Hillary and Trump

[Kar3n]

Taking sides again? I don't have time to lecture you or anyone as to the ramifications of such xenophobic actions. Read history and ask, why these actions have occurred over thousands of years and the long term problems. Further, if there are 12 million Mexicans here to be deported, the military and police forces required, are enormous. There are better ways to deal with this issue.

 

BTW, I never said it was illegal. You inferred such.

 

Oh, please do pardon me and my ignorance, your Highness. Please understand I am just a lowly, uneducated woman wishing for you to bestow just a wee portion of your infinite wisdom upon me. Please forgive the error of my ways. I shall beg, crying and wailing in sackcloth and ashes until I have been forgiven for synonymizing unlawful as illegal.

 

If it should please you, I am providing a reference from whence I drew my conclusions about the words in question.

 

 

Full Definition of unlawful

1. 1:  not lawful :  illegal

2. 2:  not morally right or conventional

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unlawful

 

 

It is not xenophobic to deport immigrants whom are breaking the laws of this country through criminal acts or by being here illegally, nor is it unlawful or immoral to preserve the resources this country has for its citizens and law abiding immigrants. I am all for, as is, Trump, anyone who wants to be here and to make a better life for themselves and their families, but there are proper channels in which to do so, and coming over on a visa and just saying because they like it here better is not the way. No one has spoken of a mass round up, akin to some form of ethnic cleansing via deportation, during this election cycle like you are suggesting, but it is so like you to take every statement to the Nth degree. I am really not surprised.

 

It is you who takes a simple question to a whole other level with pompous opinions and your perpetual condescending tone throughout this thread and others. You might want to pull up on your intellect a bit, your contempt is showing, rails.

[wilfred]

lol

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10yKDDvIdc

[Karl]

Oh, please do pardon me and my ignorance, your Highness. Please understand I am just a lowly, uneducated woman wishing for you to bestow just a wee portion of your infinite wisdom upon me. Please forgive the error of my ways. I shall beg, crying and wailing in sackcloth and ashes until I have been forgiven for synonymizing unlawful as illegal.

 

If it should please you, I am providing a reference from whence I drew my conclusions about the words in question.

 

 

Full Definition of unlawful

• 1: not lawful : illegal

• 2: not morally right or conventional

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unlawful

 

 

It is not xenophobic to deport immigrants whom are breaking the laws of this country through criminal acts or by being here illegally, nor is it unlawful or immoral to preserve the resources this country has for its citizens and law abiding immigrants. I am all for, as is, Trump, anyone who wants to be here and to make a better life for themselves and their families, but there are proper channels in which to do so, and coming over on a visa and just saying because they like it here better is not the way. No one has spoken of a mass round up, akin to some form of ethnic cleansing via deportation, during this election cycle like you are suggesting, but it is so like you to take every statement to the Nth degree. I am really not surprised.

 

It is you who takes a simple question to a whole other level with pompous opinions and your perpetual condescending tone throughout this thread and others. You might want to pull up on your intellect a bit, your contempt is showing, rails.

Intellect ? :-o

[redcairo]

I don't watch the news, which is probably for the best actually, but it does mean that my by-proxy info tends to vary in quality, I admit, so I may be missing something. My understanding from context is that he wished to:

 

a> deport people here illegally (often not always from mexico) (not gonna be able to happen more than a fraction at best, not with kids or people with kids or anywhere near the number, but would be nice if we could merely START doing this at least with people arrested! as a process in every state); and

 

b> refuse new-visa entry to people who have not followed the legal immigrating process (there is a line! they can get in it) and particularly if they openly espouse a philosophy that literally advocates non-assimilation, subversion, gov't overthrow and enslavery of others (usually this is islam);

 

I don't find either of those approaches horrific or racist or nazi, they actually seem fairly reasonable if one's interests are in the safety, welfare and future of the country.

 

Neither of those things would threaten people who are hispanic because they are, or people who are already citizens who are muslims because they are. Both, of course, are often referred to in slang in passing -- mexicans, or muslims -- but surely this topic has been done to death enough to know the context in which it's addressed. "Assuming" that he must mean the larger context of just-seize-and-deport non white people for no reason except they're not white -- that's surreal.

 

RC

Edited November 9, 2016 by redcairo

[wilfred]

last one for today, night peeps

 

[redcairo]

It is unfortunate that people are sad.

 

These are my people too. I would die for them if I needed to serve defense with weapons, and I would hope to provide for them if I were in a role that made policy or law. Just because they wanted someone to win I disliked (granted I disliked their enemy candidate too) doesn't mean I laugh at their grieving or fears. There would have been the same on the other side if it had gone the other way and it could have.

 

RC

Edited November 9, 2016 by redcairo

[Karl]

It is unfortunate that people are sad.

 

These are my people too. I would die for them if I needed to serve defense with weapons, and I would hope to provide for them if I were in a role that made policy or law. Just because they wanted someone to win I disliked (granted I disliked their enemy candidate too) doesn't mean I laugh at their grieving or fears. There would have been the same on the other side if it had gone the other way and it could have.

 

RC

This was very much how many Brexiteers felt, unfortunately all that empathy began to evaporate in a hail of lies from the Remoaner press and politicians. I find it disgusting that these people care so little about their country, or the people they are supposed to represent, that they would do anything to create a division that serves their own ends. I don't blame the guy on the street who voted to remain, just the elite that seem intent on ignoring the will of the people and creating the sort of friction and anger that might well turn into violence.

[Kar3n]

I don't watch the news, which is probably for the best actually, but it does mean that my by-proxy info tends to vary in quality, I admit, so I may be missing something. 

 

...

 

 

RC

 

No, I do not believe you have missed a thing. I'd say you are well informed, even if by proxy.

 

[Golden Dragon Shining]

"President-elect Donald Trump’s campaign manager is now the first woman to lead a winning presidential campaign in the United States."

 

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/09/kellyanne-conway-first-woman-run-victorious-presidential-campaign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

[Golden Dragon Shining]

France will have the chance to elect female leadership in 2017
 

 

[MooNiNite]

The art that Podesta has in his house is so creepy.

 

http://livingresistance.com/2016/11/08/clinton-foundation-involved-child-trafficking-network-investigation/

[redcairo]

CNN's home page tonight reads "Obama's Legacy Nightmare" in gigantic letters.

 

Glad to see objective journalism is just what it usually is... see, nothing really changes.

 

The news media will spend the next four years trying to keep everything hysterical.

 

It is distressing to see so many of my good acquaintances online saying things like "See, we're a whole nation of racists" or "See, you can be a sexist and win but you can't be a woman." As if being a woman had anything to do with it. As if things like economy/jobs/veterans/etc. as a platform had nothing to do with it.

 

One woman said she was really concerned for her (legal immigrant 20 years ago) Pakistani-American friend, who along with her people and all who love her are very frightened for her. WTH? It's got to be the largest mass sale of fear in history -- my gosh, and we thought the Republicans were bad selling fear for war back when, but Obama's had way more war than they did, and several other things that make even George Jr. look clean comparatively, but I guess if the news doesn't attack you and make you responsible for everything before 9am, the people won't either.

 

Best thing about Trump taking the chair: finally we can blame something on the President, rather than blaming everything, STILL, on George Bush Jr.

 

RC

[Golden Dragon Shining]

At least half the country is no longer paying attention to mainstream media.

[Brian]

Taking sides again? I don't have time to lecture you or anyone as to the ramifications of such xenophobic actions. Read history and ask, why these actions have occurred over thousands of years and the long term problems. Further, if there are 12 million Mexicans here to be deported, the military and police forces required, are enormous. There are better ways to deal with this issue.

 

BTW, I never said it was illegal. You inferred such.

Do I get to pick which law I can break without consequences, too?

 

There are plenty of options other than deportation, of course. Rule of law would be a good start.

[redcairo]

All of these things require careful, compassionate for the welfare of a human but stern for the welfare of the group, thoughtful consideration of many details. I'm sure that's a given. Nobody would -- or could, in the case of those who would -- employ a strategy that was off the cuff or inhumane.

 

Much of the knee-jerk frustration about things like illegal immigration are not because people are against immigrants in general, but because currently our authorities' approach to the topic is SO bad it is literally creating resentment.

 

Right now for example it is not even uncommon that illegal immigrants can be arrested for a crime, tried for a crime, imprisoned for a crime, and then released -- back into the general public. California is infamous for doing that and not even notifying authorities at federal level they've done so.

 

Far as I'm concerned if you have valid reason to come to the attention of law enforcement -- and there should have to be a charge (just to prevent the overzealous jackboot scenario. Which I never support, but of course, one isn't supposed to be here illegally to begin with) -- and you are not legal, you get deported.

 

Obviously some plan has to be made; you can't deport people into the water off Florida if they're from Cuba; or into Mexico if they're from, oh I dunno, Finland or something (as if anybody from Finland is likely to want to live here, let alone illegally, lol).

 

And the problem with deporting to Mexico and a few other places, which is pretty much a pit run dominantly by the collusion of competing drug lords and utterly corrupt authorities at every level, is that this would have to be supported by their government or really we'd just be sending people over the border so someone could shoot them in the head, take their wallets and walk away.

 

One of the problems here is that other countries don't want to deal with their own people or take them back. The best thing we can do is make it known that it is very difficult to get in here, and very easy to get caught and thrown out, so people don't make the effort of getting in illegally in the first place. That's hardly an instant solution but it's the best deterrent for a problem we can't entirely solve on our own (if we look at the humane welfare of the people as part of the problem, and to me it is).

 

If someone is a child, or is the verifiable parent of a child here, I think most people even in favor of deporting illegals would balk at that, for several obvious reasons.

 

And of course you cannot just deport 12 million people even if you could find them all. (And who would want to.) (Some people might want to. I don't think more than a tiny fraction could ever be feasibly addressed.)

 

But the desire to address the issue is important and something needs to be done -- even if that something isn't anything like the major move the more extreme folks might hope for.

 

RC

[liminal_luke]

About illegal aliens.  It`s not so much that the United States shouldn`t deport people living within it`s borders illegally; it`s that we shouldn`t do so gleefully.  Attitude is everything.  There`s a huge difference between dispassionately enforcing the law and enforcing the law in a way that makes whole groups of people feel subhuman.  What bugs me about Trump isn`t so much the wall he wants to build, but the pleasure he seems to take in it.  Xenophobia is a little bit like pornography: hard to define precisely but we know it when we see it.

 

Yes, there`s a lot of fear right now.  And it`s likely an overreaction: people aren`t likely to be rounded up and put into camps or anything like that.  Not anytime soon anyway.  But I don`t blame people for their concern.  It`s not easy to live in a country when so many people think you`re the enemy because of your religion or country of origin.   

Edited November 10, 2016 by liminal_luke

[idquest]

Can anybody explain to me who is going to grow vegetables and work in the hotels if 12 million illegals are deported?

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Maybe the 45 million+ Americans on food stamps?

https://www.rt.com/usa/331216-americans-food-stamps-restrictions/

I did laboring and hospitality work during my studies. All of my friends similar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by Sionnach

[Shad282]

France will have the chance to elect female leadership in 2017

 

 

 

Marine Le Pen is very racist ! and way worse than donald in racism !!

[Wells]

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[Wells]

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[Brian]

Food for thought -- have you wondered how unorchestrated, spontaneously arising protests beginning hours after the election results come in in cities across the country just happen to be using the same sets of professionally printed signs and banners???

 

As is so often the case, just follow the money, back to the source in this case...

 

[Wells]

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[bax44]

Food for thought -- have you wondered how unorchestrated, spontaneously arising protests beginning hours after the election results come in in cities across the country just happen to be using the same sets of professionally printed signs and banners???

 

As is so often the case, just follow the money, back to the source in this case...

 

 

Yep. Its what I was saying the other day about the cops vs. Blacks "war". They flash it when and how it benefits them. Im not saying theyre all orchestrated but it appears they pick and choose what and how to cover it.

[Apech]