Hillary and Trump

[Jim D.]

I have not been interested in the upcoming election because I think that the outcome is up in the air and  not predictable. Hillary should have been arrested and charged for her email shannigans. Trump appears uncomfortable in his own skin. And does not look like a good fit for the job unless he surrounds himself with savvy people that will work for the People.

 

Observations:

 

Trump is a business man. He appears stilted and unprofessional as a politician. When I watched his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention, he appeared scripted and surrealistic. You could have put a plastic doll image of him on your dash board and gotten the same impression. His stop and go's were not smooth and transitional. His cadence was 1, 2, 3, and 1, 2, 3, as he turned from the middle, to the right and then to the left. When he acknowledged someone in the audience as someone he knew, his facial expressions were not warm and genuine...you might as well have been introduced in a board meeting and been described as a "good earner" in the Trump Corporation. I don't see a concrete plan coming out of his platform. The National Debt is much too great and out of reach to be able to turn it around and reduce it in the next 4 years. You have to be a Richard J. Dailey from the start in order to control all the palyers that have contributed to the problem. The President in practice has to be the boss, and the only boss at the top, without advisors who sway the President by concensus when it comes to big decisions...and at this point everything is a big decision. Our Governmental and Bureaucratic System will not let that happen. The Good 'ole Boys want to keep it the way its been going for a long time.

 

Hillary is a phony. She is in it for her...and maybe her husband, who would like a second chance at being President. When she let Bill get away with the Monica Lewinski issue she showed a lack of character, integrity, self esteem, and trustworthiness. I do not want her to lead me.

 

I vote for the person who walks the talk and is his own person. It would not surprise me if Bernie Sanders gets elected by default. We will have to see if our legal system will do their job regarding Hillary. But they are probably afraid that if they do, she will get her revenge when and if in Office.

Trump has nothing to loose. He made his Billions. I think that this could just be another Reality Show for him. He has made some pretty outrageous controversial statements and promises along the way. He has also worked people, backed off from his strongest intentions, and then adjusted to what his Party expected from him...just to get votes.

 

Everyone who runs for office makes promises, rolls up their sleeves like they are one of us, and then shreds the hire me speeches and does what they want or someone else wants them to do.  

 

How did it get this bad. I know, corruption from the inside.

[Karl]

So, your dilemma is either vote for an independent, or not to vote at all. I choose the latter these days if there isn't a clear alternative. I don't mean someone who I think will do a good job, but at least someone who doesn't represent the establishment status quo. A vote for anyone else but Trump or Clinton is a waste of time, but if you feel you must, then vote Garry Johnson.

[Marblehead]

I will vote for Jill Stein.  (Green Party)

Edited July 29, 2016 by Marblehead

[Karl]

I will vote for Jill Stein.  (Green Party)

I don't know about your Green Party, but ours is effectively communism sewn inside a sack marked environmental concern. Comrades all digging with bare hands in the dirt of a communal home farm seems to be their aim. Be careful you don't vote communism in by the back door.

[Marblehead]

I don't know about your Green Party, but ours is effectively communism sewn inside a sack marked environmental concern. Comrades all digging with bare hands in the dirt of a communal home farm seems to be their aim. Be careful you don't vote communism in by the back door.

Hehehe.  Yeah, it is strongly Socialist.  But they do have some principles I agree with.  They can't win the election.  My vote is only a protest vote.

[Karl]

Hehehe. Yeah, it is strongly Socialist. But they do have some principles I agree with. They can't win the election. My vote is only a protest vote.

What about Gary Johnson ? Isn't he right up your street, closest to anarchist -small government, low taxes etc stein wants gun control by which she means a ban. Mind you, neither do I agree that it should be an open free for all for any kind of weapon.

 

Both want to legalise cannabis which, I think is a mistake. I never used to take that view, but every one of these idiots that have shot up schools or public places have been taking it. I have two nieces that have developed mental illness shortly after using. I'm not saying that correlation is cause, but I think we need to think carefully before being passed off as being harmless. TCH is weird, it takes less and less of it to get high as the brain latches on to it, that means there are some alterations taking place.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Karl

[Aeran]

When she let Bill get away with the Monica Lewinski issue she showed a lack of character, integrity, self esteem, and trustworthiness. 

 

 

All of the above, but more importantly, I think it demonstrates how much she's willing to put up with to gain power, and probably explains why she seems to feel so entitled to it. I think it's strange, given how much of an issue it was when it happened, how much of a taboo there seems to be in the media against discussing Bill's infidelity as it relates to Hillary's political career.

 

That said, at the end of the day, I don't see a Trump victory happening. I think it's a bit of a fluke that he got in in the first place - had Romney waited another 4 years or McCain been young enough to run again, either of them would have easily swiped the nomination (and probably the election - I bet Romney is beating himself over the head right now). I know people in the US are riled up right now, but I just don't see them taking the wildcard option that Trump represents over Hillary's stability, even if it is a rather reprehensible kind of stability.

[Marblehead]

What about Gary Johnson ? Isn't he right up your street, closest to anarchist -small government, low taxes etc stein wants gun control by which she means a ban. Mind you, neither do I agree that it should be an open free for all for any kind of weapon.

 

One or the other, it really doesn't matter all that much.  Neither can possibly win since the media won't even mention them.  Most people don't even know there are other choice beside the two major parties.

 

Both want to legalise cannabis which, I think is a mistake. I never used to take that view, but every one of these idiots that have shot up schools or public places have been taking it. I have two nieces that have developed mental illness shortly after using. I'm not saying that correlation is cause, but I think we need to think carefully before being passed off as being harmless. TCH is weird, it takes less and less of it to get high as the brain latches on to it, that means there are some alterations taking place.

 

Yeah, I am against drug use.  But as an Anarchist who am I to suggest that there should be laws prohibiting it?

 

Prohibiting alcohol would present even a bigger problem for me because I do enjoy have a glass of wine on occasion.

 

 

[Karl]

 

What about Gary Johnson ? Isn't he right up your street, closest to anarchist -small government, low taxes etc stein wants gun control by which she means a ban. Mind you, neither do I agree that it should be an open free for all for any kind of weapon.

 

One or the other, it really doesn't matter all that much.  Neither can possibly win since the media won't even mention them.  Most people don't even know there are other choice beside the two major parties.

Both want to legalise cannabis which, I think is a mistake. I never used to take that view, but every one of these idiots that have shot up schools or public places have been taking it. I have two nieces that have developed mental illness shortly after using. I'm not saying that correlation is cause, but I think we need to think carefully before being passed off as being harmless. TCH is weird, it takes less and less of it to get high as the brain latches on to it, that means there are some alterations taking place.

 

Yeah, I am against drug use.  But as an Anarchist who am I to suggest that there should be laws prohibiting it?

 

Prohibiting alcohol would present even a bigger problem for me because I do enjoy have a glass of wine on occasion.

 

Yes, neither of them will win, but Johnson is showing a significantly good poll to at least suggest that future elections may be less cut and dried.

 

The question of drug and alcohol use is a tough one. I think this requires a philosophical change rather than a legal one. Prohibition doesn't work. Neither can there be a 'war on drugs', but it is a major issue if it results in death and destruction, so those who take psychoactive drugs are, in some cases, damaging their brains to the point of causing severe paranoia and doing so is equivalent to giving a toddler dynamite and fuses to play with. Alcohol causes immediate effect, but psychoactive drugs can cause immediate changes which last a lifetime.

[Aeran]

Both want to legalise cannabis which, I think is a mistake. I never used to take that view, but every one of these idiots that have shot up schools or public places have been taking it.

 

I assume you're being hyperbolic with the "every one," but which cases specifically are you referring to?

 

I have two nieces that have developed mental illness shortly after using. I'm not saying that correlation is cause, but I think we need to think carefully before being passed off as being harmless.

 

 

I agree that there's almost certainly some correlation, and likely a causal relationship, between marijuana and the emergence of mental illness (especially anxiety disorders and psychotic disorders). And I definitely agree that the legalization movement goes out of it's way to understate the issue, and would be very wise to adopt a less dogmatic view on that count if they don't want their propaganda to shoot them in the foot in the long run.

 

But, that said, the question isn't whether weed is absolutely harmless or not. No drug is harmless. The problem is that if we criminalized everything which was dangerous, then we'd have to ban alcohol, tobacco, effectively every pharmaceutical medication known to man, a wide variety of herbs and foods and an assortment of human activities (martial arts, skydiving, riding, hunting, shooting, driving, etc etc).

 

The relevant question is whether the harm caused by marijuana while it is illegal (because as you've discovered, even while illegal drugs are still readily available - and usually in a more harmful form than their legal varieties), combined with the harm caused by it being illegal (drawing users into the criminal sub culture and the black market, problems with the prison industrial complex, etc etc), is less or more than the harm caused by the drug while legally available.

 

And I think you'll find that if you examine the evidence, it states pretty conclusively that marijuana being legal causes substantially and demonstrably less harm to society than marijuana being illegal.

 

Putting aside the question of the life destroying prison industrial complex for the moment (although I don't think it's a question which can be ignored, since the moral ramifications are enormous), the evidence coming out of places which have legalized marijuana is that use either remains stable or decreases slightly and that the age of instigation of use goes up. 

 

 

TCH is weird, it takes less and less of it to get high as the brain latches on to it, that means there are some alterations taking place. 

 

 

 

Where are you getting this from? As far as I understand it, marijuana is like every drug, in that regular use causes a tolerance to develop, requiring more, not less, to achieve to same effect.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Aeran

[Karl]

Nope cannabis users develop a tolerance to some of the effects (coordination, sedative) and not others. You can't get any higher than a certain point no matter how much you have, but, here's the kicker, you can get higher by reducing the amount taken. Cannabis isn't like other drugs.

 

I wasn't been hyperbolic. The jury is out on the ALL because most of them were, had been taking substances such as alcohol, steroids and others. It's enough to ask the question at least. It isn't true that all cannabis uses are chilled out and relaxed. That's the impression given, but I know from personal experience that this is not true. I've seen it effect people in a similar way to LSD, they become very distraught, animated and angst ridden. I've wondered if the effects were similar to the Christmas mushrooms once served as treats in Northern areas-the Santa story of only 'good children' getting the presents, may have more to it.

 

As I said, I wouldnt criminalise it. I don't believe in prohibition, but it's clear to me that more study needs to be undertaken and those that wish to partake may require something like a psyche evaluation before they begin to use and regular advisory check ups throughout the time they are taking it. I certainly don't have a perfect solution, but it would be wise to temper the usual liberal 'anything goes' approach in this case until we know more.

 

It's always been assumed that alcohol is more dangerous because it is addictive, it does cause violence and destruction of the body, but alcohol is pretty well limited to harm of the immediate family who know what's going on and of course to the person themselves. It doesn't lead to a calculation to drive a van through a crowd of people in order to kill the maximum number, neither does it get you into a group who buy automatic weapons and go into a nightclub shooting, then torturing people by cutting off body parts and stuffing them into the victims mouths.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Karl

[Jim D.]

THC is fat soluable. There is fatty tissue in the neuron called the mylein sheath. THC interrupts chemical communication between neurons thus slowing down reaction time. Tolerance takes this awareness away from the user. This is called State Dependency. It takes years for the body system to metabolize, clean out this chemicle. It affects Testosteron levels, and the shape of sperm...making it difficult to get pregnant. A man can have engorged mamories if Pot is chronically used. A womens ovum production is affected. There are 700 know carcinogenic chemicals in Marijuana, and 1600 unidentifable chemicals when lite. Pot is causes disinhibition, decrease in concentration, and abstract reasoning and the ability to perform complex, multi-step tasks. Tasks that require organization, forethought, and concentration become very difficult and the individual generally has little or no motivation to concentrate on completing the tasks. Simple, boring, or "mindless" tasks might seem easier to do simply because the actions are automatic and do not require thoughts.

[vonkrankenhaus]

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"A man can have engorged mamories if Pot is chronically used."

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Actually, it dries up breastmilk and shrinks women's breasts.

 

This was some bullshit put out in the mid-70s to cover the pervasive use of phyto-estrogens and hormone-interrupting chemicals (BPA, pthalates, etc) in food and food packaging - which was enacted to reduce population growth.

 

Same shit in a river causes alligators with the wrong, or missing, sex organs.

 

Men are growing breasts who have never touched cannabis. LOTS of them.

 

There are many reasons for and against cannabis and many other things - but this breast thing is straight distraction and medical propaganda.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Kar3n]

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[Marblehead]

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[Jim D.]

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"A man can have engorged mamories if Pot is chronically used."

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Actually, it dries up breastmilk and shrinks women's breasts.

 

This was some bullshit put out in the mid-70s to cover the pervasive use of phyto-estrogens and hormone-interrupting chemicals (BPA, pthalates, etc) in food and food packaging - which was enacted to reduce population growth.

 

Same shit in a river causes alligators with the wrong, or missing, sex organs.

 

Men are growing breasts who have never touched cannabis. LOTS of them.

 

There are many reasons for and against cannabis and many other things - but this breast thing is straight distraction and medical propaganda.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

If you are going to critique me and my reasearch and specialty please do so with citation(s) or your own Longetitudinal study. Setting forth your opinion makes you appear inept, angry, and closed minded and a proponent of legalized Marijuana use.

 

BTW Marijuana was legalized here in the United States December 17, 1914 through the Harrison Narcotic Tax Act. It was challenged by the AMA. "The Act's applicability in prosecuting doctors who prescribe narcotics to addicts was successfully challenged in Linder v. United States in 1925, as Justice McReynolds ruled that the federal government has no power to regulate medical practice." (Wiki)

 

My Post is about my observations about Hillary and Trump and the coming election. Whether Marijuana should be legalize or not is not the issue here. But in my opinion based on the facts setforth here in my Post I wouldn't want to know if my Brain Surgeon smoked up the night before or in the last 6 months up to a year. Probably would go to another Brain Surgeon altogether.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Jim D.

[cold]

Its a sad that neither of the two candidates has more than 50% popularity. Both are pandering to our fears. He of others. She of him.

[Marblehead]

Fear is the great motivator any more.  Governments learned from religions how effective it is.

 

Bush Jr tried to synthesize the two but he failed at that just as he failed at nearly everything else he tried.  But Americans elected him twice.  We elected Obama twice.

 

It doesn't really matter who is elected.  They will have to play the game the wealthy in America dictate.

 

Trumps mouth overloads his ass quite often.  But I believe he is saying how he really feels.  (Except for the obvious bullshit.)

 

I have no idea whatever what to believe that comes out of Clinton's mouth.

[Jim D.]

Hillary reminds me of "Tricky Dick." Only his tricks caught up with him. Why isn't Hillary being prosecuted aggressively?

[Marblehead]

Hillary reminds me of "Tricky Dick." Only his tricks caught up with him. Why isn't Hillary being prosecuted aggressively?

 

Her husband is a good lawyer.

[Apech]

Her husband is a good lawyer.

 

 

She must be so compromised by all the favours she's brought in.

[wilfred]

lol @ the DNC being half-empty, white noise machines etc to silence the booos.

 

trump destroys crooked hillary again:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGHWou0h1kk

[Aetherous]

Why isn't Hillary being prosecuted aggressively?

 

Maybe she will be brought to justice in a different way.

 

[Marblehead]

Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.

[Jim D.]

It is so interesting how sensitive information that became insensitive information is now top secrete information.