What happens when we die

[Direwolf]

I like to think of an afterlife myself, I suppose you could go through life considering that you merely return to the earth and that your life is merely a temporary existence, a temporary combination of elements that simply return to wince they came. But I like to consider the latter the worst case scenario myself.

[Jim D.]

It is comforting to imgine that our life will go on in a state of painless animation.

[CloudHands]

I still don't know, but the closest experience I know happened to my wife and was very well corroborated by facts. 

 

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/33628-recital-of-her-experience/ 

[Marblehead]

It is comforting to imgine that our life will go on in a state of painless animation.

 

Yeah, but I keep reminding my buddy, who is a Christian, that when he gets to Heaven it will seem more like Hell because there will be all the beautiful angels and he won't be able to touch a single one of them.

[Jim D.]

Spirituality is the how of our existence. Instead of being controversial, I would rather be honest. I really don't know what happens at the point of death, other than what I have seen happened to my father, and mother, family members and the elderly and not so elderly who were in the process of dying when I worked in Nursing Homes. Outside of these experiences, I only have heard or read about the question of death in literature created by professional, and not so professionals. Everyone seems to be guessing...searching.

 

I don't think of death because there is so much more time left to live. If I had a year, I suppose I would be frightened at the thought that I would no longe exist in a while. I might look back over the years and pick out how I failed to do this or that, or be this or that. I might be afraid enough to go back to the Faith that I was born into hoping for redemption because surely I don't deserve it. Going back to my Faith would be a diversion, a way of coping with the inevitable. And even this would feel empty and raise doubts and unanswered questions.

 

I would morn that some day soon I would have to close my eyes...no longer being able to open them and see my wife again.

 

These are the realities I know and there will be no comfort until I make peace with the inevitabilty of death. I will not have to face death, until death faces me. I and I alone can only be the one to stand and look death in the face as no other can because I alone live in this body.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Jim D.

[Gerard]

Find out through practice and you'll never ask this question again It's not a big deal of a topic once you know for sure and also you won't be afraid of physical extinction after all.

[Jim D.]

Find out through practice and you'll never ask this question again It's not a big deal of a topic once you know for sure and also you won't be afraid of physical extinction after all.

 

Through what practice? Please explain.

[blue eyed snake]

Yeah, but I keep reminding my buddy, who is a Christian, that when he gets to Heaven it will seem more like Hell because there will be all the beautiful angels and he won't be able to touch a single one of them.

 

ah, but the Muslims get all those beautiful Houri's to enjoy themselves... I've  always wondered whether there is an equivalent  for the ladies to enjoy themselves. 

[Marblehead]

ah, but the Muslims get all those beautiful Houri's to enjoy themselves... I've  always wondered whether there is an equivalent  for the ladies to enjoy themselves. 

Nope.  You ladies are SOL if you are Muslim.  At least the Christians are more equal.

 

There have been a few maternal cultures on the planet but they didn't last long.  Perhaps in their culture and belief system the ladies got 76 young studs?

[lessdaomorebum]

C T, on 28 Jun 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

Its not what comes back, more about what is left behind. Some die and leave a lasting, altruistic or beneficial legacy which grows lots of other healthy, beneficial legacies, so in this way the person takes 'rebirth' from the actions of this life. It could happen that some leave shit behind, and this can screw many generations to come too, especially those that steal the innocence and purity of women and children, or make victims of others' goodness. 

 

As its known, emotions, good or bad, are not the person - these are energies, and their imprints can go on indefinitely.

From page 1 of this thread.

 

Thanks for your misandrist drivel. Innocence of women? Give me a break. The evil of women typically manifests differently than in men, but there is no less evil.

[lessdaomorebum]

ah, but the Muslims get all those beautiful Houri's to enjoy themselves... I've  always wondered whether there is an equivalent  for the ladies to enjoy themselves. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but Muslims get 72 virgins? That is not heaven, more like hell. Heaven would be 72 s!@ts (and I use that term with the utmost respect).

[Marblehead]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Muslims get 72 virgins? That is not heaven, more like hell. Heaven would be 72 s!@ts (and I use that term with the utmost respect).

But the virgins don't have a set mind about that stuff yet.  You could train them to do as you wish.  Older women are untrainable.

[blue eyed snake]

Nope.  You ladies are SOL if you are Muslim.  At least the Christians are more equal.

 

There have been a few maternal cultures on the planet but they didn't last long.  Perhaps in their culture and belief system the ladies got 76 young studs?

 

SOL? ( i'm not native english mister)

 

and I would not want  young studs, I prefer experienced hands. 76 seems a bit too much, unless it's just the pool I can pick from 

 

this reminds me of the bible, in the ten commandments it says that you guys should not even look longingly at another female than your married wife. Not a word about wives her, so that means we are allowed to do some fence-hopping without being turned into sinners. Or do I get that wrong? I'm not raised a christian you see, so i sometimes have some troubles interpreting those texts.

[lessdaomorebum]

Nope.  You ladies are SOL if you are Muslim.  At least the Christians are more equal.

 

There have been a few maternal cultures on the planet but they didn't last long.  Perhaps in their culture and belief system the ladies got 76 young studs?

The Naxi (納西族) of China's Yunnan province had a matriarchal system into the mid 20th century. They had a practice know as the walking marriage. When she didn't want a guy around anymore, she would put this shoes outside the door; that was his eviction notice. Anthropologists found that some women had more than 100 'husbands' this way.

 

 

Actually, most societies are matriarchal. As Dilbert author Scott Adams has said, "If men ruled the world, they could get sex anywhere, anytime. Restaurants would give you sex instead of breath mints on the way out. Gas stations would give sex with every fill-up. Banks would give sex to anyone who opened a checking account." (from The Dilbert Future, chapter 7, "The Future of Gender Relations"). BTW, I am being totally serious. Sex is parceled out in a miserly way by most females, intentionally for her power. Hence, my sincere and deep respect for 'sluts' and nymphomaniacs. I adore them.

[blue eyed snake]

But the virgins don't have a set mind about that stuff yet.  You could train them to do as you wish.  Older women are untrainable.

 

the same goes for guys, when you're somewhat older you just have to find one that suits you...

[blue eyed snake]

The Naxi (納西族) of China's Yunnan province had a matriarchal system into the mid 20th century. They had a practice know as the walking marriage. When she didn't want a guy around anymore, she would put this shoes outside the door; that was his eviction notice. Anthropologists found that some women had more than 100 'husbands' this way.

 

 

Actually, most societies are matriarchal. As Dilbert author Scott Adams has said, "If men ruled the world, they could get sex anywhere, anytime. Restaurants would give you sex instead of breath mints on the way out. Gas stations would give sex with every fill-up. Banks would give sex to anyone who opened a checking account." (from The Dilbert Future, chapter 7, "The Future of Gender Relations"). BTW, I am being totally serious. Sex is parceled out in a miserly way by most females, intentionally for her power. Hence, my sincere and deep respect for 'sluts' and nymphomaniacs. I adore them.

 

I do not agree with the notion that most societies are matriarchal, but i do agree with your description of how many women treat sex as a way of controlling men. sex is meant for happy bodily sharing, and if it does not give that there is something wrong.

[lessdaomorebum]

But the virgins don't have a set mind about that stuff yet.  You could train them to do as you wish.  Older women are untrainable.

I see nothing incorrect in what you say, but may I humbly suggest that something is missing? Nature.

 

Most men have a strong innate desire to *^%*. For women, it is not nearly so universal, that's why women's sexuality has historically been more easy to keep under control.

 

It is interesting how you can look at women from an until recently conservative society like China (to say nothing of Japan, the US, etc), and see how most girls have sex for the first time and then have a fairly take it or leave it attitude, while some dislike it, and a few really want it.

 

I have a close Chinese friend who grew up in a village and swears up and down she never thought about sex until she first had it at age 17. I knew her scant months later at age 18 and she was already a voracious man killer (but it was the best way to die). By age 23 she told me she had had more than 100 men (her book would be a bestseller). Similar stories exist. On the other hand, most women I have known are just okay with sex. To the other extreme, I have another close friend, a 29 year old Chinese woman, who has never even seen a man's private parts. However, she has let on in discussions that she is not wholly unaware of her desires.

 

Add to this the fact that while most men are desperately trying to get some, if you are a nymphomaniac, all you need to do is choose a guy that is to your liking since he will most likely be willing.

Edited July 13, 2016 by lessdaomorebum

[lessdaomorebum]

SOL? ( i'm not native english mister)

 

 Shit out of luck. It means that the situation will not work out for you, or has not worked out for you.

[Marblehead]

SOL? ( i'm not native english mister)

 

I expected that question.  The answer above is correct.

 

and I would not want  young studs, I prefer experienced hands. 76 seems a bit too much, unless it's just the pool I can pick from 

 

You have to broaden your perspective a bit.  You rotate their days off.  Most are working doing your bidding while those taking the day off will be available for your pleasure.

 

this reminds me of the bible, in the ten commandments it says that you guys should not even look longingly at another female than your married wife. Not a word about wives her, so that means we are allowed to do some fence-hopping without being turned into sinners. Or do I get that wrong? I'm not raised a christian you see, so i sometimes have some troubles interpreting those texts.

 

Good point.  The Bible speaks to the men.  The writers of the Bible already knew that the women wouldn't listen to them anyhow.

 

 

[Marblehead]

I see nothing incorrect in what you say, but may I humbly suggest that something is missing? Nature.

I have a lot of things missing.

[rex]

Not a moan but an observation - It's interesting to see how the topic of death invites reflection on living. So along with biking and guitars the conversation has turned to sex as well. Hardly suprising as Eros and Thanatos are powerful elements in the psyche. 

[Pilgrim]

I have had near death experiences. Here is how one occurred.

 

Drowning contrary to what some believe, is not a bad way to go, just remember if you ever find yourself in this kind of predicament to hold your breath until you black out, then you are good to go.

 

Yes it can be done you just hold your breath and when the urge to breath comes you let the body convulse and breath its own retained air by letting the lungs throat and abdomen pump like crazy but refuse to inhale water and refuse to exhale air.

 

Really all you have to do is refuse to inhale or exhale the body will freak out on it's own.

 

This will put you into an anaerobic state and soon the black clouds will form at the periphery of your vision and your awareness will pinpoint to a point  of light and then you will Know no more.

 

This is all very peaceful after a while if you have the ability to watch your own death.

 

The body convulsing is strange to watch and you do feel a bit sorry for the poor ignorant thing and would like to tell it to calm down but it will not listen and you know it, but it is only trying hard to live and do a good job so there is great compassion for the companion body.

 

This is a strange point of view to explain it is like when you try to pick up a pet and they know they are going to the vet, the poor thing just looses it's composure. Now that these words are written it may actually be the mind that is witnessed as loosing it's composure during the dying out.

 

Hmmmm..... Makes sense.

 

Even then you know it is over so it is not so bad in many ways it is a relief.

 

I never saw a tunnel, or anything else in fact it was just as I described it above going out to a darkness so dark that it does not even matter, silence so quiet that it does not matter, a peace so profound of restfulness like even the best sleep can never give, a stillness so still there is no mind to report anything and how could it anyway without sensory apparatus? Mostly there is freedom.

 

"The Freedom from Self Awareness, a Freedom from Being Aware of Being Aware" This being aware of being aware is a tremendous burden sentient beings are so afraid of not ever being aware of being aware and all worries and fears find their beginning right here with his one preoccupation of the mind. this then turns into horrible perversions in the world all for the sake of self preservation and aggrandizement of an impermanent self.

 

After being rescued and returning to the body life it was the opposite of going out.

 

Coming back is  like being born. It reminds me of coming out of the vagina into the bright lights the cold air and the anxious people grabbing and pulling and holding with all kinds a loud noises but not as disorienting because the brain and organs are more developed.

 

Coming back is the opposite of going out.

 

When going out the black clouds shimmy and shake with a rushing noise in the ears and the vision pinpoints as the blackness irises forward shutting out the light to a bright pinpoint before totality of separation from body life.

 

In the coming back you are aware of a point of light in the distance. This point of light gets your attention but you are still pure awareness which is not self aware.

 

This leads to the certainty that there is no such thing as a self to begin with until you become self conscious which requires a body and a mind.

 

Without body there is no mind. Without mind there is no self, to be self conscious. Only sentient beings living in bodies have this predicament of Self Realization. Quite amusing from a certain point of view considering how much it has been sold as a big thing.

 

By the very act of lending this pinpoint of light attention it is as if you move towards it, like you are getting pulled by it and there is a feeling of,oh no and inevitability that you are caught and there is no getting free of this grasp of human life becoming self aware, of being aware & self conscious.

 

The entire process is very subjective, darkness could also be said to be pulling back.

 

It is like poking your head through a sleeve of a very close knit sweater without texture only gravity itself is pulling your head through the sleeve. Not forceps.

 

As you come closer and closer to the end of the sleeve you get more and more light and the mind then becomes self aware of its own awareness and the body is vibrating I literally felt electric vibration in the heart and the lungs and all throughout the body as the switch of involvement with a body was thrown on again and the body re-energized with current.

 

I saw the sky and did not know what it was I was looking at and then realized it was the sky because it was blue and there were white puffy clouds. I remembered what sky meant. Then I remembered what had just happened.

 

And this is how it was.

 

When the Samadhi of no heart beat is returned from it is also a allot like this but the transitions are smoother but not so much different. You do however regain self awareness more smoothly and early enough to watch what it is like to not have a mind, a heartbeat or the need to breath. This is very nice.

 

Where ones awareness is in a state of no longer being aware of being aware is identical.

 

Wherever that is, is something allot better than just okay.

 

The return from near death and the return from Samadhi of no heart beating and no lungs breathing both have one thing in common.

 

Sorrow & Regret.

 

Regret and sadness that you are aware of being aware.

 

Regret to be here now compared to the not knowing you just were. Where ever that was whatever it is it is a completeness and it is good.

 

This fades, but you carry it in the pit of your heart and no one can say why it should be like this only that it is.

 

Life is good.

 

Death is not being self aware.

 

It is good also.

 

You do not know how good Death is until you come back on line and become self aware of being aware, the self consciousness aspect of awareness is what all sentient beings cling to in great fear of loosing what is a conditional aspect of our existence that is entirely codependent on so many factors as to defy calculation.

 

You do not know how Good life is until the light is being closed off and there is regret that is is so but there is also a great inward sigh of relief. Ahhh finally at last, rest......

 

That which is not so good is the transitioning, from one state to the other.

 

Transitioning is the rough part.

 

It is during this transitioning however that insights are gained because one is fully here one finds oneself or not as the case may be and either are good.

 

When it comes to transitioning brought about by practices the transition out is very good all is alive with a very high state of energy the highest in the brain and the spinal cord and the entire body is filled with feelings so wonderful as to be having an electric orgasm in every cell as the cells of the body vibrate beyond there ability to contain the golden light that comes in waves upon waves building to higher and higher energetic states so that it feels as if the ail around you might start crackling.

 

Then you become aware of a light in the distance and realize you were not.

 

You have no idea for how long you were not.

 

Then there is regret at becoming again.

 

Then there is reluctance to continue in the direction of life.

 

So the transition back to body life is filled with sadness and regret and sorrow. Why this is so I do not know. From this I can only assume that which can not come back with me must be wonderful. There is no memory of what that is but the closest analogy is something like this.

 

Imagine what it is like to be 18 or 19 years old again in the full upward swing of young adult youth when emotions run high and everything matters so very much out of proportion to what your older self would think.

 

Love is more intense, longing is more desperate.

 

You are a Handsome young man with a good body and your lady is a beautiful young woman with a great body you have the most amazing sex together and when it is over can not help but fall in each others arms with deep admiration and mutual love and respect and tenderness that when considered in that moment chokes the throat and constricts the heart with appreciation for the fleeting moment.

 

You feel OH so lucky all over again with a magnetic desire that holds you together sharing your warmth and every time you have to go to work it is with a feeling of desperate anguish at the separation.

 

Over time through repetition you realize that this great feeling is an is agony because it does not last.

 

The coming together again is so intoxicating you maintain this cycle of anguish and ecstasy yet in the times of separation the  there is suffering. Then you focus on your work and it becomes ok there also. If you can feel these words then you have an idea of what the transitioning back phase is like.

 

You are leaving your beloved and can never see her ever again, because to do so means death.

 

You are also blessed to have life and there is a comfort because you know that one day after fulfilling the obligations of life you will get to return to your beloved and this changes the perspective from dread or acceptance of the inevitable to one of getting ones gift back.

 

The normal death transition will still be rough.

 

The practice led type of transitioning is one where you just let it all in, dropping all your guards letting it all out and you realize that the you, that is, is something much, much bigger than the body and at some point you laugh with the realization and wonder how was I ever contained in here?

 

Neither state has been permanent in my experience both are transitional and I fully expect and allow that my ability to perceive is not so well developed as others, otherwise perhaps I could report about angels and other things but for me there was only a stillness and a peace that defies all description.

 

It can also be said that the death side of things is like still being turned on it is not like the body dies and you get turned off like a light switch.

 

It is like the core of you remains on, but it is being on, in a different way and there is no awareness of your own existence let alone anyone else.

 

Somehow this is good but it is impossible to explain and even more impossible to expect anyone to understand but the attempt is made anyway, perhaps it will alleviate suffering?

[Jim D.]

I humbly submit to you my observation that men will give love for sex, and women will give sex for love. Women are basically "nesters" and men are basically "hunters" I think that over the evolution of the this planet to include humans, woman figured out that if they were to keep a man around they needed to be sexually available more often than their period of ovulation. But as time went on, Clans developed, tribes developed, cohorts developed, populaions developed and so on. What didn't change were the rules...if you want sex often than stay with me and our children.

 

Since women are physiologically built differently than men they tend to be weaker physically...therefore the need for the male counterpart. A woman's only negotiable attribute is her willing to have, or not have sex with her "committed male."  The word committed in this sense means emotionally committed. Moreover, it seems that the male has to some degree attained a certain degree of emotional sophistication. The nomadic male is still there within him, but has been evolutionarily suppressed through agreed upon norms, mores and cultural standards.

 

Of course, there are always deviations from the norm which comes out in affairs, divorce, subsance abuse, gambling, sexual addiction. And this is the same for both females and males.

 

It has been my observation that no matter who we as males, we have contitioned females to be what we want them to be. We have in a sense exploited them. They are however underneath, very interested in being cherished, defended, cared about, cared for, and seen as special. Sex has become a way for the female to get a lttle piece of the pie if it is offered by the male. In other words, if the female's only way to receive physical touch and attention is in bed, she will opt for it hoping the male will get her and what's she really wants and needs...that is communication.

[Marblehead]

 

 

[Jim D.]

Great Balls of fire MH!!!!!!!!