"I stump for Trump"

[Jim D.]

If you want a guy that will kick some ass, and take no prisoners, vote for Trump. We need a business man that will straighten out our Deficit. She see him very much like Putin...Calculating.

 

I would have voted for Ross Perot, but the Politicians repressed him, like they are trying to do with Trump. I like that he doesn't need anybody's money, and he is not in some special interest group's pocket, nor does he particularly like Politicians.

 

When you see the Politicians trying to undermine a guy, you know that they are afraid of him. He's got something that he will deliver on, and they won't. Just like the President we have today. Never delivered. Big speech in Chicago. Never went anywhere. Even the Blacks thought he was the new Messiah.

 

Clinton is a phony. Just look at her eyes. There is nothing about her that is warm hearted. I was going to vote for her early on because I thought it was time to have a female run the show. They are suppose to be sensitive and can be tenacious when it comes to gettin their way. I felt she would think before she acted. I can't believe she has not been indicted for the private email scandle.

 

I was willing to give her a pass on her husband's "I don't smoke Pot, and I never had sex with that woman" bullshit. But knowing what I know about her and Bill's side job investment portfolio, I don't think it would be a wise choice to give the President job to her. And BTW, she totally messed up on the Benghazi decision. Those guys were totally fucked over by her.

 

Remember the Pueblo incident in 1968? We negotiated for the release of 82 prisoners who were starved and tortured which finally ended in our admission that we were wrong. We got them back to a DMZ in South Korea. Big difference in the way we value human life when Clinton had the reins.

 

O.K. If Trump is stuffed. And Clinton gets the penalty box. Who's left? Bernie Sanders! Or maybe the other Republicans that left the race might come back in the last minute.  Oh Boy!

[thelerner]

Consequences of Trump.  Trade war with China.  His plan is to punish China because they're 'raping us' (his words) by slapping a large tariff on them.  They would undoubtedly counter with there own.  Such trade wars lead to much higher prices and inflation and uncertainty for markets.   Such actions would increase the odds of a recession. 

 

Trade/Cold war with Mexico: Needless to say trade with Mexico would be disruptive under Trump, he's virtually declaring a cold war against them.  His latest idea floated is keeping people (legal or not)  from wiring money to Mexico.   That, the wall and insinuations they're sending us there rapists, also will hurt our relations with a close neighbor and trading partner.  All the while saying 'They'll love me'.  It's delusion.

 

Trade/Cold war with every country with large Muslim population:  His goal of banning Muslims from coming into our countries, except certain 'good ones', will wreak havoc with our relations with over 20% of the world.  If a country banned all Americans and/or Christians for entering a significant amount of Americans would drop all investment in any country that pulled that kind of policy.

 

Our relations with the rest of the world.  Trump has a very high negative rating in the U.S and even higher abroad.  With his thin skin he's probably going to be a disaster with European relations.  Though he'll say claim they'll love him and he'll be the best ever.

 

Each of these things would rock our economy, hurt it badly.  If president, Trumps will mean something.  Dropping verbal bombs and threats every week against perceived enemies domestic, foreign.  Those in his party, everyone not in his part, against reporters and newspapers who question whether he's telling the truth. 

 

Right now he attacks and name calls against anyone who disagrees with him or asks him a hard question.  With the power of the presidency he could make Nixon look like a boy scout.   All politicians lie, but he does it more often and with a straighter face and with such conviction that the scary is, he believes the lies, even when they're clearly and easily disproved.   His pattern of lying, even about inconsequential things and refusing to correct them is close to psychopathic. 

 

His claim to fame is being a great business man; that he worth 10 Billions dollars.  That's a lie, probably 3, 4 or 10 times more then he's worth, according to reputable sources.  He probably won't report his income taxes because it'd be scandalous.  His businesses have declared bankruptcy 4 times, paying creditors nothing while he's walked away from destroyed business's with 10's of million of personal profit.

 

   He has a reputation for ripping off his contractors by consistently underpaying them and claiming job not good enough, knowing they don't have the deep pockets to sue over nonpayment of $50,000.  Its a strategy he's proud of.   Going through life very rich and a narcissist means never being told no, allows you to lie to yourself constantly, telling yourself you're the best, almost godlike and no one ever contradicts you.

 

I think he'd bring change, change for the worse.   If he does what he says, what he's done in the past, the results of his presidency would be disastrous.  Day one, minute one, market collapse, trade wars, automatic bad blood/cold war between us and all the nations he claims have raped us and all Muslim nations.

Edited July 4, 2016 by thelerner

[Jim D.]

Obviously Thelmer you think Hillary and Bill are the "nuts." Not one bad word about them from you. Let's keep it simple without all this trade with this guy to get this from that guy. Or, I might make them mad at me if I don't want to have to watch who comes into my country.

 

A lot of our enemies have read the Sun Tuz Art of Warfare, or act like they have, and are sending infiltrators and spys here to take us down.  

 

I like the idea of a semi-dictatorship. You know? You would have one guy in charge, like an emperor. You have one religion. You pay rent for the land you till. You're all wearing the same clothes. Population numbers are controlled by war, famine, disease and what not. You know what to do and when to do it. The best thing about it all, you know who is in charge, there's not guess work.

 

You don't have to worry about the draft because there isn't any. Your in the Military from he get go.

 

Crime is at ground 0 because you have public executions right there on the spot. You don't have to worry about feeding crimminals. They're gonna die anyway from starvation and abuse.

 

If you need intelligence you get it pretty fast. The easy way or the hard way.

 

If you lack resources, well you expand your business and take what you want which is all of it.

 

You control the economy because you created it, and there is not inflation to worry about because you create its value. You spend it in th guy's country and you get what it is worth.

 

No one gets past your borders without you knowing about it, and they better be friendly and have the where with all to make a significant contribution to me and mine, or else they're going back on a donkey or in body bag on that donkey.

 

The military would have absolute control, because the Emperor guy agrees to it.

 

In short, the top bannana owns everything and he doesn't  have to worry about who he pisses off, who he trades with because trading does not exist, the only cold war is the one that's not going on right now. But not for too long because he's going to heat you up when he comes for you...and you'er going to like the new temperature he has to offer you.

 

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The Clintons have been good at taking advantage of Political Capitalism like other Presidents e.g. Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, (Ford), (Carter), (Reagon), Bush, Clinton, and now (Obama). The ones in Parentheses seemed to have been men with a heart.

They seem to be looking out for the people...and then the Political machine blocked their mission to try and help us.

 

Look, you know that things become pretty skewed since the 60's when everyone had a job and knew what they were suppose to do.

 

And then the "pill" and culural revolution came along...and kids went to DCFS because they didn't like the way they were being disciplined, then you had scared parents who created the "me" generation, and they created the "X" generation. And now we have a society of young people who give a shit less about who's in charge, and then we have those who care about being in charge because it's financially worth it. Where are the John Adams any more?

 

Trump is no worse than any of the other leaders we have had. He is just out there showing you what you can expect from him if he becomes President.  The others are "Just Smiling in Your Face, the Back Stabbers...back stabbers."

[liminal_luke]

Sanders walks in light; Clinton shade; Trump darkness.

[Aetherous]

Trump darkness.

 

You can tell that a person is genuine when the masses slander their name without sufficient reason.

 

I suspect that the reverse is true, when the masses praise someone's name without sufficient reason...

 

Sanders walks in light

 

[Jim D.]

Doesn't look like Sanders has a snow ball's chance in Hell to be President.

[Michael Sternbach]

I am not sure if "Sanders walks in light", but that Trump is going to wreak havoc is a no-brainer. As for Clinton, I do have my doubts.

[Jim D.]

You know what, you're not going to take a risk on the guy that's out there. So far professional Politicians have been handing out K-Y Gelly while we grin and bear it.

 

If you don't exercise your right to vote, your just laying down and letting Government dictate your life.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Jim D.

[futuredaze]

I am not sure if "Sanders walks in light", but that Trump is going to wreak havoc is a no-brainer. As for Clinton, I do have my doubts.

He definitely wants to wreck havoc on ISIS.  Besides that, is banning illegals and having more rigorous screening for Muslims really that outrageous?  Even if you don't agree, is it not hard to understand why people want a wall or more secure borders?  I am liberal in some ways but I agree with Trump here.

 

I think relations with Mexico would be a bit cold, but I doubt things would get violent.  I could see a trade war with China, as others mentioned.  However, I get the impression that Trump will not be the only one working these trades, he will have a team and they will really think before acting (unlike Trump who just speaks his mind without really thinking).

 

Clinton scares me.  With her, there is a chance of war with Iran, conflict with Russia.  Some say she is as war-hawk as Bush.

 

Clinton is satan, Trump is a wildcard.  I only agree with Trump sometimes, but at least I know where he stands.  Clinton will lie about everything, so I don't even know where she stands.  That is dangerous.

Edited July 5, 2016 by futuredaze

[joeblast]

Sanders walks in the well trodden rut that is so deep it might well be considered a chasm - that of a political lifer that cant ever really get much of anything done.   I kept an eye on him, but his efforts at watering down the audit the fed bill and his disregard for the law where cankles is concerned leads me to believe he is controlled opposition but not quite on the scale of Obama.  He will do nothing, he will continue the wars, he will continue the police state, he wont touch the banks.

 

Clinton is the epitome of "inside" candidate - she is the choice of those who select presidents, because simple donations to the Clinton slush fund are all that's necessary for her to sell out her countrymen and support completely unfounded wars - people should not forget that she supported every single one where she was in a position to.   The Butcher of Benghazi will let her folks running arms for her through turkey to get into syria to support "ISIS" get murdered by a hoard and then spout off such brazenly unbelievable lies its not even funny, because it fits into that idiotic narrative that AL Quaeda or ISIS was some grassroots terrorism to begin with.

 

And I agree that a Trump presidency will have a high probability of crashing the markets - think of it in this context - ANYTHING that even comes close to making things "mark to market" rather than "mark to central bank printing fantasy that ignores most underlying economic fundamentals" will crash the market.

 

Honesty will crash the market.  The shell game has been played so long, the price discovery mechanism so destroyed, that yes, anything that will lurch humanity closer to reality will necessitate a market crash. 

 

Sorry kiddies, its baked into the cake at this point.

Edited July 5, 2016 by joeblast

[futuredaze]

Doesn't look like Sanders has a snow ball's chance in Hell to be President.

If the Democrats really want to win, they should nominate Sanders.  More people like him than Clinton, and the public opinion on her is just going down, down, down.  If they nominate Clinton, and Trump ends up winning, then the rigid rigged-ness of the DNC will be partially responsible for the rise of Trump.  That would be ironic, like if Wall Street funded Hitler or something.  Oh wait....

[joeblast]

If the Democrats really want to win, they should nominate Sanders.  More people like him than Clinton, and the public opinion on her is just going down, down, down.  If they nominate Clinton, and Trump ends up winning, then the rigid rigged-ness of the DNC will be partially responsible for the rise of Trump.  That would be ironic, like if Wall Street funded Hitler or something.  Oh wait....

"If the demopublicans really want to win..."

 

ftfy

 

how would they go about it

 

electoral fraud, keep anyone not on the inside out, your team my team dont matter its our team, just keep anyone not on our team out

 

ignore people like ron paul who talk too much sense

 

keep congress paid off with their exemption from insider trading laws

 

etc

[Michael Sternbach]

You know what, you're not going to take a risk on the guy that's out there. So far professional Politicians have been handing out K-Y Gelly while we grin and bear it.

 

If you don't exercise your right to vote, your just laying down and letting Government dictate your life.

 

I'm no US citizen, so I don't have any right to vote in that country. Yet the ripples of the US presidency will affect the whole world, probably more than any other.

 

Nevertheless, I don't really envy my American friends for their right to vote, given the options they are given. Why nominate somebody wise for a change?

 

No, let me guess: There aren't enough wise people around to make this a viable option.

[Michael Sternbach]

He definitely wants to wreck havoc on ISIS.  Besides that, is banning illegals and having more rigorous screening for Muslims really that outrageous?  Even if you don't agree, is it not hard to understand why people want a wall or more secure borders?  I am liberal in some ways but I agree with Trump here.

 

The situation in the Middle East requires a diplomat, not a megalomanic bully. There is more than meets the eye, and it involves serious potential for WWIII.

[Karl]

Sanders walks in light; Clinton shade; Trump darkness.

Sanders is a socialist-hardly the walking in light type on any level. Basically death, poverty and misery for the masses and a good life for the select few, which pretty much sounds like Hillary, except her aim is on other countries 'masses'.

 

Trump just seems like he is saying all the stuff the others woukd like to say, but their teams won't let's them.

[Karl]

The situation in the Middle East requires a diplomat, not a megalomanic bully. There is more than meets the eye, and it involves serious potential for WWIII.

Does it ? It looks to me that the shining beacon of Islamism and Sharia-Iran-did pretty well out of diplomacy, as do the Arabs that are funding Mosques, Madrasahs and AQ/ISIS.

 

The megalomaniac bully already looks like it went to war with the only countries that provided stability and have turned them into ISISville.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Karl

[joeblast]

What you are seeing over there is naught but the Oded Yinon plan growing branch and leaf
 
 
 
 

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (28)

and
 

His businesses have declared bankruptcy 4 times, paying creditors nothing while he's walked away from destroyed business's with 10's of million of personal profit.

its more like 8, and you dont appear to have any idea how the debt restructuring process works in bankruptcy - and it doesnt seem to make a difference that he's had what, 500 or so successful businesses?  a .016% failure rate doesnt sound quite so bad, does it?

 

when you have dug yourself in so much of a debt hole that you cannot possibly climb out...

 

hmmmmmm where else are we seeing that?

 

USA, Britain, just about the entire EU....

 

 we're bankrupt, waking up homeless and jobless on the continent our forefathers "conquered" so as to get away from the debt-beast that is banksterism, and they've slowly and methodically crept back and with the flick of a pen and a ctrl+p on the keyboard, have created trillions in debt that the citizens supposedly owe.

 

simply put, we need debt restructuring, and one of the biggest ways in which this can be accomplished is to discard the debt based monetary system, pare back the federal government to within the confines of the bill of rights, eliminate every federal department that is of dubious constitutional authority...

 

one who is knowledgeable  on how to restructure a company so as to perform in a healthy manner should be the one that gets the job.

Edited July 5, 2016 by joeblast

[futuredaze]

The situation in the Middle East requires a diplomat, not a megalomanic bully. There is more than meets the eye, and it involves serious potential for WWIII.

I agree with you there.  However, IMO, Clinton poses a bigger risk.  As I said, she is after Iran, she is funded corporations/bankers who are no doubt affiliated with the military industrial complex.  You are welcome to your opinions, but I don't think the Democrat is the more peaceful candidate this time around.

 

So, do you trust the person who is part of a team who, for the last 16 years or more, have been destabilizing the Middle East for economic purposes, which is creating a lot of terrorism and unrest in the EU and elsewhere.  Or, do you go with the guy who seems to be focused not on obtaining oil, but ending ISIS, who are not only extremely fucked up, but being supported by the current administration (and likely the future one as well)?

 

Like I said, Trump is a wildcard.  I have my reservations for him.  but Clinton legitimately scares me.  I see WW3 breaking out with her, compared to Trump with a war on ISIS.  I am not a political expert, but I consider myself open-minded and trust my intuition.  My greatest fear of Trump has nothing to do with Trump himself, but the dangerous way the media portrays him which leads people to want to kill/hurt Trump or Trump supporters.  I was reading about a black conservative who was a vocal Trump supporter, who is facing death threats after a video of him supporting Trump went viral (he also schooled a BLM supporter who was very dumb)

[wilfred]

yup, here's the piece. i also posted the original video in the main thread, the stupidity of the BLM supporter was quite astounding 'she's from europe!' lol

 

[liminal_luke]

You can tell that a person is genuine when the masses slander their name without sufficient reason.

 

 

My understanding of your post, Aetherous, is that you´re saying Trump is the one slandered without sufficient reason.  Now, it´s not like he´s not slandered (all presidential candidates are slandered, after all), but it´s interesting how he´s seen as a kind of underdog.  There´s this sense that "everybody is against him."  I´m certainly against him, I´ll give you that.  But here on Taobums the most vocal voices have been pro-trump.  Trump is no kind of beleaguered underdog.  

 

Lots of the masses are backing him --  just look at this thread.  Can you imagine a thread titled "I stump for Clinton" getting much traction?  She´s seen as the frontrunner, and may well be, but nobody here (myself included) is waving any flags for her.  

Edited July 5, 2016 by liminal_luke

[Jim D.]

Can't believe the FBI is gonna give her a pass. You or me...we're going away big time. Somebody doesn't want to mess up the election.

[Jim D.]

Bankruptcy! I know Bankrutpcy. It's my right and its Biblical...check it  out...Old Testament.

 

I went through a divorce where my first wife thought she was going to be cute and stick me with an Orthodonture bill because she decided not to honor our Divorce Settlement ands use my insurance company...and was going to do what she wanted and she did it, and created a $3,000 bill for me to pay. So, here I come as my own attorney, pro se, and am in Civil Court as the Plantiff on a matter of her not having someone supervise our kids while she was at work. Plus the new alcoholic husband like to drive around with a ice chest of beer in the back seat with my kids in the car with him...while he was drinking. And then they decide to add on a few complaints of their own in their defense to derail me from my mission. This whole process took about a 1.5 years, several continuences on their part which gave me plenty of time to come back hard at her attorney.

 

My complaint covered a lot e.g. visitation, violation of Settlement Agreement, and Child endangerment.

 

So, when it came to my turn to approach the bench with her attorney, I provided my Brief and evidence that I had included the debt she was trying to stick me with...and my paper trail regarding converations with her about it, my children's Deposition, and the list of creditors I included in my Bankrutpcy. Outcome:  Federal ruling took precedence over Civil rulling. I won, she lost.

 

There is also Chapter 11 reorganization. Businesses use it all the time. Nothing wrong with it. What is wrong is the Government is untouchable when it comes to recourse on a debt...we have a Trillion dollar debt and we the people cannot do anything about it.

 

Not too far into the future our dollar which has no gold to back it up, will be worthless.

 

So don't be impressionable. Trump didn't do anything wrong. He is a good businessman. He knows how to make a buck work for him.

 

I like that he told England that he was going to pull out if they banned him from their country. They backed off because they need him for their economy. Money talks, and bullshit walks.

 

You can expect Trump to be that kind of guy because he's got the money all ready. They don't pay Presidents that much. So,I would expect him to do it because it is just another thing for him to build.

 

The other counties are afraid of him already, because Trump don't play.

[Karl]

All fiat that is inflated will eventually become worthless paper. Watching the UKP fall to 1.30 whilst Gold goes 1350. Why put money into banks when Gold outperforms any kind of savings scheme ? Problem is, there is do much debt amongst the 99% that no one can afford to save.

[wilfred]

not sure if anyone here is aware of FOFOA but his blog makes the most extensive, detailed case for gold out there. about 8 years worth of writings, extensively maps out economic history in relation to gold and the probable future - a 'freegold' system. lots of reading required to get a grasp of the core arguments, but well worth it for the more academic/philosophically inclined.

 

fofoa.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/the-debtors-and-savers-2016.html

[joeblast]

if you want to short fiat currencies, the way to do it is via PMs