Hillary and Trump

[bax44]

we are a strange breed. there seems to be little problem commiting murder as long as you dress it up with enough fancy words and back it with some ridiculous ideology, but we lose our shit if some old man talks about grabbing cooch ten years ago.

[ralis]

And the legal consequences of actions that endanger American lives will likely include a presidential pardon.

 

Don't assume what I know, ralis.

 

You are proceeding from an incorrect conclusion. I guess Hillary has caused more damage than Bush with his military adventurism into Iraq and you say nothing in that regard. At least 1 million women and children dead with about 3 million refugees. Bush is guilty of war crimes as set forth in the Nuremberg Tribunals. The first trial at Nuremberg was the crime of invading a sovereign country without provocation in which that crime is International law as well as US law. The US invaded Iraq without any provocation whatsoever and Bush was the President who gave the final order to invade.

[ralis]

we are a strange breed. there seems to be little problem commiting murder as long as you dress it up with enough fancy words and back it with some ridiculous ideology, but we lose our shit if some old man talks about grabbing cooch ten years ago.

 

I posted the legalities a few responses ago in this thread, I behoove you to understand the ramifications and as to how a person such as Trump would behave in the Oval Office.

[zerostao]

So .... the election will decided on who is the biggest sex offender and/or who is the biggest criminal.

 

Excellent.

[Karl]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-underage-rape-lawsuit-a7352976.htmlHmm his wife claims he raped her. Now they have set a hearing date. This is not looking good for the Trumpster.

Facts: his ex wife claims but if you read in the article she also said not in a criminal sense, but, when you are trying to fry your ex partner for as much cash as you can get, then a few twists of the truth can help persuade the defendent that maybe it's not in his best interests to have an unfounded rape allegation up in public.

 

Notice how they lump trump with a paedophile billionaire, it's a classic way to push a narrative. Two rich guys and one a convicted kiddy fiddler go looking for young girls to party with. I can tell you now that this is a piece of press release that has simply been reprinted without any attempt to discover if there is any truth. Just like the other court cases Trump has to put up with.

 

The public aren't stupid, the Trump haters add this to their Trump bonfire, but it just looks like an establishment hell bent n destroying Trump in any way they can. It looks like a witch hunt, it feels like a which hunt and it reads like a which hunt. It's a which hunt. It won't convert the faithful, it will fan the flames of anti-establishment just as it did during Brexit. He department of dirty tricks were hard at it then too.

[Karl]

Glenn Beck has abandoned Trump.http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/glenn-beck-standing-against-trump-is-moral-ethical-choice/ar-BBxidPQ?li=BBnb7KzSays Clinton is the moral choice.Glenn Beck is one of the biggest conservatives in the US media. It is over for Trump.

LOL score even more votes for Trump. The Establishment is going to get a mighty shock, a very bloody nose.

[blackstar212]

LOL score even more votes for Trump. The Establishment is going to get a mighty shock, a very bloody nose.

You are in for a rude awakening come November 9th. Hillary Clinton will be POTUS

 

By some slim chance it turns out I am mistaken I will be on here eating my crow.

Edited October 11, 2016 by blackstar212

[Karl]

You are proceeding from an incorrect conclusion. I guess Hillary has caused more damage than Bush with his military adventurism into Iraq and you say nothing in that regard. At least 1 million women and children dead with about 3 million refugees. Bush is guilty of war crimes as set forth in the Nuremberg Tribunals. The first trial at Nuremberg was the crime of invading a sovereign country without provocation in which that crime is International law as well as US law. The US invaded Iraq without any provocation whatsoever and Bush was the President who gave the final order to invade.

Ah we have been up this tilt with Blair. He got soundly panned for his incompetence and rush to war in the recent report, but nothing will stick. As far as the establishment is concerned they deposed a tyrannical despot intent on genocide. This was a guy who had already invaded Kuwait and the intelligence community gave the information to parliament that they could have WMD.

 

we have hundreds of thousands of people who would like Blair to stand trial but it isn't going to happen. After Iraq was Libya and the Syria which were both green lighted under Obama/Cameron. We can go right back to Vietnam, Bosnia and Afghanistan. They can't put all these administrations through court.

[Karl]

You are in for a rude awakening come November 9th. Hillary Clinton will be POTUSBy some slim chance it turns out I am mistaken I will be on here eating my crow.

I shall have the crow brought up :-)

I don't have a rude awakening because I wouldn't vote for either, but if I had to, with a gun to my head, I would choose Trump. I had fully expected a Clinton win originally and said Sanders would be sent packing. I didn't see Trump lasting, but if you think about it, the very fact that I had discounted him and his entire party were throwing him under a bus yet here he is like an untouchable winner. Clinton had the easier time of it with only Sanders to fight and Sanders had his hands tied. So Clinton is there through the easy rounds, but Trump has been in the ring with proper fighters. There is a massive change in people, Brexit was the beginning of something that I think will be remembered as a catalyst for radical change.

[bax44]

I posted the legalities a few responses ago in this thread, I behoove you to understand the ramifications and as to how a person such as Trump would behave in the Oval Office.

 

Oh you mean how most of the presidents "behave" in the oval office. Its hardly been a sacred ground for people of upstanding character if thats what you are going to pretend. 

[Trunk]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-underage-rape-lawsuit-a7352976.html

 

Hmm his wife claims he raped her. Now they have set a hearing date. This is not looking good for the Trumpster.

I've been guessing that quite a number of women will come out, over time, with confirming stories of abuse that many times have crossed the legal boundary.  In a year or so, quite possible that Trump will be in a similar position as Bill Cosby (except that Cosby, in other areas of his life, contributed positively to culture).

 

Trump's party, more than one family member, even his VP ... they've all variously unendorsed him, distanced themselves from him, or apologized for him, or withdrawn from commitments for his support events.  There's not one major newspaper that has endorsed him.  Most have come out explicitly against him, including quite a number that have been historically very republican or non-partisan (see link).

 

I think I'm spotting a trend, lol

 

 

Glenn Beck has abandoned Trump.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/glenn-beck-standing-against-trump-is-moral-ethical-choice/ar-BBxidPQ?li=BBnb7Kz

 

Says Clinton is the moral choice.

 

Glenn Beck is one of the biggest conservatives in the US media. It is over for Trump.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Trunk

[ralis]

Oh you mean how most of the presidents "behave" in the oval office. Its hardly been a sacred ground for people of upstanding character if thats what you are going to pretend. 

 

Never said it was sacred ground and I am in no way promoting a puritanical point of view. Further, Bill and Monica were between two consenting adults and compare that to Trump and his admitted sex crimes against women. Please read my post regarding the legalities. If you don't understand the law in this regard, then read and think.

[Apech]

[ralis]

All the Trump shills posting here believe and approve of a President who seeks to use the office for personal vendettas, ignorance as to how the three branches of government work, unwilling to reveal his finances/taxes, sex crimes, fascinated with the use of nukes and so forth. What a pity!

Edited October 11, 2016 by ralis

[Karl]

We had virtually the entire parliament against us on both sides of the house and including the far left like SNP, CC, Greens. We had the PM, chancellor, IMF, European Central Bank, CBI, Bank of England, Goldman Sachs, Barack Obama, every PM across Europe and even Australia all arrayed against us and we still won. We won against what looked like insurmountable odds. We had at debates with the pollsters giving it to remain by a wide margin, all the polls said it was firmly in the remain camp. Then we had the awful death of Joe Cox apparently killed by a frenzied Brexiteer. We were accused of racial hatred and division, for being thick and uncivilised. The UKIP poster and Joes killing were used to bolster that awful narrative. It looked like we were done and gone, even Farage had conceded it was going to go remains way.

 

It has to be remembered that Clinton is in power, she represents the power of the establishment. Anything the discredited news agencies or Hillarys little friends say is disregarded as being mud throwing, but anything going in the opposite direction hits it's mark with a solid thud. Robot Hillary, barking dog Hillary, email shredding Hillary, Bernie sanders fit up Hillary, fainting Hillary, coughing Hillary, weird high pitched laughter and Gollum eyed Hillary. Bang, bang bang go the nails into her electoral coffin.

 

Meanwhile ' we are going to make America great again' just like 'take back control' it resonates. It's a message of hope and change and Trump is now unstoppable except by execution.

[Karl]

I remember when Hislop used to represent the anti-establishment. How low has Private eye sunk :-/ it was always a left wingers rag mind you, but not radically so. Now it's just pro statist and status quo.

[Apech]

I remember when Hislop used to represent the anti-establishment. How low has Private eye sunk :-/ it was always a left wingers rag mind you, but not radically so. Now it's just pro statist and status quo.

 

Karl, Karl ... it's a joke!

[Karl]

Karl, Karl ... it's a joke!

I'm not laughing. I prefer your jokes. Hislop is a turd. Hopeless would have been better. British press seem to have it in for Trump just as the US press had it in for Brexit-in fact the hopeless One himself had in in for Brexit. Edited October 11, 2016 by Karl

[Aetherous]

Glenn Beck only said he considered Hillary at one point...he's actually voting for the Constitution party candidate.

[ralis]

Sessions is a joke.

 

[Karl]

Sessions is a joke.

 

More twisting the knife 'if' 'if' unlike Clinton 'did' 'did'.

 

Asking the question do you still beat your wife to elicit a response is classic rhetorical manipulation. Considering everyone is so outraged by the word 'pussy' it doesn't seem to stop the MSM blasting it all over family time without an ounce of concern that youngsters see this stuff.

 

Somebody talking about grabbing a woman in a private conversation on the way to shooting a scene about a women throwing herself at Trump in the classic sense of prostitute and this gets no mention. Lots of double standards.

 

Trump did not grab and has never shown himself to be that type. He doesn't need to. There are thousand women that would come running if he was available for marriage.

 

You are really scraping the barrel here Ralis.

[ralis]

More twisting the knife 'if' 'if' unlike Clinton 'did' 'did'.

Asking the question do you still beat your wife to elicit a response is classic rhetorical manipulation. Considering everyone is so outraged by the word 'pussy' it doesn't seem to stop the MSM blasting it all over family time without an ounce of concern that youngsters see this stuff.

Somebody talking about grabbing a woman in a private conversation on the way to shooting a scene about a women throwing herself at Trump in the classic sense of prostitute and this gets no mention. Lots of double standards.

Trump did not grab and has never shown himself to be that type. He doesn't need to. There are thousand women that would come running if he was available for marriage.

You are really scraping the barrel here Ralis.

You are ignorant of the legalities I posted. It was not the words so much but his actions.

Edited October 11, 2016 by ralis

[ralis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/sexual-assault-survivor-reaction.html?smid=fb-share

 

 

“Women: tweet me your first assaults,” she wrote on Twitter at 7:48 p.m. “They aren’t just stats. I’ll go first: Old man on city bus grabs my ‘pussy’ and smiles at me, I’m 12.”

When she first posted the message, Ms. Oxford said in an interview later, she did not expect more than a handful of replies. “It was such a personal question,” she said. “I thought, ‘No one is going to share anything on Twitter.’”

Yet by Saturday morning, she was getting as many as 50 responses per minute: often-explicit, first-person accounts of molestation. A hashtag had materialized: “#notokay.” The Twitter posts continued to pour in through the weekend. And by Monday afternoon, nearly 27 million people had responded or visited Ms. Oxford’s Twitter page.

As swiftly as the release of a recording of Donald J. Trump engaging in banter about forcing himself on women had dealt a potentially fatal blow to his presidential campaign, it also had become a rallying cry for survivors of sexual assault, harassment and other forms of abuse.......

Edited October 11, 2016 by ralis

[Karl]

You are ignorant of the legalities I posted. It was not the words so much but his actions.

Which actions ? He got out of the bus and was the perfect gent.

[ralis]

Which actions ? He got out of the bus and was the perfect gent.

 

You are nothing but a troll and didn't listen to the audio. I listened to it.There are any number of women who have filed lawsuits against him for this kind of behavior.