Ejaculation control

[EnergyWitch]

Well this isn't really about ejaculation control in the conventional sense.

 

I want to know more about the ability to orgasm without actually leaking any ejaculate.

 

At the moment I'm trying to introduce my boyfriend to tantra. He is not very spiritual, but is very open-minded, and understands deep emotional concepts. He has never done any spiritual practice before, but I just want to show him the physical benefits first before throwing him in at the deep end.

 

He's 21, gets hard easily, and keeps it quite well depending on the position, and can last very long if need be. He has excellent ejaculation control due to years of 'stop-starting' type of masturbation. In fact sometimes he has trouble coming, (it has nothing to do with over-masturbating or excessive porn).

 

 

Anyway, I am familiar with basic taosim, and have heard that there is a spot between the anus and balls that feels like a round indent in the skin. When a man approaches orgasm, and squeezes his pc muscles really tight, along with pressing this spot he can stop himself ejaculating, - whilst still having an orgasm.

 

Can anyone tell me more about this?

[joeblast]

Read Trunk's stuff on that topic on alchemicaltaoism, he's got a good writeup on the pitfalls of 'manual assistance.' Doing that still leads the jing from its residence, so to speak. As far as a prostate og without ejaculation...no experience there But as I understand its going to require plenty of training to do.

[mantis]

sigh, this is all this neotantrism crap i fell into.

 

to be quite bland

 

there is no orgasm without ejaculating. say this to yourself over and over and over and over again. and then some more.

 

it's all jargon that these snake oil salesmen (LOL xenolith) who claim to know tantra are trying to sell to you. this does not mean having sex without ejaculating does not feel good. recognize the difference. move the energy up to your head. just do it.

 

the only reason one would want to orgasm without ejaculation is because they want the benefits of keeping the sperm while still having quote "great sex." the whole point of not having an orgasm has been misunderstood. it is like the vajroli mudra, they are nitpicking at a loop hole here.

 

stop thinking of sex as something you will orgasm from and then it will be over. look at the root and ask yourself why do you still want to orgasm? treat sex as a divine ritual.

Edited November 19, 2007 by mantis

[Mal]

Mmmm Agree with everything except for.

 

there is no orgasm without ejaculating.

 

Supprised that you would say that, espicially with you good retention habbits. Sure it doens't feel the same, but I have something that I would call an orgasm without ejaculation. I will have to give your post some thought.

 

As to the orginal post, check out Trunks site (excellent) and espicially the info from Dr Lyn. I like his method, some fun things in there for both of you

[mantis]

look deeper in my post.

 

it's all jargon that these snake oil salesmen (LOL xenolith) who claim to know tantra are trying to sell to you. this does not mean having sex without ejaculating does not feel good. recognize the difference. move the energy up to your head. just do it.

 

calling it an orgasm will make the ego expect something intense and fast, as is the nature of an orgasm. if you practice without looking for anything you will surely find

[Adam West]

Yep, in my experience, there is definitely orgasm without ejaculation. I practice it about every two or three weeks as part of my celibacy practice. There is a point just before the point of no return when the orgasm takes place that is perhaps energetic rather than biological (involving the ejaculatory reflex); however, other bio mechanisms are in operation also like changes in brain chemistry such as increases dopamine and serotonin etc., so it would be inaccurate to suggest there are no bio-relations involved. By doing this, one can have as many orgasms as one likes during sex or auto-stimulation. I believe Yogani promotes a version of this, which is said to help develop kundalini activity and the nervous system in general; further suggesting it evolves into something profoundly energetic and consciousness affecting.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

[Aspirin]

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Edited June 24, 2016 by Aspirin

[Adam West]

[宁]

dudes, kill the motor one sec

before starting to write long lists of philosophical debates, try to define orgasm

 

orgasm = ?

 

and start it from there

 

my take: orgasm is a general term for a variety of states... no one feels the orgasm EXACTLY the way others do... this happens especially if you try and educate your sexual life. the larger the education, the larger the variety. as with food, there are two distinctions: gourmand, and gourmet.

the one that has to have it all, and now, and the one that is more inclined in savouring, quality like.

 

also we could try the latin and greek definition

 

also the biological definition

 

please stop making general sentence-like assumptions

 

we are unique and we experiment these things unique.

those that prefer not educating sexual life, dont worry, you are still educated, by social unwritten rules

the funniest thing about spontaneity and naturalness is that it has to be (re)learned

 

Have fun

[Queer Tribal]

[mantis]

this is going to end up bad.

[Adam West]

I just speak of my personal experience and experimentations. Also, my personal intuitions and research. These are are qualified by 'my...' or, 'I would argue..' or, 'in my view...' That is all we can do, from my perspective, any absolutist statements or assumptions would seem to be indefensible and entirely too problematic to make. So, I don't think they contribute anything constructive to the conversation; therefore, I try not to make use of them.

 

It is clear to me, however, that in addition to the above personal insights - of whatever value they may be - we can do cross cultural research and see what is consistent throughout the historical documentation of human experience - particularly the mystics, but humans in general.

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

[Mal]

this is going to end up bad.

 

[宁]

thank you, Queer Tribal, what a nice name, i wonder what you mean with that name

also Adam West sounds to me likehomo vesticus... that is, the western man, with the western mindset

what a nice company here, huh?

 

[Adam West]

thank you, Queer Tribal, what a nice name, i wonder what you mean with that name

also Adam West sounds to me likehomo vesticus... that is, the western man, with the western mindset

what a nice company here, huh?

 

 

Hahaha... I'm not to sure what you mean here... are you trying to insult me... or just being funny? In any case, I enjoyed the laugh... Thanks, most amusing to be sure!

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

[宁]

yeap, I see yo'r having a blast. not insulting, you nice fella'

 

[Mal]

stop thinking of sex as something you will orgasm from and then it will be over. look at the root and ask yourself why do you still want to orgasm? treat sex as a divine ritual.

calling it an orgasm will make the ego expect something intense and fast, as is the nature of an orgasm. if you practice without looking for anything you will surely find

 

Hi Mantis,

 

Told you I would think about this and I'm glad I did. I must admit was expecting "something" from sex without ejaculation. I had my own ideas of what this would be like, rather than just being in the now and experiencing it.

 

Thanks you.

 

p.s. High school girls might not be intrested, but real women will love you, hang in there.

[Queer Tribal]

thank you, Queer Tribal, what a nice name, i wonder what you mean with that name

 

My zine is called Queer Tribes, and it's about queer tribes. Since I'm queer, and I have my own tribe, that makes me Queer Tribal. Witness the depth of my insight.

[宁]

I stand rebuked