Kunlun Nei Gung "100 Days" Support Thread

[Cameron]

100 Daaaaaaaaaaaaayz.

[bindo]

well this thread went right down the toilet!

[Cameron]

Hehe...

 

Funny thing is we havent even really gotten into 100 days yet.

 

Looks like this was just a warm up.

 

ANYWAY...I'll report back on my progress once a week, every sunday night.

 

Hopefully no more trolls will dump there negativity on here. But at this point it doesn't make too much of a difference either way.

 

I think this thread so far-though we have gotten some nice positive feedback-has also been very representative of the over all NEGATIVE vibe that has permeated Taoist discussions for years.

 

It's a learning experience.

[Sunya]

sheepishlord and sean,

i completely agree.

 

i live by the quote by William Blake The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

 

i'm almost 22, but have already had lots of sex and jerked off so much to porn that i'm tired of all of it. in the past i'd get to the point where i'd jerk off atleast 3 times a day to porn and now i can watch porn without getting excited. so far i'm on day 11 but its really not that hard. i've never had nocturnal emissions either.

 

even though Cam has me on ignore, i feel you guys are absolutely correct in your assessment and advice.

 

although i disagree with you, Sheepish, about one thing. i don't know Cam that well, but about goals i feel that attaining god-realization is the highest goal one can have.

[sean]

Cam, please chill with the insults, man, calling anyone who doesn't agree with your perspective jackasses, arrogant, dipshits, trolls, repeatedly referring to this forum as mostly negative, etc. I'm afraid you are really isolating yourself from the community and potentially valid feedback. Like I said before if you want to "own" a topic, put it in your personal practice. Let's all try to keep a friendly inclusive vibe that is open to criticism with topics in Taoist discussion, that is the point of it.

 

Love you buddy.

 

Sean

 

i live by the quote by William Blake The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

"If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise".

[Cameron]

Are you serious?

 

Plato drops a gigantic negative post on my 100 days thread saying it's a crappy idea and I should move to Thailand and bang underage hookers and you basically agree with him and your giving me a lecture for calling him a dipshit?

 

Wow.

 

Anyway, it's all good man. I would prefer those of you who basically have nothing but negativity to say stay off this thread. I know, it's asking alot. All the threads on taobums and people with negative feedback to stay off this one.

 

If it's too much to ask..no big deal..I won't respond or put whoever on ignore.

 

Ok? Thanks Sean.

[sean]

What I'm saying is that a lot of what you are seeing as negative is just feedback from other member's perspectives. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are being negative. It's an open topic in the main forum, it's perfectly reasonable for members to want to discuss it from different angles.

 

So to answer your question, yes I think it too much to ask to start an open topic in the main forum of a public website and expect that the only people that respond are people that are doing Kunlun and agree with your approach 100%.

 

Sean

[Cameron]

Ok bro.

 

Let's just leave it here and I will just accept people like you(who I consider a friend) and others opinions and put those who's intent and energy I find to be not really in harmony with what I am doing on ignore.

 

Fair?

[sean]

Ok bro.

 

Let's just leave it here and I will just accept people like you(who I consider a friend) and others opinions and put those who's intent and energy I find to be not really in harmony with what I am doing on ignore.

 

Fair?

Yes, you are free to ignore whoever you want, that is why the feature is there. Just please no more name calling or dissing the forum, Plato (and some others here) didn't insult you, just offered different opinions.

 

I get the sense that this 100 days really means a lot to you and that maybe you feel it's a big challenge and you need to stay really focused on the positive. I thought my advice was in the spirit of support as I was relaying what I feel has worked for me but didn't realize the 100 days involved no sexual activity, I thought just no ejaculation. I haven't got a clue in the no sexual activity department, but let me think of some positive support for you to accomplish your mission ...

 

Hmmm... *scratching chin*

 

Well, whenever I am absolutely determined to reach a challenging goal I take a "think and grow rich" approach, first I write the goal down in a way that really resonates with me. I might put several hours into this, really honing in on powerful language. But just winging this it might be "I determine that I will safely accomplish 100 days of celibacy as described in Kunlun. I will not be deterred by discouragement or failure and I commit all of my unconscious resources to making this achievement a reality". Then every morning, first thing I would read that several times and also read it every night before going to sleep.

 

Hope that feels more supportive.

 

Your pal,

Sean

[Cameron]

Ok

 

I am getting a sense things are getting a wee bit uptight around here. I think it is the result of people not really being on "the same page".

 

It's not a problem. Everything is inherently cool.

 

Just as long as I have the option to ignore users I'll still be around Taobums for awhile.

 

And with that...happy UNerotic dreams to other 100 day Kunluners!

[Mantra68]

To clarify: you can have as much sex as you want during the 100 days, just don't lose your essence. Retain or refrain, whatever works.

 

I personally chose to refrain because I didn't want to chance it.

 

A lack of passion toward the whole topic really helps too.

 

Cam, I honestly don't think it is necessary for you to do 100 days. You have experienced quite a bit already and you have plenty of energy. Emptiness is more of a balancing direction for you I think.

 

All of this noise is just too much.

[rain]

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Edited April 17, 2008 by rain

[Cameron]

Oh my

 

Mantra is saying I shouldn't do 100 Days!

 

Ok boys..I am doing 100 days but with a lighthearted spirit and really just done arguing with you all about it.

 

If it really,really keeps escalating like this, I will request my pal Sean moves it to my Personal Cultivation area.

 

Let's give it another week. If it's more of the same animosity Seansterz please move it.

 

If things are cooled down and others doing 100 days(yes..a couple other people did mention they would join me several pages back) we can leave it.

 

I am telling you we should change the name of the site to As the Tao Turns.

[Ian]

I'm very very reluctant to get into this topic, simply because I know it will wind me up.

However, there are one or two hideous misconceptions (in my opinion, obviously) which should not go unchallenged.

 

Chiefly: Your body doesn't want sex, except in so far as your mind has conditioned it to. Your body wants health, peace, ease, union. Sex, in this context, is excitement, stimulation, thrills, transgression, and is all of the mind.

 

Mind trying to convince mind that mind's desire can be exhausted by satiety? Just another mind trick.

 

Sure, Sean can arrive at a mentality of sexual abundance and pleasure. But NOT by getting rid of sexual awkwardness through treating women as interchangeable commodity rather than human beings.

 

And Osho, like Plato, has some nuggets of truth, which are used to convince the reader of a whole bunch of closely related dangerous misinformation.

 

In my opinion, I emphasise.

 

Wishing everyone good luck.

[Cameron]

Ian...

 

Please continue to post in this thread in coming months!

 

Cam

[rain]

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Edited April 17, 2008 by rain

[sean]

Ian,

 

1) Please elaborate on your perspective that the body does not want sex, that is very foreign to me. Is sexual urge not largely an animal instinct for reproduction?

 

2) My phrasing was poor and (you may be right) possibly even dangerously misleading. It's not that desire can be satisfied by full indulgence, it's that a nearly unavoidable opportunity to see without a doubt the unsatisfactoriness inherent in even the wildest fulfillment of your deepest fantasies is provided. hahha. Perhaps this can be achieved more safely on the cushion, I am not sure -- seems that life sometimes insists on "external alchemy".

 

3) I believe (and hope) my sense of relative freedom around sexual compulsiveness was derived precisely to the degree I stopped objectifying women and projecting fantasies on them and moved toward exploring the treatment of sex, or perhaps more accurately -- naked intimacy -- with women as natural, joyous, and sacred.

 

Sean

[Ian]

Ian,

1) Please elaborate on your perspective that the body does not want sex, that is very foreign to me. Is sexual urge not largely an animal instinct for reproduction?

When I say "body does not want sex" I do not mean that it doesn't want the act of physical union. I define "sex" as lust, anything you can think about physical union, anything abstract, anything of the personality.

I argue that all bodily excitement is conditioned by the mind. But bodies still want to join up. That IS natural.

2) My phrasing was poor and (you may be right) possibly even dangerously misleading.

I didn't mean to imply that. I have no real issues with your post, except to suggest that threesomes plus may not be for everyone.

3) I believe (and hope) my sense of relative freedom around sexual compulsiveness was derived precisely to the degree I stopped objectifying women and projecting fantasies on them and moved toward exploring the treatment of sex, or perhaps more accurately -- naked intimacy -- with women as natural, joyous, and sacred.

Sean

 

Sacred, yes. It is the complete and utter absence of any appreciation of the sacred in Plato's posts (as I percieve it and them) that always leads me to conclusion that his advice is dangerous, however many insights he may have.

 

Ian

[Cameron]

Plato is entertaining but I had to add him to my ignore list.

 

There is a sense with some people they have little tidbits of knowledge to share with you and then it is basically downhill from there.

 

With him, I reached that point about 3 or 4 years ago. I find his energy unpleasant.

 

Ian..I felt little firecrackers of bliss all over my body as soon as you added your energy to this thread man.

 

Please stick around.

 

C

[Mantra68]

hi

this seems like a mans thread

can you tell me why it is supposed to be so different for women?

I mean to be able to balance sex urge and not loose essence

is a familiar issue to me as a woman also.

 

Meditation and qigong i suppose kunlun too are tools we use to

transform egodriven desire into healing life force?

 

Mantra I am curious of your situation now. You have been travelling

for some time, studying with Max. I read him saying you learn this and whoops

off you go, but you are still learning ...

Women don't lose their essence (jing) like men do, so you don't have to worry about it on that level.

 

"whoops off you go" yes, to continue learning. As a mirror for the Tao, there is no end in sight in trying to understand yourself (Tao).

[joeblast]

What about females with the ability to 'ejaculate?'

[Mantra68]

Oh my

 

Mantra is saying I shouldn't do 100 Days!

 

Ok boys..I am doing 100 days but with a lighthearted spirit and really just done arguing with you all about it.

Cam,

What I am saying is that there is a reason for doing the 100 days. It builds energy. You don't need this. You are already there. If you were older and lifeless then you should do it.

 

You have plenty of energy already.

 

You just need to bring it to a place of balance. That is why I suggest you focus on a harmonizing practice like Kunlun.

[rain]

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Edited April 18, 2008 by rain

[beancurdturtle]

 

Women have two kinds of orgasms. Outward and upward orgasm. explosion and implosion.

is this maybe something that escaped those old guys?

The extraordinary diversity of female orgasm escapes a lot of guys. Maybe because they are so focused on what, how, where, if, when, and etc. of their own.

 

Reminds me of an incredible woman - she should have been named "rain." After an hour of experiencing multiple different kinds of orgasms the bed would be soaked, and in places flooded, with her ejaculate. Then she would literally pass out into a deep sleep. Leaving me to hunt for a dry spot to curl up on and join her in dreaming.

 

Ain't that just like a woman.

[rain]

The extraordinary diversity of female orgasm escapes a lot of guys. Maybe because they are so focused on what, how, where, if, when, and etc. of their own.

 

Reminds me of an incredible woman - she should have been named "rain." After an hour of experiencing multiple different kinds of orgasms the bed would be soaked, and in places flooded, with her ejaculate. Then she would literally pass out into a deep sleep. Leaving me to hunt for a dry spot to curl up on and join her in dreaming.

 

Ain't that just like a woman.

 

 

luvvaboy!...so modest...i guess you had something to do with it

 

(that was stupid i guess...)

 

chemistry its all chemistry..of course

Edited December 4, 2007 by rain