redcairo Posted October 28, 2016 Oh yeah I almost forgot The 13-year-old student's parents refused to allow their son to join his classmates on the June 14 school trip of this year to a mosque in the northern German town on Rendsburg, prosecutor Peter Müller-Rakow said on Wednesday. The field trip was reportedly part of a geography lesson. What does as mosque have to do with geography in Germany? And even if it did (e.g. here are the buildings common to the region over there which is nowhere near here...) surely the "geography" portion would not require being inside the mosque. Which doesn't seem like it would hurt anybody, honestly. But did they send the kids to all the other religious buildings and make them practice praying in their format too? I realize the dogooders (not a compliment) in Germany are still trying to make up for a brief but horrific period in their history, but really the country has a lot of issues with middle eastern immigrants and it seems like that whole choice of outing is just begging to cause some controversy. Of course, the philosophy propounded in a mosque might be that they could enslave you, subvert your government, and/or kill you, but if your philosophy is that you'd rather not have your kid visit a mosque, you are the bad guy, LOL. RC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 28, 2016 That was good RC. A bit stream of consciousness perhaps but it addressed many of the points. We shoukd make the distinction between tribalism (I'm deliberately avoiding the contentious racism tag which is only one way traffic) and discrimination. It is not tribalism to say that one hates whites, heterosexuals, or men. It becomes tribalism when you seek to do something about it. This doesn't apply, or shouldn't apply to your own property which is effectively an extension of the person -which includes private businesses. It's only in public spaces and in the light of political force that tribalism takes on its darker side. Forcing shop owners to accept heterosexual people, or forcing white people off a public bridge is tribalism. In a restaurant which does not distinguish between the colour of people's skin it is fine for a black person to ask for a table away from the white honkies, but it isn't fine for him to force the white people out of their seats because he wants segregation. It is fine to discriminate against white teens wearing hoodies and sporting tatoos and prison trousers, as long as they don't aggress then you have no right to impede their progress in a public thoroughfare, but you can, or should be able to ban them from your private business. There is nothing wrong with having a prejudice and speaking up about it-if your experience has led to the belief that certain skin colours, clothing wearers or groups are more liable to aggress, then there is no shame in saying so. Sionnach cannot be prevented from saying he dislikes, or distrust Jews, but neither will he be allowed to get away with implying that Jews should be disliked or mistrusted. We should speak freely, but we cannot be immune from the effects of doing so. We should ask ourselves in any refutation, if we are simply parroting political expediency, or communicating rationally. No one is racist because they don't like a particular group, but once they begin to cast indirect slurs, or curry hatred amongst others, then it looks very like tribalism to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) @ Karl"It is not tribalism (/racist (as you interchange)) to say that one hates whites, heterosexuals, or men."Your standards are all over the place. Can't be taken seriously. You are not a deranged Socialist/ Marxist/ "Liberal"? @ General Reality sometimes isn't what you believe it to be/ informed it is. There was a German bouncer who thought accounts of attacks on Germans was "just right wing propaganda" something like that, until German girls were fleeing refugees/immigrants raping/ attempting to during new years celebrations, running to the bouncer for protection. Revealed: 1,200 women were sexually assaulted by 2,000 men in German cities on New Year's Eve"Algerian Hassan T whooped and cheered as he walked free from court after receiving just a suspended sentence for his part in the Cologne sex attacks" Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684302/1-200-German-women-sexually-assaulted-New-Year-s-Eve-Cologne-elsewhere.html#ixzz4OO3ZS2cQFollow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook //England Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council.[3] The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the failure of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place.[4][5][6] The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.[7] Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal //I am a European protecting my people, simple. The rest are ill-informed, scoundrels/criminals. Edited October 28, 2016 by Sionnach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redcairo Posted October 28, 2016 If you guys would stop snarling at each other, this thread might not get locked. :-) RC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 28, 2016 @sionnach. It's not 'wrong' to hold that opinion - I specifically made the subject white, male and heterosexual. I don't consider it wrong for you to hold the opinion that you hate Jews (to hold that opinion, not that I agree with the opinion), but you aren't sufficiently honest to make that admission, instead you are working below the surface to try an rationalise why you should hold that opinion and others should agree with it. Tribalism is exactly what it is, look at your reaction. if I had used Jews in the example, then you wouldn't have commented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Ha! What is this?I don't hate anyone.Is the Mexican drug cartel Mexican? yes, oh no! he said Mexican!! haIs the Italian Mafia, Italian?Are you Jewish Karl?I said I am a European protecting my people? Quite aware of my tribalism, in another thread making reference to medicinal science regarding the biological reality of race, different to the "social science" "theory"/ anti-science, political agendas.People promoting the subversion of Europe I consider criminal.I am opposed communism and capitalism, all kinds of exploitation the world over. Wanting self sufficiency, sustainability and harmony with nature. Edited October 28, 2016 by Sionnach 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 28, 2016 Ha! What is this? I don't hate anyone. Is the Mexican drug cartel Mexican? yes, oh no! he said Mexican!! ha Is the Italian Mafia, Italian? Are you Jewish Karl? I said I am a European protecting my people? Quite aware of my tribalism, in another thread making reference to medicinal science regarding the biological reality of race, different to the "social science" "theory"/ anti-science, political agendas. People promoting the subversion of Europe I consider criminal. I am opposed communism and capitalism, all kinds of exploitation the world over. Wanting self sufficiency, sustainability and harmony with nature. No,hardly, as Im sure you know by now I dont support religions, races, nor any form of collectivism. Your last sentence finally explains it all. You are an anti-capitalist tribalist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redcairo Posted October 28, 2016 Well most people who dislike capitalism dislike the versions of it the world shows us. Most of which are not capitalism any more than modern russia is true communism. RC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 28, 2016 Well most people who dislike capitalism dislike the versions of it the world shows us. Most of which are not capitalism any more than modern russia is true communism. RC Yes, the version of capitalism that actually isn't capitalism. Hence I have to use laissez faire to prefix it, not that it helps :-/ Communism is of course totally impossible on so many levels it should even be considered, but that's Kant, Hegel and Marx plying their philosophical dead ends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golden Dragon Shining Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) "Gang of 17 migrant men in horror sex attack on two women in church square in Germany" TWO women were sexually assaulted by up to 17 men, thought to be asylum seekers. By Simon Osborne and Monika Pallenberg PUBLISHED: 11:34, Fri, Oct 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 16:53, Fri, Oct 28, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/726223/Police-inquiry-launched-migrant-mob-subject-women-terrifying-sex-attack-Freiburg-GermanyEquality is dangerous lie Edited October 29, 2016 by Sionnach 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wells Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) . Edited January 20, 2017 by Wells Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted October 29, 2016 So quoting negative press releases about immigrants is "racist"? Sweeping it under the mat is better and (political) correct behavior? Not if its fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
