How Are Having and Giving the Same Thing?

[rene]

I share with your perspective -- and without cognitive dissonance.

Yeppers, totally.

[cold]

May I have a cake?

And eat it too?

When does the cake become me?

 

What if I give the cake away?

A tasty healthy organic squash & chocolate cake.

I the donor want to lose 10 pounds of weight (only 25 to go and reach that goal).

 

The person receiving the cake is celebrating an occasion.

Happy to enjoy the cake.

After all food is love!

[Wu Ming Jen]

Giving is having an abundance of tomatoes. It is tomato season after all .  If you do not lock your car doors where I live it will be filled with tomatoes.

[DreamBliss]

And there are the Ten Thousand Things and a tomato is one of them.

 

I could make a lot of spaghetti with 10,000 tomatoes...

 

 

[DreamBliss]

Here's a quote from, "Emmanuel's Book" by Pat Rodegast that I think provides another perspective on this:

 

"The way to transform violence

back into the beautiful Light force

that it truly is

is the exquisite task of seeing violence

not as it presents itself, but as the force

that it will ultimately become.

There is a key here for all of you:

see even in the most despicable

the Divine quality that has become distorted.

 

What would violence be in its Divine state

before it has been twisted into vicious aggression?

It is the power to stand

and to speak and to witness

to a deep faith in the Light.

 

Violence is a form of witnessing to,

but it is witnessing to distortion

rather than to truth.

There is courage in violence.

Don't forget that for one moment.

It is stepping out,

going beyond the 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts.'

It is saying, 'I exist and I must be seen."

Hear that in the context of spiritual teaching

and you will find the means by which violence

can be transformed within yourself

and therefore within the world.

 

Murder, violence, cruelty,

visciosness, wickedness - yes this all exists

just as kindergarten exists before first grade.

Violence is painful for you who look

from a level beyond (not better than

but certainly wiser that), and see with the anguish

the anguish that creates the anguish.

 

Do not be afraid of terror.

Do not react violently to violence.

Do not feel pain abut pain.

By doing so, you perpetuate

what you are seeking to avoid.

When you pass judgement on such things

you are limiting God's reality

to your human understanding.

 

From where you sit, there is right and wrong

and from where I sit, there is truth.

Many in your human world might relish

what punishment may come to the murderer

as he enters into another life

to atone for his violence.

Yet you cannot judge that.

You can only bless and pray

and open and trust."

 

I take away two things from this. Having and Giving are the same energy, but with different focuses. I am still wrapping my head around that.

 

The other thing that I have been saying for some time now is that resistance to something only makes it stronger. Focus on what is not wanted only perpetuates whatever what is not wanted. I have picked this up through a variety of books and teachings, including LoA, and my own contemplation. It is interesting to see it verified here, in a book written so long ago that I am not sure many are aware of. It is a wonderful, loving text and I highly recommend it.

 

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Marblehead]

Yes, violence is the same energy that would be used to help someone who is in need.  The energy is simply applied differently.

 

I still don't have a good handle on "having and giving is the same energy" but if we look at it from the perspective of a bellows, each time we give we regain what we give.  Hard to apply in only the manifest.