Why are we afraid to die if it's inevitable?

[Karl]

At least there was integrity in returning to close off the thread with a summary (correct or not is secondary. Depends on whose considerations anyway)  - something not often practiced here by other OPs.

 

Yes, if its not biased. Let's all close our threads with 'yeah I was right you lot suck'. Smells strongly of a sore loser to me.

[Marblehead]

At least there was integrity in returning to close off the thread with a summary (correct or not is secondary. Depends on whose considerations anyway)  - something not often practiced here by other OPs. 

 

Well, the thread really isn't over yet because to this point we have talked little about the thread concept of "Why are we afraid to die if it's inevitable?"

 

The fear of death is generated by the ego.  That is, an ego that is not true to physical reality.  Look into nature.  Everything that comes into life eventually dies.  It is the process of birth and death, creation and destruction.

 

But humans thing about this and just can't accept it.  We want to be superior to nature.  Just look around the world and see how humans are constantly trying to alter nature.  We have not yet learned that we are just another species that must follow the processes of nature.

 

But most can't handle that.  And this is why there is so much BS about afterlife.  Oh, we aren't going to die.  Only our body will die but our ego will live on forever.  Bullshit.

[C T]

Yes, if its not biased. Let's all close our threads with 'yeah I was right you lot suck'. Smells strongly of a sore loser to me.

Thats your interpretation to which of course you have prerogative. 

 

I didn't see any sore loser mentality - maybe a touch of frustration only. 

[Karl]

Thats your interpretation to which of course you have prerogative. 

 

I didn't see any sore loser mentality - maybe a touch of frustration only.

 

A touch of frustration that the OP didn't garner agreement. I'm all for someone closing threads with a summation, to often they ramble on and no one has a clue if anything relevant has emerged in totality, but, in actual fact, it is usually more about individuals who read a post and it prompts them to think differently. Mostly we are never going to get an answer to the question proposed.

 

Just my 2c.

[Marblehead]

 

 

I didn't see any sore loser mentality - maybe a touch of frustration only. 

 

Yes, that is my perception.  Frustration.  Why?  Because there are those of us who do not agree with the other.  Nothing new about that.  There will always be disagreements between peoples because we each are different; that is, special and unique.

 

I cannot deny Tatsumaru his/her right to their opinions and understandings.  But then no one can deny me the right to my opinions and understandings. 

 

Opinions and understandings are always right.  They may not be valid but they are always right - they are always what they are.

[Karl]

Well, the thread really isn't over yet because to this point we have talked little about the thread concept of "Why are we afraid to die if it's inevitable?"

 

The fear of death is generated by the ego.  That is, an ego that is not true to physical reality.  Look into nature.  Everything that comes into life eventually dies.  It is the process of birth and death, creation and destruction.

 

But humans thing about this and just can't accept it.  We want to be superior to nature.  Just look around the world and see how humans are constantly trying to alter nature.  We have not yet learned that we are just another species that must follow the processes of nature.

 

But most can't handle that.  And this is why there is so much BS about afterlife.  Oh, we aren't going to die.  Only our body will die but our ego will live on forever.  Bullshit.

I disagree. We have free will and the ability to conceptualise. Animals don't think about death, they cannot conceptualise it. Although animals do have free will, they are not aware that they do so. Most creatures hust go through life on a kind of automatic pilot, they suffer of course, they feel pain and fear, but they cannot conceptualise their demise. They simply die and that's that, they never have to think to survive in the way humans are forced to.

 

We are fear of death because we consciously value our lives. Animals don't hold the concept of value, they just get on with survival.

 

Humans know they will die, they hold that concept but animals never consider it except in a perceptual sense.

[Karl]

Yes, that is my perception.  Frustration.  Why?  Because there are those of us who do not agree with the other.  Nothing new about that.  There will always be disagreements between peoples because we each are different; that is, special and unique.

 

I cannot deny Tatsumaru his/her right to their opinions and understandings.  But then no one can deny me the right to my opinions and understandings. 

 

Opinions and understandings are always right.  They may not be valid but they are always right - they are always what they are.

Now you are sounding more like an objectivist :-)

[Marblehead]

I disagree. We have free will and the ability to conceptualise. Animals don't think about death, they cannot conceptualise it. Although animals do have free will, they are not aware that they do so. Most creatures hust go through life on a kind of automatic pilot, they suffer of course, they feel pain and fear, but they cannot conceptualise their demise. They simply die and that's that, they never have to think to survive in the way humans are forced to.

 

We are fear of death because we consciously value our lives. Animals don't hold the concept of value, they just get on with survival.

 

Humans know they will die, they hold that concept but animals never consider it except in a perceptual sense.

 

You didn't disagree with me.  Hehehe.

 

You just looked at the concept from a different perspective.

 

And you are right.

[Marblehead]

Now you are sounding more like an objectivist :-)

 

I told you.  Don't try to pin me down to one or another thing.  I am many things.  And my philosophy is composed of many different views, some of them opposing each other.  But they are what they are.

Edited July 6, 2016 by Marblehead

[Karl]

It is what it is, a thing is a thing and no other thing, A is A..... :-) If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

[Marblehead]

It is what it is, a thing is a thing and no other thing, A is A..... :-) If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

I get a happy face when, on occasion, you say something I totally agree with.

[Jim D.]

I didn't know you were capable of a happy face. Spock doesn't smile...

[Marblehead]

I didn't know you were capable of a happy face. Spock doesn't smile...

 

He did once.

[Jim D.]

I must have missed that show regarding Spock's smile. What was he smiling about?

 

 

Question: How can someone be afraid of something that is inevitable?

[Karl]

I must have missed that show regarding Spock's smile. What was he smiling about?

 

 

Question: How can someone be afraid of something that is inevitable?

Depends of what the inevitable thing is and the current mindset of the person. If you are in supreme pain, or you have no more strength then it's more likely that you will just surrender.

[allinone]

It is what it is, a thing is a thing and no other thing, A is A..... :-) If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

but if A has a body, it can be anything. Does a deer what is formed by cloud is a deer, then A is not A.

[Jim D.]

So there shouldn't be any fear if death is inevitable! This is what makes sense to me. The initial question seemed contradictory.

[allinone]

deleted, too cruel.

Edited July 6, 2016 by allinone

[Karl]

but if A has a body, it can be anything. Does a deer what is formed by cloud is a deer, then A is not A.

You see the problem with your statement IS that you are saying that your statement IS correct, that it IS absolute, that A is A. You have to accept the premise A is A in any statement, otherwise you are saying that your statement is nonsense.

[allinone]

You see the problem with your statement IS that you are saying that your statement IS correct, that it IS absolute, that A is A. You have to accept the premise A is A in any statement, otherwise you are saying that your statement is nonsense.

 

A belongs to alphabet. If i think of it then i can form any sentence even those what make no sense.

[Marblehead]

If i think of it then i can form any sentence even those what make no sense.

 

I do pretty good at that.

[allinone]

logic is this. All elements and their states are same. They only exist when they are separated and will have different names accordingly how they are positioned in relation to each others.​

[Karl]

A belongs to alphabet. If i think of it then i can form any sentence even those what make no sense.

You are missing the point. Even the sentence that makes no sense is an absolute statement. A is A. You cannot avoid it because you depend on it.

[Karl]

logic is this. All elements and their states are same. They only exist when they are separated and will have different names accordingly how they are positioned in relation to each others.​

Someone will have to interpret that for me. I'm struggling to get a sense of your argument.

[allinone]

You are missing the point. Even the sentence that makes no sense is an absolute statement. A is A. You cannot avoid it because you depend on it.

 

How can you say A is A? you consider that these both A's are of same kind, then you are just repeating A two times.