Hillary and Trump

[joeblast]

Democracy is the system that legitimises a totalitarian state

 

 

dude, do you ever read what you write after you've written it?

[Karl]

Democracy is the system that legitimises a totalitarian state

 

 

dude, do you ever read what you write after you've written it?

LOL do you ever open your eyes. You are saw smitten with conspiracies and new world orders you cannot see what's going on.

 

Look up the works of Alexis de Tocqueville. Then compare his work on American democracy written back in 1835.

 

There are three ways democracies change into totalitarian states. The first was seen in Russia, the second in Germany, but the third is underway today.

[joeblast]

it must be an a mazing world, where none of the plants have roots

[Karl]

it must be an a mazing world, where none of the plants have roots

This might help

https://fee.org/articles/democracys-road-to-tyranny/

 

I could give you the axioms from which this is built, all the building blocks and all the proofs but that would be OTT at this stage.

[zerostao]

karl, you are citing alexis de tocqueville a known classical liberal and socialist here, that is rich, coming from you. 

i think i understand why, as the tocqueville line can be traced to the normans at the battle of hastings,

and your country has bowed to that authority ever since and accepts the claim of force monopoly.

forget that tocqueville was stunned at the success of american democracy and our rapid rise in commerce

under that democracy....

today's problems are due to the oligarchy. it is fairly obvious that the democracy has been circumvented.i say that began on or about november 23, 1963. altho under carter we still retained a functioning democracy

which has been under severe attack since. the red queen clinton is a full blown oligarch and the american oligarchal bureaucracy bows down to her. as do the sheep. but unlike your country  which only has sheep, we have a few goats running around.

 

"Tocqueville saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality, concern for the individual as well as for the community."

 

i agree that tocqueville foresaw the threat of materialism to democracy. and he also correctly predicted:

"There are now two great nations in the world, which starting from different points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans... Each seems called by some secret design of Providence one day to hold in its hands the destinies of half the world."

Edited October 17, 2016 by zerostao

[Karl]

karl, you are citing alexis de tocqueville a known classical liberal and socialist here, that is rich, coming from you.

i think i understand why, as the tocqueville line can be traced to the normans at the battle of hastings,

and your country has bowed to that authority ever since and accepts the claim of force monopoly.

forget that tocqueville was stunned at the success of american democracy and our rapid rise in commerce

under that democracy....

today's problems are due to the oligarchy. it is fairly obvious that the democracy has been circumvented.i say that began on or about november 23, 1963. altho under carter we did still retain a functioning democracy

which has been under severe attack since. the red queen clinton is a full blown oligarch and the american oligarchal bureaucracy bows down to her. as do the sheep. but unlike your country which only has sheep, we have a few goats running around.

Not rich at all. Democracy was always going to be circumvented, it was only the method that was in doubt. It is mob rule and this will invariably favour the lesser over the greater. The meritocratic success graph always has fewer at the extremes and therefore the mediocre and poor are always the majority. Once the Government realises it can bribe the electorate with its own money it will increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it.

 

You seem defensive and proud when you talk about your country. I hope you do have goats, because the entire western world depends on that. We never had the freedom of America.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Karl

[zerostao]

well, you have achieved Brexit  and in these dangerous times, it is good to remind ourselves about the bright spots. 

i may have spoke a little harsh about your sheep.it is hard even for a lion to fight when its teeth have been pulled.

i just see the world spinning into madness and yes it makes me defensive.

the powers that are attacking our democracy will be attacking your country too. i am certain it is already underway.

the bribery going on is ridiculous, it is more like the govt scheme is putting us under crushing debt with our own money

and while we disagree with where the wealth is pouring out into. it is not flowing to the less fortunate. it all flows to the top, to the in favor establishment takers. barely a crumb gets tossed to those in need. i think we do share some common view.

Edited October 17, 2016 by zerostao

[Golden Dragon Shining]

[dawei]

Not rich at all. Democracy was always going to be circumvented, it was only the method that was in doubt. It is mob rule and this will invariably favour the lesser over the greater. The meritocratic success graph always has fewer at the extremes and therefore the mediocre and poor are always the majority. Once the Government realises it can bribe the electorate with its own money it will increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it.

 

Hi Karl,

 

I don't want to read back through many threads and posts to understand your position but I realize others have and do... i read criticism of your capitalism position or singular stance on it.

 

In light of the above quote, I would like to hear more.  

1. Democracy was always going to be circumvented, it was only the method that was in doubt.

2.  It is mob rule and this will invariably favour the lesser over the greater. The meritocratic success graph always has fewer at the extremes and therefore the mediocre and poor are always the majority.

3. Once the Government realises it can bribe the electorate with its own money it will increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it.

 

R1: Are you talking a specific democracy implementation or any?

R2: Sounds like a bell curve... of course the middle has more.   Just not sure of your point. 

R3: Bribe as a metaphor, yes?  make promises, etc...  Where in the world is this actually going on:  Increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it?

[Karl]

Hi Karl,

 

I don't want to read back through many threads and posts to understand your position but I realize others have and do... i read criticism of your capitalism position or singular stance on it.

 

In light of the above quote, I would like to hear more.  

1. Democracy was always going to be circumvented, it was only the method that was in doubt.

2.  It is mob rule and this will invariably favour the lesser over the greater. The meritocratic success graph always has fewer at the extremes and therefore the mediocre and poor are always the majority.

3. Once the Government realises it can bribe the electorate with its own money it will increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it.

 

R1: Are you talking a specific democracy implementation or any?

R2: Sounds like a bell curve... of course the middle has more.   Just not sure of your point. 

R3: Bribe as a metaphor, yes?  make promises, etc...  Where in the world is this actually going on:  Increasingly penalise the successful whilst pouring out the wealth onto those who least deserve it?

#1154 I have provided a link to explain it better.

 

Free election democracies with mixed economies are the danger, those that seek equality. It would be fine to run a democracy of some kind if the Government was delimited to rights protection. In reality, a society that had advanced that far might well have very little to do in regard to domestic crime, they might be more concerned with external threats, including those such as large asteroid detection, or even intergalactic law keeping.

 

I mean that the excellent producers are fewer than the mediocre producers and the mediocre fewer than the low producers. In a laissez faire political system this is not a concern. Even the low producers are engaged in the market which is heading forward like a ship through an ocean. As it travels forward it becomes ever more efficient and therefore productive and the entire ship travels ever faster. Democracies that vote away the productivity of the cutting edge and sails in order to give it to barnacles on the hull are slowing the ship down and everyone suffers as a result over time. A democracy with two parties offering free stuff to the poorer mob will inevitably be voted into power, there are more barnacles than sails or prow.

 

It is going on in every western democracy. It is not just the money, but has now spread to prevent discrimination of people. We are talking in the UK of quotas of women in jobs and equalising pay for women. This obsession with equality is a race to the bottom. It is intervention by force in a natural market place of supply and demand. As long as women are not restricted by Government force -as they would be in certain religious communities-from competing in the market of course.

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Footage Shows Democrats’ Effort to Incite Violence at Trump Ra...Breaking Footage: Democrats’ Effort to Incite Violence at Trump Rallies. Hillary Campaign 'fully in it'...busted!

https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/videos/761474580657106/?pnref=story

Edited October 18, 2016 by Sionnach

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[Karl]

"We have to win this thing regardless of ethics and laws"

 

I have paraphrased, but this should be understood as the day democracy was shown as nothing but a path towards totalitarianism"

 

If there are no laws and no morals applied to power, then we have power for the sake of power and that is totalitarianism pure and simple.

[wilfred]

"We have to win this thing regardless of ethics and laws"

 

I have paraphrased, but this should be understood as the day democracy was shown as nothing but a path towards totalitarianism"

 

If there are no laws and no morals applied to power, then we have power for the sake of power and that is totalitarianism pure and simple.

 

modern day leftists believe that the ends justify the means, the right side of history etc. then they project their behaviour onto other people and hypothetical scenarios, the most flimsy justification for their illegal, unethical conduct. turns out they're the actual fascists and have infected the mainstream with their authoritarian, hateful ideology. they must be defeated.

Edited October 18, 2016 by wilfred

[Karl]

modern day leftists believe that the ends justify the means, the right side of history etc. then they project their behaviour onto other people and hypothetical scenarios, the most flimsy justification for their illegal, unethical conduct. turns out they're the actual fascists and have infected the mainstream with their authoritarian, hateful ideology. they must be defeated.

The Russian October Revolution proved that they are difficult to defeat.

[zerostao]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-release-clinton-email-probe-161919930.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

 

"7th floor group" aka "shadow govt"

[joeblast]

hot off the presses, 88Gb big one

 

https://t.co/j4V8NH2Xmn

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[joeblast]

can download the db here

Edited October 18, 2016 by joeblast

[Karl]

Inciting violence is most certainly a serious offence. It's time she was in court.

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Also, Hillary paid Internet trolls 6 million recently to spread her stuff on the internet, facebook and attack the right.

 

The super-rich globalists like evil George Soros all back the Democrats.

 

One way to specifically prove this is look at who goes to the Bilderberg Group meetings.

 

They personally try to influence the world to become one government, one community under their control.

 

Notable recent attendees include Hillary Clinton, Obama and Beyonce.

 

Note the propaganda recently in Beyonce's music.  This propaganda permeates all the mainstream media, including shows like "The Talk"

 

In fact on a given day if you want to find out what they WANT you to believe just take a look at the propaganda on "The Talk'.

This is extremely evil folks.  Very evil.  I have always thought if it is not fair, why do it?  But some people just will not stop at nothing for complete control!

 

This is why I hardly watch T.V. anymore some show has some evil propaganda that wants you to think this way about a particular thing.

 

That is why we are far better off with the alternative, despite all the media lies.

[Wizz]

Also, Hillary paid Internet trolls 6 million recently to spread her stuff on the internet, facebook and attack the right.

 

The super-rich globalists like evil George Soros all back the Democrats.

 

One way to specifically prove this is look at who goes to the Bilderberg Group meetings.

 

They personally try to influence the world to become one government, one community under their control.

 

Notable recent attendees include Hillary Clinton, Obama and Beyonce.

 

Note the propaganda recently in Beyonce's music.  This propaganda permeates all the mainstream media, including shows like "The Talk"

 

In fact on a given day if you want to find out what they WANT you to believe just take a look at the propaganda on "The Talk'.

This is extremely evil folks.  Very evil.  I have always thought if it is not fair, why do it?  But some people just will not stop at nothing for complete control!

 

This is why I hardly watch T.V. anymore some show has some evil propaganda that wants you to think this way about a particular thing.

 

That is why we are far better off with the alternative, despite all the media lies.

 

She's not so bad once you get to know her

[joeblast]

RIP Julian Assange

 

why use a 3 year old picture of him for his last tweet

[joeblast]

http://www.cbs46.com/story/33418363/witness-clinton-forward-together-tour-bus-dumps-human-waste-into-storm-drain

 

 

that's some class right there

[joeblast]

Of course some of the the German people believed there were just rumors which goes without saying. Göring's quote is timeless and cross cultural.

 

I am sorting out the propaganda in this thread by comparing and contrasting every point of view. The fear mongering here which is based on partial truth and inflated to the 'big lie' is what I am commenting on and very concerned about.

here is what a poll looks like before the clinton and dnc bots get at it