

 

Does Chi live on after the body is postmortem?  Why doesn't the Army use Chi Development in Basic Training or Advanced Military Training e.g. Special Forces, Navy Seals etc.  

 

Qi is a primordial source, so most of your questions are just a local[ized] understanding.  

[lessdaomorebum]

Celibacy, earthing, sungazing, working out and other stuff will do the deal.

 

Celibacy is an unnatural perversion. I don't know what earthing is. Sun gazing causes blindness. Working out I did an awful lot of in the past. Yours was another in a long line of arrogant, condescending, presumptive posts on this thread. If people would read what I wrote, I think there would be less of such posts, but they read what they want to see.

 

[lessdaomorebum]

 Why doesn't the Army use Chi Development in Basic Training or Advanced Military Training e.g. Special Forces, Navy Seals etc.  

The CIA supposedly used astral projection. Some guy wrote a book on it. I think the Department of Defense has something to do with chee, but I haven't gotten around to watching that documentary (Jon Ronson).

[Jim D.]

What is "localized understanding."

 

The experience of Chi is subjective and therefore non-measureable, as least for now. However, branin activity is measureable. Maybe someday humans will think Chi is important enough to study scientifically.

 

Briefly, what is astral projectionn?

[dawei]

What is "localized understanding."

 

The experience of Chi is subjective and therefore non-measureable, as least for now. However, branin activity is measureable. Maybe someday humans will think Chi is important enough to study scientifically.

 

Briefly, what is astral projectionn?

 

Localized understanding is experiences that are mind, sense, and Qi dependent via the body.  These are only subjective as to one's ability to feel it.  It is objective that those who can feel it.   The body is self-measuring after all.

 

When in Medical Qigong clinicals, all ten practitioners could explain the same Qi issue in different ways.  No science is needed to study it.  As the poet Pope said, "the proper study of mankind is man"...   Just need to acquire the ability.

 

I  can't talk to astral projection except that it is still local.    To get outside of mind/body/spirit is the thing of dimensions, deities, and demons...

[Jim D.]

How is it important to feel Chi?

 

How is it important to get outside the body?

[lessdaomorebum]

Jim D.:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

 

2) You asked how is it important to feel chi. See below.

 

 

dawei:

I am not sure if the following is what you were saying or the opposite: if ten (or even two) supposed chee healers come up with different diagnoses, then there is a problem. One possibility is that one or both of them do not have the skills they think they have. The other possibility is that chee does not exist (in which case they are both fooling themselves). I covered this in a different way a little earlier in this thread when talking about how different chee gong teachers disagree _completely_ on some fundamental matters of qigong. I am here to get to the bottom of this once and for all (from my perspective).

 

If I understand your term 'localized understanding' correctly, it is just mental masturbation. Bruce Frantzis writes about meditating out to the stars, but how would he know? How does he know that sort of thing isn't just a form of mental illness? Meditation was shown to have clear health benefits decades ago, and many times since, but not meditating out to the stars.

 

Herbert Benson, in what I Iater read was an ethically controversial manner, found that Tibetan monks could do things that could not be explained by science, such as drying wet towels on their body in cold weather or raising the temperature on their finger to as high as 113 F (I think that was the number) without budging their core temperature. OK you damn qi-ites (just kidding), let's figure out if chee is real or not. Can you do something with it or can't you? Heal my back and I'll sing your praises and those of chee. Lots of people out there supposedly do distance healing. Lots more supposedly do in person healing (less convenient as I currently have no travel budget). I become less open-minded about qi by the day since everyone is all talk and everyone has a different story . . .

Edited July 15, 2016 by lessdaomorebum

[lessdaomorebum]

The short answer is: YES

 

There are a few ways you can feel Qi:

1. Within yourself

2. From another person

3. From another living entity

4. From the universe

5. From another spirit/being/etc

 

While I do agree that there is a karmic influence, I think anyone can feel it now.

 

I would try this:

- get as comfortable as you can and release anything in your mind/body/spirit which binds you... just let go.

- put one hand out; focus on the palm

- on the other hand, use your index finger to point into the palm

- make very,very, very slow circles with the index finger and focus on the transmission from the finger to the palm.

- Your palm may feel various things but it should feel energy, pressure or heat.

 

This is just a local aspect of Qi

I will try this in the coming days, especially since Marblehead said it turned him on!

 

Karma again? Basically you are saying qi is the NBA and it helps an awful lot to be tall?

Edited July 15, 2016 by lessdaomorebum

[Jim D.]

How is it important to feel Chi?

 

How is it important to get outside the body?

 

I will ask the question differently. Why is it important to feel Chi?

 

Why is it important to get outside of the body?

 

I have felt a "a field of energy"  that seems to be between me and another person. But why is that important?

[rex]

I will ask the question differently. Why is it important to feel Chi?

 

Why is it important to get outside of the body?

 

I have felt a "a field of energy"  that seems to be between me and another person. But why is that important?

Feeling chi is not particularly mysterious, anyone who experiences emotions is feeling one expression of it.

 

It's only important to feel chi if you think it's important to feel chi. People following internal arts and cultivation may place importance on feeling chi as this can provide feedback on the practises they are doing and where they are in terms of short and long term goals.

 

Getting outside the body is a specialised practice with different goals depending on the training and the tradition. It could be done to demonstrate that consciousness can function in a disembodied state with clear implications for questions relating to survival of consciousness at death, or to travel to other realms to receive or bring back teachings.

 

Feeling something between you and someone else has value as it's providing information on the quality and potentials of any interaction you may have with them. I think gut feeling is another manifestation of feeling chi.

[dawei]

I will ask the question differently. Why is it important to feel Chi?

 

Why is it important to get outside of the body?

 

I have felt a "a field of energy"  that seems to be between me and another person. But why is that important?

 

These are questions for origin/destiny... You either know the answer or you don't.  

[Jim D.]

These are questions for origin/destiny... You either know the answer or you don't.  

 

 

For me, the answer given seems to be etheral or vague. I do not understand your answers. I respectfully am asking the question(s) because I do not have the answer. I am not asking about origin nor destiny. I am asking how is it that something that is discussed as much as it is be so unimportant as to not address questions about this phenonmena.

[Bindi]

I will ask the question differently. Why is it important to feel Chi?

 

Why is it important to get outside of the body?

 

I have felt a "a field of energy"  that seems to be between me and another person. But why is that important?

Medical Qigong adds a practical perspective to Qi that might start to answer these questions, try this article - 

http://keystohealing.ca/?p=791 

[lessdaomorebum]

I am not into the martial arts, and don't like violence, but try some of these. They are actually related to dawei's bizarre comments. Note how out of sync the teacher's and student's movements are.

 

Lama Dildo

 

Or begin this after the one minute mark.

 

They need to rehearse more, just like the above two videos.

 

I guess it don't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0DXOsfIv4E

 

Expert fisherman

 

Watch any aikido demonstration, including by Ueshiba, in slow motion. Pure dance, doing what the master wants.

 

 

 

Lest you think I am simply a skeptic of anything I can't do, contrast the above with some straightforward tai chi push stuff, clearly explained and in slow motion.

[Brian]

Having read this whole thread, I suspect my response will be soundly rejected but...

 

<shrug>

 

Your cup is full.

 

You have convinced yourself that you know what is and what isn't, that you understand abilities and limitations, that you can tell illusion from reality, when it is clear that you have manifested your own reality and now seek validation.

 

Your attachments bind you but your blinders prevent you from seeing past those attachments so you instead see reinforcements of those convictions everywhere.

 

You may have noticed that quite a number of contributors quickly dropped out of this thread but I'd bet a doughnut you interpret that backwards.

 

<shrug>

 

-out-

[Jim D.]

Pardon me, who is the you you're referring to. There does not seem to be a quote in your comment.

 

Brian, the picture that is being used to associate your name with you is very interesting, even disturbing. As I read this pictures feeling level he seems to be desperate in the moment where he is about to be impaled by a sword or a knife.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Jim D.

[Brian]

Pardon me, who is the you you're referring to. There does not seem to be a quote in your comment.

Sorry, Jim! I was speaking to lessdaomorebum.

 

What I would tell you is, don't worry about what you think you should feel.

[Jim D.]

Sorry, Jim! I was speaking to lessdaomorebum.

 

What I would tell you is, don't worry about what you think you should feel.

 

I am in this moment of my life trying to open my mind to the possibility of learning about what was not interesting to me before I became a DoaBum.

 

Bindi was most helpful in sending along a website that I related to very well.  Every philosophy seem to have their own language. But when it all shakes out, It seems we are talking about the same thing and experiencing the same life.

[Zhongyongdaoist]

Brian, the picture that is being used to associate your name with you is very interesting, even disturbing. As I read this pictures feeling level he seems to be desperate in the moment where he is about to be impaled by a sword or a knife.

Thanks Brian! (are you really a Brian or do you just love Life of Brian?)

Both, in fact.

I hope Brian won't mind me spilling the beans about his biopic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Last sentence was originally written as "I don't think Brian would mind . . . ", hastily edited just before post to "I hope Brian would mind . . . ", "would" of course should have been changed also.  When I came back to look, I noticed the mistake, so I corrected it to "I hope Brian won't mind . . . "., which is what was intended.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Zhongyongdaoist

[lessdaomorebum]

Having read this whole thread, I suspect my response will be soundly rejected but...

 

<shrug>

 

Your cup is full.

 

You have convinced yourself that you know what is and what isn't, that you understand abilities and limitations, that you can tell illusion from reality, when it is clear that you have manifested your own reality and now seek validation.

 

Your attachments bind you but your blinders prevent you from seeing past those attachments so you instead see reinforcements of those convictions everywhere.

 

You may have noticed that quite a number of contributors quickly dropped out of this thread but I'd bet a doughnut you interpret that backwards.

 

<shrug>

 

-out-

Sure, for example your teacher dropped out after one arrogant post. You call that a teacher? Like you, he offered nothing constructive. At least that saved me one more teacher I didn't have to look into as a possibility.

 

Why not address my questions rather than address me? Could it be that you realize I am on to something? Do you actually think the videos are legitimate? Watch how out of sync they are, how unconnected master and student are in their movements.

 

Did you not notice the "contributors" themselves disagreeing vociferously? Anyway, people typically drop out of threads. I know I do; I say my peace and move on, but since this thread is mine, I have stayed

 

Did you not read my post (you said you read the whole thread) where I pointed out the fact that teachers disagree on even the most basic or important aspects of qigong, often saying X is harmful or nonexistent or a waste of time while another school says X is the best? That is why I have made analogies with weight lifting, drawing, piano, etc. What other subject (even tarot card reading or astral projection) has such wide disagreement among adherents?

 

Maybe qi is real. I am still asking the question, but replies such as yours are of no help to anyone. Read your reply, please. It is arrogance and nothing else. You didn't say, "Hey, try this technique or contact this teacher" as some nice people have done. Your whole lengthy reply is your godlike judgment of me. Nothing else is in there.

Edited July 16, 2016 by lessdaomorebum

[Jeff]

I will ask the question differently. Why is it important to feel Chi?

 

Why is it important to get outside of the body?

 

I have felt a "a field of energy"  that seems to be between me and another person. But why is that important?

Feeling chi (energy) can be important as it is a sign of deeper perception of "mind". Thing like anger and emotions are energy/chi at a mundane level of mind. As one opens to deeper levels, they begin to be able to differentiate. It is like beginning to be able to see beyond the curtain.

 

Getting outside the body may or may not be useful. While the value of it is that one then now "knows" that they are not just the body (because they were able to get beyond it), it can be sort of an ego trap, as one now gets caught up in all of the cool things that they see or hear. All of that can just strengthen the sense of self that is powerful and can do stuff.

 

Feeling the field of energy between you and another person is an import first step in breaking down the local body mind sense of self. First you notice the energy between people you are close to (or attracted to), then everyone, then more broadly your environment. As it expands, one moves from feeling the energy with everything to more being the energy with everything.

 

The really big step is moving from "seeing" (individual - interaction with separate stuff) to "being" (increasingly noticing all as not separate).

[blue eyed snake]

Maybe qi is real. I am still asking the question, but replies such as yours are of no help to anyone. Read your reply, please. It is arrogance and nothing else. You didn't say, "Hey, try this technique or contact this teacher" as some nice people have done. Your whole lengthy reply is your godlike judgment of me. Nothing else is in there.

 

yes, Chi is real, but to become aware of it being sort of empty, making space for it is needed, I do not read the arrogance you see in Brian's post. but he is blunt, it's the same bluntness I appreciate in my teacher. Just saying how it is. Sometimes the world mirrors your own emotions.

 

And practice, I've been bedridden for months and am still very weak, but i do practice. meditation can be done lying down, even some playing with chi can be done laying down. i cannot do my standing posture for an hour as i like, but i can do standing posture for 5 minutes, and repeat that over the day.

 

In my country we have a saying: those who want find a way, those who do not want find excuses.

 

 

and this is the story of the teacup

 

http://bengtwendel.com/your-teacup-is-full-empty-your-cup/

Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era, received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”

Like this cup, Nan-in said, you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?

 

 

love Bes