Deception was my job

[Golden Dragon Shining]

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (YNET NEWS)

 

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

 

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

 

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

More at http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3342999,00.html

History you don't often hear/learn about. 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

 

Going to open days at Uni seeing "Socialist Alternative/Alliance" and Marx 2016 conference ha...

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2016 by Kar3n
added direct link to the article

[Golden Dragon Shining]

[Karl]

If you don't get what this guy is saying, you are sunk.

 

"Meditation" is brainwashing. It is abdication of the mind, it is to give up on life.

"You are at war" every second of every day.

"Moral destruction" the principles meant to promote your survival

"Distorting reality" the basis on which you must develop principles.

 

The Mystics are here, they are real, they are intent on making men into cattle. You will have no say. Wake up and smell the evil, don't evade or remain ignorant.

[Apech]

What exactly is the point of all this?

[Karl]

Thank you Sionnach for starting this thread of truth. I add my own from Rand. Another escapee from socialism and another warning. However, it isn't so easy to escape Rand's and Bezmenovs predictions today. We see it everywhere and we had better wise up right now. No more living in our little bubbles of introspective consciousness. As Bezmenov says, it's only when the soldiers boot smashes into your balls that you will realise you should have done something.

 

[Karl]

What exactly is the point of all this?

To ask that question is to ask why the fire alarm is ringing. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

[Tibetan_Ice]

If you don't get what this guy is saying, you are sunk.

 

"Meditation" is brainwashing. It is abdication of the mind, it is to give up on life.

"You are at war" every second of every day.

"Moral destruction" the principles meant to promote your survival

"Distorting reality" the basis on which you must develop principles.

 

The Mystics are here, they are real, they are intent on making men into cattle. You will have no say. Wake up and smell the evil, don't evade or remain ignorant.

I don't know how you can make statements like these and still be here at TDB.

Mystics are evil?

Are you here to save us Karl?

Are you here to demolish TDB?

Edited August 19, 2016 by Tibetan_Ice

[Karl]

another interesting lecture on the principles of cultural Marxism, or what should be referred to as Freudian Marxism:

 

[bax44]

If meditation is "abdicating the mind"( I call bullshit)

then what is swallowing another human beings(rand) philosophy whole called?

[Karl]

If meditation is "abdicating the mind"( I call bullshit)

then what is swallowing another human beings(rand) philosophy whole called?

On the second point, that would certainly be true if somebody did - swallow any philosophy whole with applying reason and logic.

 

Meditation is about 'stilling the mind' in other words 'not thinking' and, like a holiday from work it can be beneficial particularly to begin to make sense of the cause of some internal distress, anxiety, panic, low self esteem. However, in respect of the rest of the world, it goes on regardless of stillness. A lot of people don't want any more worry and would rather evade the truth than let the horrors of the world into their private space-that's fine, but you aren't avoiding reality, you are evading it. Accept that this is what you are doing and accept the consequences of not fighting your corner and there isn't an issue, but if you think that meditating is putting you above reality you are suffering a delusion that reality will show you one day.

[bax44]

You and I will not agree on the meditation issue I fear, Karl, and that's fine. You apparently had or are projecting an entirely different experience onto it than Ive had. To me it does nothing like "put one above reality" but instead puts one more in touch with reality. I can only speak for myself, but if this is a conclusion you've drawn and your stating it as fact Id say you could try re examining your beliefs.

 

Rand has some good things to say, but again deciphering what and what not to leave out is key, which I hope you have. I have seen you reference Rand a bunch of times and not often question much of what she espouses. The worlds been ending for millennia according to each generation theirs is the last and they are sure of it. Horrible things happen everyday, I am not denying that at all..but the world..  Its still here and its not quite the "hellhole" I saw you describe in another thread. If this is where your belief system has led you then perhaps the machine has malfunctioned to a certain extent and your reality tunnel should be looked at a bit closer.

Edited August 16, 2016 by bax44

[silent thunder]

if you have to sell something

it isn't worth buying

[Karl]

You and I will not agree on the meditation issue I fear, Karl, and that's fine. You apparently had or are projecting an entirely different experience onto it than Ive had. To me it does nothing like "put one above reality" but instead puts one more in touch with reality. I can only speak for myself, but if this is a conclusion you've drawn and your stating it as fact Id say you could try re examining your beliefs.

 

Rand has some good things to say, but again deciphering what and what not to leave out is key, which I hope you have. I have seen you reference Rand a bunch of times and not often question much of what she espouses. The worlds been ending for millennia according to each generation theirs is the last and they are sure of it. Horrible things happen everyday, I am not denying that at all..but the world..  Its still here and its not quite the "hellhole" I saw you describe in another thread. If this is where your belief system has led you then perhaps the machine has malfunctioned to a certain extent and your reality tunnel should be looked at a bit closer.

It may well put you more in touch with reality by quietening down the clutter, but that's only the first stage-not everyone needs it, but creative/ bright people are often spinning their minds at high rates in an emotional whirl. Everything in its place. There are many who believe that meditation is taking them to higher realms, making their consciousness bend reality, or to float completely above it.

 

There isn't anything to filter out regarding objective philosophy. There may be many things to filter out in Rand's 'opinions'.

 

The world isn't ending, but civilisation can and does. Up until now this has not been catastrophic because there were always more places that people could escape to. Now we have globalism that situation no longer applies. The USA was the last of the places of enlightenment for people fed up of oppressive tyranny. Like everything, competition improves things. The US is dying and I find that frightening because there is no where left-unless you want to live in Autarky in the mountains as happened to Tibetans ( who are even now under threat so remoteness is no guarantee). I don't have children, so, to some extent I don't have a dog in the race, but I revel in the battle to enlighten people to freedom and discourage the evil of collectivism wherever it lurks.

[Karl]

if you have to sell something

it isn't worth buying

If you have to sell me the idea that selling something means it isn't worth buying, then that's not worth buying either :-)

[liminal_luke]

Murderers come in all ethnicities and racial persuasions.  But my hatemongering radar goes up when I read thread titles like this one.  Learning history is one thing, fanning prejudice another.  I´m not going to report this thread but I think it´s skirting a line.

 

Whenever someone names a minority group and tells us that we "mustn´t forget" something negative about that group...well, you´ve got to wonder about motivation.

 

Here are some other potential threads I´d find similarly questionable.

 

We mustn´t forget that... 

 

Asians are bad drivers.

Blacks are gangsters and thieves.

Arabs are terrorists.

 

And so on.  Some stereotypes really are best forgotten.

Edited August 16, 2016 by liminal_luke

[Karl]

Murderers come in all ethnicities and racial persuasions.  But my hatemongering radar goes up, when I read thread titles like this one.  Learning history is one thing, fanning prejudice another.  I´m not going to report this thread but I think it´s skirting a line.

 

Whenever someone names a minority group and tells us that we "mustn´t forget" something negative about that group...well, you´ve got to wonder about motivation.

 

Here are some other potential threads I´d find similarly questionable.

 

We mustn´t forget that... 

 

Asians are bad drivers.

Blacks are gangsters and thieves.

Arabs are terrorists.

 

And so on.  Some stereotypes really are best forgotten.

Yep, I agree, I was kind of worried that it was a racial thing, but it isn't so the title could do with altering IMO. It's really about murdering Marxists, but the name of communism has been steadily evolved to include progressive and liberals. I doubt you will be happy about its contents, but you should make yourself aware. If Marxism does get itself ensconced in any Western country then you can wave goodbye to all those 'rights' you thought you had.

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Murderers come in all ethnicities and racial persuasions.  But my hatemongering radar goes up when I read thread titles like this one.  Learning history is one thing, fanning prejudice another.  I´m not going to report this thread but I think it´s skirting a line.

 

Whenever someone names a minority group and tells us that we "mustn´t forget" something negative about that group...well, you´ve got to wonder about motivation.

 

Here are some other potential threads I´d find similarly questionable.

 

We mustn´t forget that... 

 

Asians are bad drivers.

Blacks are gangsters and thieves.

Arabs are terrorists.

 

And so on.  Some stereotypes really are best forgotten.

 

Well said, Liminal Luke. And while you didn't report this thread, others did. The topic is closed while under consideration by staff.

 

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[Kar3n]

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[ralis]

The OP of the thread is still allowed to participate here? He knew what he was posting here and yet nothing is done about it. Just a slight revision and everything is fine?

[joeblast]

Yeah, its not nice to disparage actual peaceful jews, by not separating the zionists from the equation.

[Karl]

 

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[Karl]

Yeah, its not nice to disparage actual peaceful jews, by not separating the zionists from the equation.

It's not nice to attack any peaceful people regardless. In this case it isn't aimed even at Zionists, it just puts things into an historical perspective. There are bad and good eggs everywhere. This particular piece was written by an Israeli Jew in a leading Jewish publication, this was a Jew that called out his own people for their hand in the atrocities under Stalin. The title wasn't Sionnachs, it was that used in the publication.

[ralis]

It's not nice to attack any peaceful people regardless. In this case it isn't aimed even at Zionists, it just puts things into an historical perspective. There are bad and good eggs everywhere. This particular piece was written by an Israeli Jew in a leading Jewish publication, this was a Jew that called out his own people for their hand in the atrocities under Stalin. The title wasn't Sionnachs, it was that used in the publication.

 

He knew what he posted and he should be suspended or banned. This forum is no place for racism or bigotry. Speech is a powerful force and if in the wrong hands can create massive destruction and problems.

 

The OP should engage in a bit of critical thinking before writing.

[Karl]

He knew what he posted and he should be suspended or banned. This forum is no place for racism or bigotry. Speech is a powerful force and if in the wrong hands can create massive destruction and problems.

 

The OP should engage in a bit of critical thinking before writing.

There is no place for racism or bigotry, but that must apply equally. This piece was written by an Israeli Jew (in a leading Jewish magazine) to highlight the lionisation of Jews which has made it almost impossible for people to criticise their own part in historical atrocities. This sets an equally dangerous precedent in every group, race or culture. Once a group is liberated through victim hood, they are free to act in ways that often encourage a blind eye through the suppression of criticism.

 

It was a hard hitting title, I balked and wouldn't read it, but it was the actual title from the pen of a Jewish writer (I don't know if you can be exactly racist against ones own race ?). I think it asks important questions that require light. I thought it was just another hideous Jewish hit piece by an anti-Semite, but it isn't. I even had several fairly heated discussion with Sionnach by PM in which we disagreed, so, it wasn't some casual thought process. I still don't like the title, but, that wasn't Sionnachs fault.

 

Shutting down free speech on tough subjects is, itself, racist, if it denies the truth that every class, creed, race, religion, group, sex, colour or sexual orientation contains good and bad eggs. We cannot exclude any group or individual form historical and ethical analysis, or those that get their mouths sown shut are the victims of inverted racism.

 

Instead of simply having a knee jerk PC reaction to someone's opinion, why not open it out, make fun of the bigots and racists, show them up for what they are by all means, but slapping a gag and handcuffs on dissenters gets us no where. Why not ask Sionnach what he means, why he posted, get a dialogue going, don't go looking for the dungeon and rack the moment your fuse is tripped.

 

I believe this is why the mods allowed it to continue, but I don't think we can let it continue if it's just going to be calls for punishment. If you say you like to use critical thinking then debate it fairly and calmly.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Karl