Focused use of chatroom

[thelerner]

I was thinking about uses for chatroom. Something with a little more focus then the usual random conversations.

I read a book awhile back on the Socratic Method. Specifically people getting together to politely discuss specific ideas and concepts.

There were certain protocols to it. Maybe a leader whose job was to ask questions and keep the conversation lively.

Maybe we could experiment with that here. Pick a subject and time, do a count down and see how it goes. Subjects could.range fro. Simplicity to Karma.

Idea 2
Live lectures. Perhaps some could be led by teachers here. Set up a time, and discuss a system and allow for a Q and A afterwards. Doesn't have to be a teacher, anyone could set up a Lecture.

I find most of the time Chat is empty. Having a few specific events a week might be a good way to develop community.

[Zhongyongdaoist]

I was thinking about uses for chatroom. Something with a little more focus the. The usual random conversations.

 

I read a book awhile back on the Socratic Method. Specifically people getting together to politely discuss specific ideas and concepts.

 

There were certain protocols to it. Maybe a leader whose job was to ask questions and keep the conversation lively.

 

Maybe we could experiment with that here. Pick a subject and time, do a count down and see how it goes. Subjects could.range fro. Simplicity to Karma.

 

Idea 2

Live lectures. Perhaps some could be led by teachers here. Set up a time, and discuss a system and allow for a Q and A afterwards. Doesn't have to be a teacher, anyone could set up a Lecture.

 

I find most of the time Chat is empty. Having a few specific events a week might be a good way to develop community.

 

This is an interesting suggestion, and for those who want to know more about "The Socratic Method", without buying a book, this site is virtually on online book on its history and uses:

 

The Socratic Method Research Portal

 

It is very well written, and useful resource for understanding what is really at the root of Western Philosophy.

 

Though people might still object to chat being taken up in a such a single issue way for long periods of time, so maybe this is another good reason to investigate the possibility of multiple chat rooms.

[Kar3n]

I was thinking about uses for chatroom. Something with a little more focus the. The usual random conversations.

 

I read a book awhile back on the Socratic Method. Specifically people getting together to politely discuss specific ideas and concepts.

 

There were certain protocols to it. Maybe a leader whose job was to ask questions and keep the conversation lively.

 

Maybe we could experiment with that here. Pick a subject and time, do a count down and see how it goes. Subjects could.range fro. Simplicity to Karma.

 

Idea 2

Live lectures. Perhaps some could be led by teachers here. Set up a time, and discuss a system and allow for a Q and A afterwards. Doesn't have to be a teacher, anyone could set up a Lecture.

 

I find most of the time Chat is empty. Having a few specific events a week might be a good way to develop community.

 

 

We had a discussion in chat several weeks ago and I brought up this idea with the few who were present. The consensus was that it was not a good idea.

 

Perhaps brainstorming with a broader group will lead to new ideas.

[thelerner]

We had a discussion in chat several weeks ago and I brought up this idea with the few who were present. The consensus was that it was not a good idea.

Perhaps brainstorming with a broader group will lead to new ideas.

Good to know.  Were people against the Teacher Lecture, Socratic conversation led chat or Directed chat in general? 

[Kar3n]

Good to know.  Were people against the Teacher Lecture, Socratic conversation led chat or Directed chat in general? 

Yes.

 

There were arguments against the chatroom being monopolized through structure of any kind for anything other than chat.

[rene]

Yes.

 

There were arguments against the chatroom being monopolized through structure of any kind for anything other than chat.

Were the arguments being made by those monopolizing the chat room?

 

TheLearner... your ideas are totally old school & good ones, imo. In the old RSF forums, there were dedicated times for specific topics, i.e., Mondays 8-9 for Buddhist discusdions; Wednesdays 7-8 for DDJ topics, etc. Any other times were open for whatever. That said...

 

It takes a lot of work, dedication & time for whoever is hosting that hour/discussion. AND, RSF (Religions & Spirituality Forums) was a multiple chatroom site only (no threads) with many active hosts. I ran the Tao section. Scary, eh? Heh.

 

Again, old school. My fond memories like your idea. I just hope you know what you'd be in for.

 

Warmest regards,

(the former) RSF WinterBear (-:

[thelerner]

Yes.

 

There were arguments against the chatroom being monopolized through structure of any kind for anything other than chat.

I wonder if a group doing something specific could immediately create there own 'subchat' room, that others would have to pick, once they entered chat?  That may be possible, and good etiquette so newcomer's aren't automatically thrown into something they don't want. 

[Kar3n]

I wonder if a group doing something specific could immediately create there own 'subchat' room, that others would have to pick, once they entered chat?  That may be possible, and good etiquette so newcomer's aren't automatically thrown into something they don't want. 

 

I do believe dawei has been investigating this approach, in some form, ever since we (admin, mods & members) had the discussion in chat about its use.

[thelerner]

interesting.. I was just in Chat, wanting to check if private rooms were available.  I found you can create 1 on 1 private chats, but not separate group areas. 

 

 

There were two others on Chat, they got into sexual innuendo kind of quickly, which made me bow out.  That may be the nature of chat.  You go with the flow or you bow out.  There's a third option, I could have asked them to go Private Chat but bowing out, leaving, seemed my best least obtrusive option though. 

[Zhongyongdaoist]

interesting.. I was just in Chat, wanting to check if private rooms were available.  I found you can create 1 on 1 private chats, but not separate group areas. 

 

 

There were two others on Chat, they got into sexual innuendo kind of quickly, which made me bow out.  That may be the nature of chat.  You go with the flow or you bow out.  There's a third option, I could have asked them to go Private Chat but bowing out, leaving, seemed my best least obtrusive option though.

 

There was some public discussion about "groups", and extension to the site software, awhile back, it starts here:

 

As we look forward to the latest release we are also reviewing add-ins.

 

Is this close to what you were suggesting?

 

https://invisionpower.com/files/file/7264-group-collaboration-full/

in subsequent discussion the specific extension was criticized, but it may need further examination.

[Kar3n]

interesting.. I was just in Chat, wanting to check if private rooms were available.  I found you can create 1 on 1 private chats, but not separate group areas. 

 

 

There were two others on Chat, they got into sexual innuendo kind of quickly, which made me bow out.  That may be the nature of chat.  You go with the flow or you bow out.  There's a third option, I could have asked them to go Private Chat but bowing out, leaving, seemed my best least obtrusive option though. 

 

 

It can get downright uncomfortable at times with the juvenile sexual innuendo. But of course, when it is done by the good ol' boys it is all no harm and no foul. 

[thelerner]

Don't we all consider ourselves witty good old boys and gals??  Problem is one persons playful banter is others discomfort and  another's outrage.  We'll never moderate Chat in real time.  I was mildly discomfortable, and as an adult I left.  No harm, no foul.  Knowing myself at another time, I might have caught the spirit and joined in. 

 

I think the onus was on me to either leave gracefully or ask them to 'get a room (private chat)'.  I have a harder time when aspects of the board are monopolized.  I can stand a little bit of most anything, its when we get a dozen repetitive posts, or single minded groups monopolizing for hours that I think its a problem.  Not when its occasional.

[liminal_luke]

There are some things that should be banned on grounds of general decency. Although decency is a rarity these days....

 

Forums, especially ones focused on spirituality, (and, more accurately, their respective chatrooms) shouldn't have a cyber-brothel adjunct...

 

Cyber-brothel adjunct...I love that phrasing.  

 

I apologize if my attempts at humor in the Sexcapades thread or elsewhere stuck you as inappropriately bawdy.  When it comes to sexual energy and such, I´m very much a new soul I´m afraid.  At least metaphorically, if not literally.

 

It´s so surprising to me that people would think to get into sexually provocative conversations in chat.  There are so many other better places for that kind of thing in cyberspace.

 

Liminal

[rene]

There are so many other better places for that kind of thing in cyberspace.

True.... but where else would one get to wear their tin-foil condom & feel right at home?

 

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Edited September 10, 2016 by rene

[Kar3n]

Don't we all consider ourselves witty good old boys and gals??  Problem is one persons playful banter is others discomfort and  another's outrage.  We'll never moderate Chat in real time.  I was mildly discomfortable, and as an adult I left.  No harm, no foul.  Knowing myself at another time, I might have caught the spirit and joined in. 

 

I think the onus was on me to either leave gracefully or ask them to 'get a room (private chat)'.  I have a harder time when aspects of the board are monopolized.  I can stand a little bit of most anything, its when we get a dozen repetitive posts, or single minded groups monopolizing for hours that I think its a problem.  Not when its occasional.

 

 

Of course we do, and bowing out of the conversation when things get uncomfortable is the thing to do lest we add to the juvenile, pompous behaviors by laughing it up about chocolate molded male genitalia, complete with links to photos. This forum does not condone the use of graphic or sexual imagery and I do not see how chat should be any exception.

 

You might be correct in saying that chat will never be moderated in real time, however, there is a big push for some form of moderation, and one person's concern is no greater than another's. Let us not forget the founding principles of this forum.

 

Anyway, I hope the future of the chatroom is decided upon with benevolence, precision and grace, sooner rather than later. This fiasco has gone on long enough.

[rene]

You might be correct in saying that chat will never be moderated in real time, however, there is a big push for some form of moderation, and one person's concern is no greater than another's. ...

If there is not a Mod present 24/7 (real time) the only way to moniter is reading all the chat logs to hunt for offenders.

 

Please choose wisely.

 

warm regards

[Kar3n]

If there is not a Mod present 24/7 (real time) the only way to moniter is reading all the chat logs to hunt for offenders.

 

Please choose wisely.

 

warm regards

 

 

You must be misunderstanding, I was present and not reading some logs I have no desire or ability, that I know of, to access.

 

Being mindful and having even a minute amount of respect for ourselves and others goes pretty far, even in a chatroom. My point is that if anything goes by way of speech and links to imagery and the consensus is that forum rules do not apply to the forum's chatroom, then why the need to create and enforce rules for practices in the chatroom on the same forum that discusses them?

[rene]

You must be misunderstanding, I was present and not reading some logs I have no desire or ability, that I know of, to access.

 

Being mindful and having even a minute amount of respect for ourselves and others goes pretty far, even in a chatroom. My point is that if anything goes by way of speech and links to imagery and the consensus is that forum rules do not apply to the forum's chatroom, then why the need to create and enforce rules for practices in the chatroom on the same forum that discusses them?

Hi Kar3n,

 

You read into my post what wasn't there - I didn't suggest you did anything.

 

My point was to the next step of: How will the chat room rules be enforced?

 

Sorry if my post was unclear (-:

 

warm regards

[Kar3n]

Ultimately, what happens with the chatroom will be at the discretion of the owner and admin after reviewing membership's points of view.

 

I personally, I do not wish to see the chatroom moderated in real time. My wish is that we all remember the principles under which this forum was created along with the simple terms and rules of use that we all agree to upon clicking "Register" to extend to chat.

 

I see no need to overcomplicate this.

[silent thunder]

since when is sexuality not spiritual?

what is this assumption that to be spiritual we must be divest of connection to one of our more potent processes?

 

such odd puritanical assumptions and projections among such awake people

Edited September 12, 2016 by silent thunder

[liminal_luke]

since when is sexuality not spiritual?

what is this assumption that to be spiritual we must be divest of connection to one of our more potent processes?

 

such odd puritanical assumptions and projections among such awake people

 

Sexuality is Spiritual.  But we live in a culture that judges sex and punishes it´s natural expression.  We´ve tried, unsuccessfully, to push sexuality into the shadows but it just keeps bubbling up.  (Thank God too, because if it did not bubble up we´d be in even worse shape.)  As it is, the sexual impulse that emerges out of the shadow often lacks the spiritual purity it had before it was suppressed.  Suppressed sex bubbles up in a deranged form, bubbles up chemically bonded with shame and rage, splintered off from love and affection.  And this we don´t need.

 

So what to do.  How do we honor our sexual selves, the rightness of this strong and basic impulse, when we´re so mixed up?  Can we say YES to sex and NO to rape, child molestation, human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, and unwanted catcalling of young women on the street?  I don´t know.  I don´t even know what to say no to.  Maybe prostitution isn´t always bad?  Maybe there are sacred whores healing whose job it is to heal this pathological division of the soul?  Maybe some pornography is beautiful and good?  

 

I really don´t have the slightest idea.

Edited September 12, 2016 by liminal_luke

[dawei]

I have been researching the chatroom options and it seems to me the #1 problem is a single chatroom.  While there is private chat, it is only 1v1.    One small twist is that we'd like to go to the next version but there are major changes in access/permissions and we reported at least one bug which prevent even our current use of PPD for some members.

 

I like the group add-on I shared, if at least in some limited way to ease the pressure on chat.   That would need some kind of testing to even know what it can do but that is for the next version...

 

I have thought about the idea mentioned here of scheduling certain times of day for different things.   It would likely need to be on the entry notice as a schedule as well to remind folks.

[RiverSnake]

The core issue seems to be that some people get uncomfortable when talking about sex. That this discomfort should lead us on a path to censorship.....i find quite disconcerting. 

Edited September 13, 2016 by OldChi

[doc benway]

How about this?

If you are uncomfortable with something being discussed in a chatroom, ask if the subject can be changed, if others would prefer not to change the subject, leave...

 

Better yet, stick around and allow yourself to feel this discomfort.

Listen to what others are saying, stay with it, open to how it feels and what it brings up for you.

 

It is not the subject matter or the other people that are the problem, it is something in you.

Look at what that tells you about yourself.

Perhaps it is something you need to help you grow.

 

Censorship? Segregation? Scheduled chat times?

I'd rather see you shut the chatroom down completely.

[dawei]

The core issue seems to be that some people get uncomfortable when talking about sex. That this discomfort should lead us on a path to censorship.....i find quite disconcerting. 

 

I'm not aware that it was simple as that.   Two issues I know of are:

1. complaints of energy leakage based on sexual practices and that it affected someone after two weeks of visiting chat to feel it repeatedly and affected their dreams.

2. Use of sexual, vulgar slang terms made some uncomfortable