Hillary and Trump

[zerostao]

For the most part

 

Left wing = cooperation, sharing, peace, liberty.

 

Right wing = Selfishness, exploitation, war, suffocating laws.

 

Of course this is very simplified.

 

The US government for the most part consists of the right wing it is just that they disagree on which suffocating laws they want to enforce upon the population.

wow, where the heck have you been?

[zerostao]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/larry-kudlow-hillary-clinton-investigation-president/2016/11/03/id/756931/

[Brian]

For the most part

 

Left wing = cooperation, sharing, peace, liberty.

 

Right wing = Selfishness, exploitation, war, suffocating laws.

 

Of course this is very simplified.

 

The US government for the most part consists of the right wing it is just that they disagree on which suffocating laws they want to enforce upon the population.

Ah. So "left-wing" is "good" and "right-wing" bad."

 

And "liberal" is "good."

 

How would/do you categorize some of the more familiar political and economic-model philosophies of our times?

 

EDIT: Or, as a more focused question, is there a political structure/model which you would consider "left-wing?"

Edited November 4, 2016 by Brian

[dust]

For the most part

 

Left wing = cooperation, sharing, peace, liberty.

 

Right wing = Selfishness, exploitation, war, suffocating laws.

 

Of course this is very simplified.

 

The US government for the most part consists of the right wing it is just that they disagree on which suffocating laws they want to enforce upon the population.

 

Dude.. it's not just simplified.. it's quite skewed..

 

We have to split the "wings" into 2 or 3 parts before having such a conversation.

 

Economic 'wings': communistic sharing vs capitalistic competition

Governmental 'wings': emphasis on governmental oversight vs emphasis on restriction of government's role

Social/cultural 'wings': emphasis on forward motion & change vs emphasis on tradition & staying the same

..and a bunch more.

 

Do you think communistic sharing always goes hand in hand with forward motion and rigid government?

 

Or capitalistic competition always goes hand in hand with tradition and having suffocating laws?

 

Left wing has connotations with communism, govt oversight, and change -- and I don't think these things fit together well

Right wing has connotations with capitalism, restriction of govt, and tradition -- and I don't think these things fit either

 

Left and right are an illusion. These terms serve only to force division and enmity.

 

In my opinion, capitalistic competition with a social emphasis on sharing, restriction of govt role but emphasis on certain roles, and emphasis on forward motion and change but with some tendency to preserve useful traditions, is the preferable combination. How would you categorize this? Left or right? I hope you don't think such a personal subject can be so easily boxed up!

[joeblast]

Capitalism first and foremost requires integrity of capital.

 

 

So when it is that some entities have control over a printing press that they can use to value or devalue fiat currency at will,

 

We simply do not have integrity of capital; We simply do. not. have. capitalism.

[joeblast]

Laura Silsby, the leader of the U.S. missionaries, had claimed she planned to build an orphanage in the Dominican Republic, but authorities in the country said she never submitted an application for this purpose.

Edited November 4, 2016 by joeblast

[blackstar212]

Dude.. it's not just simplified.. it's quite skewed..

 

We have to split the "wings" into 2 or 3 parts before having such a conversation.

 

Economic 'wings': communistic sharing vs capitalistic competition

Governmental 'wings': emphasis on governmental oversight vs emphasis on restriction of government's role

Social/cultural 'wings': emphasis on forward motion & change vs emphasis on tradition & staying the same

..and a bunch more.

 

Do you think communistic sharing always goes hand in hand with forward motion and rigid government?

 

Or capitalistic competition always goes hand in hand with tradition and having suffocating laws?

 

Left wing has connotations with communism, govt oversight, and change -- and I don't think these things fit together well

Right wing has connotations with capitalism, restriction of govt, and tradition -- and I don't think these things fit either

 

Left and right are an illusion. These terms serve only to force division and enmity.

 

In my opinion, capitalistic competition with a social emphasis on sharing, restriction of govt role but emphasis on certain roles, and emphasis on forward motion and change but with some tendency to preserve useful traditions, is the preferable combination. How would you categorize this? Left or right? I hope you don't think such a personal subject can be so easily boxed up!

Did you read the question I was asked?

 

It was simplified.

[Wells]

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Edited January 20, 2017 by Wells

[blackstar212]

Ah. So "left-wing" is "good" and "right-wing" bad."

 

And "liberal" is "good."

 

How would/do you categorize some of the more familiar political and economic-model philosophies of our times?

 

EDIT: Or, as a more focused question, is there a political structure/model which you would consider "left-wing?"

Right wing is not so much bad as it is a mental disorder from the way normal humans are supposed to be.

 

It is all humans who believe in right wing policies such as capitalism. It is a form of sociopathy

[Brian]

OK, so "left-wing" equal "normal" and "right-wing" equals "abnormal" or "mentally ill."

 

What do you understand the term "capitalism" to encompass?

 

Also, to repeat the earlier question, can you give an example of an ideology which you would consider left-wing? If you had a magic wand or woke up tomorrow and found yourself king of the world, what would you change?

[Karl]

Right wing is not so much bad as it is a mental disorder from the way normal humans are supposed to be.

 

It is all humans who believe in right wing policies such as capitalism. It is a form of sociopathy

Opposite. Capitalism is the ONLY moral system compatible with individual freedom.

 

The important thing is freedom. The freedom applies to everyone in a moral society which values life as the primary. Therefore violence, or more accurately the initiation of force is anti-freedom and therefore anti-life.

 

You would have to come up with a system that was not anti-freedom which bettered capitalism. Don't forget, that capitalist freedom includes the freedom to form any sort of peaceful associations that one wishes. Therefore, in a capitalist society you are at liberty to create a socialistic style of enterprise/community, but you cannot force that on others, neither can a capitalist force you to change your associations.

[Kar3n]

Right wing is not so much bad as it is a mental disorder from the way normal humans are supposed to be.

 

It is all humans who believe in right wing policies such as capitalism. It is a form of sociopathy

 

Describe normal, please.

[joeblast]

 

As expected.

Yeah, shocker, Podesta's buddy from law school fronting the DoG "handling" or non handling, as the case may be.

 

NYPD Chief said if the feds dont bring charges then he'll make sure everyone sees this

 

This is bullshit obstruction of justice.

 

but that's why you put your friends in those places, so they can cover for your treason.

[joeblast]

Susan Sarandon on why she won't back Clinton: 'I don't vote with my vagina'

 NOW you dont?  What was it Susan, ISIS, the pedophilia, or the child trafficking that did it for you...

[joeblast]

*pukes*  hates hair on his pizza

 

[Kar3n]

[Wells]

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Edited January 20, 2017 by Wells

[dust]

Did you read the question I was asked?

 

It was simplified.

 

Yes. Brian asked for your 'personal' definition of the terms.

 

It was, perhaps, a simplified version of your very personal definitions of the terms, but I'm suggesting that your very personal definitions skew reality to a degree that is quite unhelpful. It makes people unable to have a fruitful discussion with you, I think.

 

Anyway, if you are genuinely 'left' in all categories -- communism, looming government, rejection of tradition -- you'll find yourself in a pickle.

[Wells]

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Edited January 20, 2017 by Wells

[Karl]

Well, isn't that the very agenda of a troll...?

 

Benefit of the doubt

[wilfred]

[Karl]

Doesn't this smell of Alistair Crowley ?

[Wells]

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Edited January 20, 2017 by Wells

[Karl]

Alex Jones proven right again...

To a degree. I'm just figuring this lot out and if my assertions are correct this is really massive stuff, of which paedophillia is a footnote in a centuries old book. It's what the Clinton foundation is being utilise for, it isn't simply a foundation for money laundering but a huge chunk of foreign policy involving Zionist Jews and Saudi princes as well as Europe/UK and Russia/China. The US Government is owned.

[Karl]

Alex Jones proven right again...

To a degree. I'm just figuring this lot out and if my assertions are correct this is really massive stuff, of which paedophillia is a footnote in a centuries old book. It's what the Clinton foundation is being utilise for, it isn't simply a foundation for money laundering but a huge chunk of foreign policy involving Zionist Jews and Saudi princes as well as Europe/UK and Russia/China. The US Government is owned.