Twin Towers

[Lois]

Twin Towers

I read an interesting article. There are many unexpected facts. Here is one of them. The tower began to shake for 12 seconds before the fall. What are the views why she started to shake?

 

[joeblast]

jet fuel was not the cause of the collapse, any remotely honest stoichiometric analysis of the events would show that there simply were not enough BTUs available to both turn all that office furnishing into black goop and then heat the structure so very evenly that it performed a random advanced engineering feat and collapsed symmetrically.  virtually everything was fireproof, high rise buildings are almost entirely made of fireproof materials because fire is the greatest danger in a high rise structure.  fire also does not explain the nanoparticulate, the lack of seismic signature for the events, or the preposterous wiggling in the magnetic record that only started once the first building was hit and only stopped once 7 fell.

 

 

I honestly cant believe people still have doubts about this at this point in time, the "official" story is so blatantly false and nonphysical its just not even funny.

[Karl]

I think the conspiracy theories are covering reality:

 

Saudi funding and Saudi involvement in US politics and the personal fortunes amassed by several high profile politicians.

The complete failure of the US Government to defend its citizens from attack.

The failure of the intelligence agencies to be effective in a country which prides itself on such work.

The most powerful country in the world reduced to a helpless mess.

An ineffective president.

Bad foreign policy.

Bad internal policy.

The lack of security and safety for US passenger planes.

Poor response to incidents by Government and its agencies.

 

 

Every criticism should have been aimed at the Government, but instead it got diluted by the distraction of conspiracy theorists and the illegal war prosecuted against Iraq whilst allegedly searching for Bin Laden. That one man with a mobile phone living in a cave was able to attack the very heart of the most powerful nation on earth with impunity puts any Governments competency and legitamacy into question. It should have asked what was the state doing with all the money it gets from tax payers.

[Lois]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/06/29/were-the-twin-towers-blown-up-by-bombs-on-911-researchers-at-the-university-of-alaska-are-about-to-find-out/

[joeblast]

ah yes, 7, that contained all the SEC investigations into Enron, WorldComm, etc - too much incriminating evidence to let the main target stay standing, even if the target didnt wind up getting hit.

 

 

explosives still dont explain the nanoparticulate, the lack of seismic signature, or the freaky magnetic record readings, though.  the area is bedrock and should seismically transmit well.

[Karl]

ah yes, 7, that contained all the SEC investigations into Enron, WorldComm, etc - too much incriminating evidence to let the main target stay standing, even if the target didnt wind up getting hit.

 

 

explosives still dont explain the nanoparticulate, the lack of seismic signature, or the freaky magnetic record readings, though.  the area is bedrock and should seismically transmit well.

The aircraft may well have contained bombs. If the terrorists had prepared well, then something in the cargo hold might well have survived the impact and detonated later. Making evidence go away takes far less effort than flying two passenger aircraft into a building. Look at Hillary for evidence. All that is required is a delete button and friends in high places. Destroying the centre of New York is overkill.

[joeblast]

unpossible.  for one, 7 wasnt hit with anything except a chunk of one of the 2 larger, and the fire was off in the corner of the building and if that were the cause of the collapse then no way would it have been a symmetrical freefall.  and the cores of both the larger ones were completely obliterated.  there is simply no way in hell that jet fuel made the cores of those two towers disappear - because a simple demolition most certainly would not have made them disappear.  in the first video you see the spire drop before the roof does - means the core was removed.  there is no way in hell the top 20 floors can pulverize the bottom 90 floors into dust.

 

its really a simple matter to demonstrate that the commission report is perhaps the most fraudulent taxpayer funded document ever produced.

[Karl]

unpossible.  for one, 7 wasnt hit with anything except a chunk of one of the 2 larger, and the fire was off in the corner of the building and if that were the cause of the collapse then no way would it have been a symmetrical freefall.  and the cores of both the larger ones were completely obliterated.  there is simply no way in hell that jet fuel made the cores of those two towers disappear - because a simple demolition most certainly would not have made them disappear.  in the first video you see the spire drop before the roof does - means the core was removed.  there is no way in hell the top 20 floors can pulverize the bottom 90 floors into dust.

 

its really a simple matter to demonstrate that the commission report is perhaps the most fraudulent taxpayer funded document ever produced.

Well, until you come forward with proof I'm believing the official version and the sight of two planes hitting those towers.

 

Even if I accept the premise it was a black op. Let's first consider the implications of weeks covertly spent rigging cutting charges in each of the buildings without detection. Then finding a way to remotely fly two/four passenger aircraft into those buildings without anyone knowing about it. None of that is impossible of course, just improbable.

 

Let's say that's what happened, that they managed to do this all covertly without one single person saying anything. Then they killed several thousand people and cause a financial collapse. It even made the Government look incompetent, but never mind. They did all that because....?

 

Wouldn't it just have been easier to send a task force to retrieve this dangerous information in WTC7 and then have another team assassinate them as 'foreign agents' ? It looks like a very complex, not to say risky kind of operation with a myriad of contractors, organisers, accomplices and loose ends.

 

If you say the government did it, then fine, but so what ? If they did all that to cover up some documents, then imagine what lengths they would go to to cover up such an attack ?

 

I think it suits them to have people think it's a conspiracy and keeps the spotlight off their incompetence. The biggest risk of a Government is to be seen as weak and incompetent, because then the people begin to consider their legitamacy, strength and resolve.

[joeblast]

More than the sight of the planes hitting the towers, the sight of the collapses themselves should be what is focused on.  The collapses are very even and symmetrical - this simply does not happen by accident.  Ever.  EVER. (!)   That alone tells you that the jet fuel could not possibly have been the culprit.   Anyone with a semblance of competency in the field (that doesnt also have the image of his own murder in his head) is also in agreement on this.  While an argument can be made that "jet fuel dont melt steel beams" - it goes further than that - jet fuel + gravity will not turn steel into dust.  It makes no sense whatsoever to assume that by some magical happenstance, the steel would have disappeared and spread itself all over Manhattan.  The "crushing weight" of the buildings would not have been nearly enough to arrange matter in such a way as to produce such a pyroclastic flow.  The pile of debris that would normally make for about 1/12th the height of the original structure was about 3 stories high.   That + seismic signature tells you that much of those buildings did not impact the ground.   If there was nothing but jet fuel involved, we would have seen just some burning and nothing further.  If everything was not precisely calculated in a precision demolition (of whatever means, because I absolutely cannot explain that demolition with any known conventional methods,) we would have seen the tops of those towers tip over and smash into adjacent buildings - that would have at least been remotely physically believable.

 

The way the collapses proceeded shows clearly that the planes are a red herring.  (or completely nonexistent, as is the case with 7 - but the method of fire is equally unbelievable as a causative factor in both collapses.)

 

 

That also doesnt explain things like the entire center of building 5 (6?) getting cored out like a pineapple.

[Karl]

But why ? Why go to all that trouble knowing that you would then have to hide even more things ?

Why not use a suitcase nuke stolen from a terrorist ?

 

It leaves only three options:

 

1. It really was exactly as it went down. A terrorist plot and jet fuel + impact damage.

 

2. Someone, somewhere made a pile of money out of the destruction. Maybe several someone's.

 

3. The world is run by real proper nut jobs, I mean real wackos, the kind that believes in black magic and satanic ritual. That this was ritual sacrifice and symbolic destruction.

 

Either way, how does it benefit us to know ? What can be derived? Who would we blame ? The perpetrators will have long covered their tracks and all that will be left is patsies and the unwitting.

[joeblast]

Bld 7 - as I mentioned, housed the SEC's sole copies of their investigations into market manipulation, malfeasance, and theft from things like Enron.  CIA offices there.  And the other 75% of the building was rented by a company that Cheney was on the board of directors for.  (and dont forget that Cheney was 1 of 4 people that could order NORAD to stand down...)

 

Pentagon - site that got hit was a naval JAG investigation unit that had sole copies of their investigations into the SEC, moved to that location a month before the attack

 

Bld 5 - Gold heist - the big players like Goldman got their gold out, smaller entities and countries got told sorry, your gold melted into a hole in the ground

 

There was a lot of fishy stock market action leading up to it, especially american airlines stock.

 

1 & 2 were half rented and owned for the prior 30 years by another company that sold em to silverstein not too long before 911

 

the israeli art students had plenty of free reign in there

 

(BB 18 is the model number for a fuse-holder accessory - how many boxes does it take to stack up to the ceiling, and how many rows are just in this shot alone?)

 

 

 

 

 

THE ISRAELI ART STUDENTS AND MOVERS STORY
By Wayne Madsen

The presence in the United States of a number of young Israelis, most of whom had specialized military and intelligence backgrounds, in the months prior to 911 is a subject that has received inadequate attention from the major U.S. media and government investigators. The activities of the Israelis fell into two main areas: the casing of the offices and homes of Federal law enforcement officials, U.S. military bases, and other sensitive sites by Israeli “art students” during 2000 and 2001 and the unusual activities of Israeli “movers” around sensitive areas during and after 911. These incidents occurred in tandem with the suspicious activities of other former Israeli military and intelligence officials in neighboring countries, including Canada and Mexico, after 911. In addition, a number of Israeli intelligence agents were apprehended abroad for passport violations and other illegal activities.

 

The possibility that the suspicious Israeli activity was linked to the movements of Al Qaeda cells cannot be brushed aside as merely coincidental. For example, a number of the Israelis arrested for suspicious activities involving selling bogus Israeli art and driving moving vans were concentrated in some of the same neighborhoods where a number of the 911 Saudi and other Arab hijackers lived and trained at flight schools.

Two internal U.S. government documents revealed that among the 120 Israeli “art students” who attempted to penetrate the security of dozens of Federal office buildings and who visited the homes of scores of U.S. law enforcement personnel during 2000 and 2001 were some who used addresses and mail drops in southern Florida and Texas near those used by a number of the 911 hijackers. The information came from a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Report drafted in June 2001 on the activities of the art students and a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) list of the hijackers and other terrorist suspects, accidentally released in early October 2001 on a Finnish government web site. The DEA memo specifically stated that the Israelis may have had ties to an “Islamic fundamentalist group.”

 

As a journalist, it has become increasingly difficult since the 911 terrorist attacks to cover the more secretive aspects of the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities. Many government officials have readopted the famous World War II missive of “Loose Lips Sink Ships,” in refusing comment on anything deemed sensitive. Journalists who rely on the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to obtain copies of documents also face unprecedented challenges. After 911, Attorney General John Ashcroft issued a memorandum that states his Justice Department will use its enormous legal might to defend any refusal by any government agencies to withhold information requested under the FOIA.

 

Coming into possession of a sensitive Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report on the activities of Israeli “art students” was, therefore, a welcome surprise. DEA, the chief agency that investigates drug cartels, dangerous work under any circumstance, is traditionally very secretive about its investigations. However, some members of the agency, frustrated that their concerns were not being taken seriously by senior officials of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Justice Department, apparently decided to leak the report. Their decision was supported by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), another agency involved with the DEA in the joint task force set up to investigate the Israeli “students.”

Being presented with a document such as the DEA report, titled “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities,” posed unique problems in itself. For example, the document had to be verified as authentic and not a hoax. Many times, government agencies will merely state they “can neither confirm nor deny” the genuineness of leaked documents. However, in the case of the DEA report, confirmation of its genuineness came from the DEA in relatively quick fashion.

One amazing element of the story was the fact that a number of DEA, INS, and FBI agents had discovered, as had I, that several of the known addresses of the Israeli students were very close to those of the Al Qaeda terrorists and their supporters. These included addresses in Hollywood, Florida; Miami, Florida; and Irving, Texas. Speaking off-the-record, some of the agents told me that the fact that the Israelis and Al Qaeda were living in the same neighborhoods at the same time--January through May 2001--led the agents to believe the real mission of the Israelis was not to sell art at federal facilities but to spy on the Al Qaeda members.

 

But then again, Carl Cameron's reporting on the arrests of all those Israelies in the wake of the attacks.....those were completely scrubbed off fox news' website - as if most of us didnt already know that outlet was controlled by the Owners.

 

 

Now I'm not quite so much "blaming this on israel" as I am blaming it on those who pretty much own both of these countries along with the cities of london and riyadh.  Khazar gypsies when traced back far enough, more or less, so its not like anyone can say its anti semitic, either.  Just callin balls & strikes and I'm not afraid to point at anyone if that's where the evidence leads.

 

Osama's own words:

 

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (28)

 

 

Read up on the Project for a New American Century, and read the Oded Yinon Plan (and realize the latter was being discussed as far back as the late 1800s)

Edited July 1, 2016 by joeblast

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"Well, until you come forward with proof I'm believing the official version and the sight of two planes hitting those towers."

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I have never met anyone who was actually on the ground that day who saw any jet plane at all hitting any building in NYC.

 

People saw that on TV.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Daeluin]

Aww, I came here thinking Tolkien...

[Karl]

Aww, I came here thinking Tolkien...

He's just as likely to have been involved at this juncture.

 

I hate this conspiracy stuff it is horribly attractive and repulsive at the same time.

[Michael Sternbach]

[wilfred]

definitely something to do with the gold and the documents in building 7 that became highly relevant after 2008. not to mention those who made money off the insurance.

[Miffymog]

definitely something to do with the gold and the documents in building 7 that became highly relevant after 2008. not to mention those who made money off the insurance.

 

I heard that the insurance was a bit of a mess. Although they had kind of insured both buildings, it was an 'either or' insurance. As in they had never envisaged something catastrophic happening to both towers at the same time so only one was actually covered. But this could just be one of those urban legends....

[joeblast]

I heard that the insurance was a bit of a mess. Although they had kind of insured both buildings, it was an 'either or' insurance. As in they had never envisaged something catastrophic happening to both towers at the same time so only one was actually covered. But this could just be one of those urban legends....

it WAS either or, and then switched to both after the fact