Hillary and Trump

[thelerner]

It's possible that .. <add your own conspiracy theory>

 

It's not a conspiracy of liberal elites that are after Trump.  Its the conservative movement too.  The heart, soul and elder statesmen of conservative thought are against Trump.  Not because they're part of an illuminati, not because they're following orders.  He's just a really bad candidate.  

 

During the primaries polls showed Hillary beating Trump 51 to 39.  And losing big to John Kasich and very close races with the other leading contenders.  Trump ran his campaign like a reality show, full of insults and intrigue, it worked.  But not to Republicans benefit.

[zerostao]

It's possible that .. <add your own conspiracy theory>

 

It's not a conspiracy of liberal elites that are after Trump.  Its the conservative movement too.  The heart, soul and elder statesmen of conservative thought are against Trump.  Not because they're part of an illuminati, not because they're following orders.  He's just a really bad candidate.  

 

During the primaries polls showed Hillary beating Trump 51 to 39.  And losing big to John Kasich and very close races with the other leading contenders.  Trump ran his campaign like a reality show, full of insults and intrigue, it worked.  But not to Republicans benefit.

it's possible that Goldman Sachs.........or Time Warner  etc etc

shill was selected long ago

and on her first day in office oversight committees and pushes towards impeachment will begin,, how lucky we are as citizens to have to endure her divisive politics that favor the 1% at the expense of everyone else.

let alone her hawkish aggressiveness towards russia and the coming complete annihilation of the middle east which will result in ottoman empire 2.0 or else a new persian empire. the word peace has never been uttered by her and does not exist in her vocabulary.

i get it, those that are comfortable with the current status quo are those who have pushed her into power.

the ones comfortable with the status quo give a care less about anyone else or their struggles.

[joeblast]

[Aetherous]

I'm happy to know that you do not place less value on what I write, especially considering the mounting number of disagreements we've had thus far and your busy-ness is understandable etc etc

Recent disagreements have actually just been a coincidence, from my end.

[Karl]

it's possible that Goldman Sachs.........or Time Warner etc etc

shill was selected long ago

and on her first day in office oversight committees and pushes towards impeachment will begin,, how lucky we are as citizens to have to endure her divisive politics that favor the 1% at the expense of everyone else.

let alone her hawkish aggressiveness towards russia and the coming complete annihilation of the middle east which will result in ottoman empire 2.0 or else a new persian empire. the word peace has never been uttered by her and does not exist in her vocabulary.

i get it, those that are comfortable with the current status quo are those who have pushed her into power.

the ones comfortable with the status quo give a care less about anyone else or their struggles.

The key word here is 'stability'. The work is to cling to the mediocre, because the mediocre aren't ambitious, they won't object, nor question. A little bit of pressure applied through fear mongering is enough to keep the hens in their battery cages. Give them the illusion of freedom and then steal their eggs for lunch.

 

Instability is a threat to the elite, they can't even admit that they don't have control, they have deluded themselves for years. One day that illusion of control will evaporate and the wheel they had long thought were steering the car with, will turn out to be a kids plastic toy. It will be worse for them because they have maintained the belief for a long time, but the rest of the country have, by degrees seen their lives going down the pan and no longer believe in their omniscience.

 

It's really just the beginning. One big jolt is enough to begin a fire. Funnily enough, I suspect, like Brexit, Trump might delay things going nasty. However, neither Trump, nor Brexit can solve the current financial and structural mess of either country. The fuse is definitely lit.

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[thelerner]

I doubt it, ie the kidnapping.   Such an act would be wonderfully dramatic, breaking into an international embassy to steal away one of the most famous people in the world.. I also read about a drone that might be ordered against him. 

 

It used to be conspiracy theories happened after an event, to present an unlikely and paranoid solution to them.  These days the conspiracy theories fly fully birthed before events.  The absence of news spawns them.

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[ralis]

You seem mentally not well equipped in figuring out the big picture.

All the predictions of the "conspiracy theorists" including the rigging of the election

have been proven to be right so far

and you are simply in complete denial about that.

 

By what criteria and evidence are you in possession of that proves a rigged election beyond any doubt? Further, any conspiracy is only as sound as the actors involved and this one would need thousands to pull it off.

 

New York mobsters have traditionally been charged under the RICO Act i.e, conspiracy, in which one mob member turns states witness. Same would happen here. Someone would accidentally or intentionally spill the beans.

 

Addendum,

 

Would such evidence you possess hold up to a grand jury investigation?

Edited October 26, 2016 by ralis

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[Karl]

By what criteria and evidence are you in possession of that proves a rigged election beyond any doubt? Further, any conspiracy is only as sound as the actors involved and this one would need thousands to pull it off.

 

New York mobsters have traditionally been charged under the RICO Act i.e, conspiracy, in which one mob member turns states witness. Same would happen here. Someone would accidentally or intentionally spill the beans.

It's possible to form compartments in which the operators are unaware they are even actors. They can be fed false stories which ends up as mis-direction.

 

Not saying it's happening here, but neither should it be excluded. Even the 'vote rigging' maybe mis-direction. That's the nature of these things. Eventually you don't know what is fact, nor fiction and therefore stop trying to figure it out, or go mad trying.

 

The point of it is to get you to the polling booths and get you to endorse the system. Who gets voted in doesn't count, only the fact that you voted. Monkey took the peanut, everything nominal.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Karl

[ralis]

 

Is that all you have? Trump has started this rigged election mental virus and many are buying it. Show some real evidence and not some heavily edited clip that intelligent persons see through.

[Karl]

Is that all you have? Trump has started this rigged election mental virus and many are buying it. Show some real evidence and not some heavily edited clip that intelligent persons see through.

Or maybe Trump is just taking an acting role.

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[ralis]

It's possible to form compartments in which the operators are unaware they are even actors. They can be fed false stories which ends up as mis-direction.

 

Not saying it's happening here, but neither should it be excluded. Even the 'vote rigging' maybe mis-direction. That's the nature of these things. Eventually you don't know what is fact, nor fiction and therefore stop trying to figure it out, or go mad trying.

 

The point of it is to get you to the polling booths and get you to endorse the system. Who gets voted in doesn't count, only the fact that you voted. Monkey took the peanut, everything nominal.

 

It is still a conspiracy of large proportions and what many are missing is that each state/local district has their own system. Paper ballots, touch machines, ballot readers and so forth.

 

To say that Hillary is rigging the election is just plain nonsense. The misogynists believe that women in no way shape or form are able to rise to a high position without help from men, or sleep their way to the top, or cheat. Intelligence and hard work  are not in the domain of females, are what misogynists believe.

[ralis]

LOL! Talking about being in denial of reality,

I already provided enough undeniable proof in this thread for voting fraud happening right now:

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41592-hillary-and-trump/?p=715606

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41592-hillary-and-trump/?p=715608

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41592-hillary-and-trump/?p=715610

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41592-hillary-and-trump/?p=715612

http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41592-hillary-and-trump/?p=715613

 

Voter fraud is a very serious crime and punishable by 2-5 years in prison. There are very few cases (approximately 31) in the last couple of decades. No one is going to risk that for one vote.

 

Addendum,

 

Infowars sloppily edited propaganda doesn't count and would not be admissible in a grand jury investigation.

 

You don't live in the US and have no skin in the game!

Edited October 26, 2016 by ralis

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[ralis]

 

That means that is happening everywhere? It is illegal to film persons voting inside a polling station. The person filming should be in prison! Laws vary from state to state.

Edited October 26, 2016 by ralis

[ralis]

The videos in question were allegedly recorded in Texas. The laws are very clear in that state.

 

http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/11/06/state-laws-vary-on-polling-place-photography/

 

 

Texas
The Texas elections code (which can be browsed at <http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/el.toc.htm>http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/el.toc.htm) has nothing directly on point prohibiting the use of recording equipment by voters. But section 33.051© of that code does prevent election “watchers” from using any equipment to record sounds or images at the polling place. A watcher is defined as “a person appointed under this subchapter to observe the conduct of an election on behalf of a candidate, a political party, or the proponents or opponents of a measure.” In general, watchers are allowed to “be present at the voting station when a voter is being assisted by an election officer, and the watcher is entitled to examine the ballot before it is deposited in the ballot box to determine whether it is prepared in accordance with the voter’s wishes.” (section 33.057). Watchers are not allowed to “(1) converse with an election officer regarding the election, except to call attention to an irregularity or violation of law; (2) converse with a voter; or (3) communicate in any manner with a voter regarding the election.” (section 33.058). I am not sure how the rights and prohibitions of these watchers may interact with what our bloggers may want to do.

While I can’t say if bloggers can photograph their own experience, it looks like they can’t stick around and video/photo and interview others inside the polling places. Section 61.001(a) of the Election Code makes it a Class C misdemeanor to be a “bystander” that is actually inside the polling place. More seriously, § 61.006 says it is a felony of the following occurs “(a) A person commits an offense if the person was in a polling place for any purpose other than voting and knowingly communicates to another person information that the person obtained at the polling place about how a voter has voted.” This sounds like you can’t ask people how they voted and blog about it if you interviewed them inside. Also, you can’t “loiter” within 100 feet of the polling place.

Actually, all the Texas stuff is summarized pretty aptly by the following web site. It basically concludes that “The bright line rule seems to be no reporter or photographer in the”polling place, arguably the area defined by the registration desk, the voting booths, and the ballot box. Outside of that, photographers can take pictures from outside into the polling area so long as it does not reveal someone else’s vote or indicates to a voter in the polling place how to vote (Texas Election Code Section 61.008), and interviews just outside the polling place that do not involve electioneering are probably okay as well.”

[Wells]

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Wells

[ralis]

 

 

LOL! Guy was voting for himself, the rigged voting machine changed the vote to his opponent!

"A callibration error of the touch screen"! What a dumb and ridicolous claim, as there is no reported claim that votes were changed from "democrat" into "republican", all cases are only one way "republican" into "democrat"!

 

The first video show no evidence except a guy in a photo that has been circled and a state representative who was not interviewed but supposedly quoted.

 

The second is even worse which is full of rambling hearsay with no evidence.

[ralis]

So videotaping a crime happening

to be able to prove and to expose that it happens

is a crime in your eyes.

But you completely ignore that a much bigger crime happened to begin with!

And of course you completely ignore that (as I claimed) election fraud is happening right now in this election

and that this is proven through said videos without any doubt!

Hilarious!

...and very revealing.

 

In this country anyone hanging out in the voting area that is not voting or authorized to be there is asked to leave.

[ralis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9OAeQmj7I

 

Election fraud by voting machine caught on camera in battleground state Virginia. Election fraud by voting machine heats up, changing votes from Republican to Democrat, so far discovered & reported in Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, and Texas. Voter fraud by dead people voting for Democrats has been reported in Indiana, Virginia, California.

 

This proves this is a massive error or isolated? Was this problem corrected by the polling station supervisor? You show one little video and make a generalization out of it.

[ralis]

 

Very sloppy editing and slanted. The leader of this group Bruno Ernst Bruhwiler has a checkered past.

 

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/we-are-changes-la-leader-belies-groups-moderate-image

Edited October 27, 2016 by ralis

[ralis]

You seem mentally not well equipped in figuring out the big picture.

All the predictions of the "conspiracy theorists" have been proven to be right so far,

including the rigging of the election

and you are simply in complete denial of reality.

 

You disparage 'thelerner' by making snide remarks which proves what? And, which lends absolutely no credibility to your argument, whatsoever.

 

So far all you post are allegations that if presented in a court of law would be found to have no standing and frivolous. 

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standing

 

 

Standing

 

Standing, or locus standi, is capacity of a party to bring suit in court. State laws define standing. At the heart of these statutes is the requirement that plaintiffs have sustained or will sustain direct injury or harm and that this harm is redressable.

At the Federal level, legal actions cannot be brought simply on the ground that an individual or group is displeased with a government action or law. Federal courts only have constitutional authority to resolve actual disputes (see Case or Controversy). Only those with enough direct stake in an action or law have "standing" to challenge it. A decision that a party does not have sufficient stake to sue will commonly be put in terms of the party's lacking "standing". For Supreme Court decisions focusing on the "standing" issue, see, e.g., County of Riverside v. McLaughlin, 500 U.S. 44 (1991), Northeastern Fla. Chapter of the Associated Gen. Contractors v. City of Jacksonville, 508 U.S. 656 (1993) and Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, 504 U.S. 555 (1992).

wex: 

THE LEGAL PROCESS

courts

wex definitions

Edited October 27, 2016 by ralis