Standing Rock

[Marblehead]

Sad, isn't it?

[zerostao]

the water protectors have not broke camp

 

[Marblehead]

I doubt that Trump will be of much help with this one but we will see.

[redcairo]

Well if their goal is "no pipeline" it's unrealistic. If it's "reroute the pipeline or do some real environmental survey studies that should have already been done that would have probably (important caveat-word) changed the routing to begin with" that could happen.

 

RC

[zerostao]

[zerostao]

looks like the militarized police are looking for helpers to deal with the water protectors.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-would-legalize-accidentally-driving-into-and-killing-protesters_us_587a3dabe4b0e58057ff1ebc?j1shw9gh95vkl9dx6r

 

In the past, i have heard of Mississippi being referred to as the deep south state that was out of tune with the rest of the nation.

I look at North korea Dakota being the deep north state out of tune with the rest of the nation.

Edited January 15, 2017 by zerostao

[zerostao]

Standing Rock is symbolic. Yes, it is the struggle of a Native American tribe against big oil interests poisoning their water; the reality is there are pipelines all over the place. The war in Syria is over a pipeline. The troubles in Ukraine, guess what they are mainly over?  Pipelines may be built easily enough, yet they must then be defended, it is starting to become problematic. 

 

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/19/headlines/canada_sabotage_against_alberta_pipeline_costs_company_half_a_million

 

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/168832-waging-war-against-russia/

 

[ralis]

According to the AP Twitter post, Trump has authorized both the Dakota and Keystone access pipelines.

 

 

https://twitter.com/AP

[Marblehead]

Not a surprise for me if it is true.

[zerostao]

it's gonna be a rough week for the protectors at Standing Rock.

days before the executive orders were signed by trump, the militarized police force was firing rubber bullets onto peaceful folks who were in prayer. 

obama had kicked the can to trump, knowing how that would turn out. there is no indication that hillary clinton would have done anything different than trump on this matter. 

the protectors are asking for bodies to join them at camp in this dire hour. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/24/standing-rock-resistance-donald-trump-executive-order

 

[Aetherous]

Rumor has it that Trump wants to move the pipeline away from that contested land. Of course, we'll see what actually happens.

[Brian]

it's gonna be a rough week for the protectors at Standing Rock.

days before the executive orders were signed by trump, the militarized police force was firing rubber bullets onto peaceful folks who were in prayer.

obama had kicked the can to trump, knowing how that would turn out. there is no indication that hillary clinton would have done anything different than trump on this matter.

the protectors are asking for bodies to join them at camp in this dire hour.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/24/standing-rock-resistance-donald-trump-executive-order

 

Some may recall that I have said from Day One that Trump at heart is a regressive Progressive cut from the same cloth as Obama and Hillary just without the conviction. This may be the issue which tests his mettle (or it may be Dreamers or the deficit or healthcare or...)

 

Time will tell. Give it 90 days.

 

EDIT: If it turns out he has a spine and stands up to the Establishment, I will gladly eat my words.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Brian

[redcairo]

I'm confused about something.

 

Didn't the tribe say that they wanted a should-have-been-done-and-wasn't environmental study done about this and their area and that they would abide by the results if for some reason it was done properly and did not suggest the level of damage they expected? Is that not so?

 

Was it done?

 

Why are they still protesting if that was the agreement?

 

I must have missed a memo.

 

RC

[Brian]

"What are the next steps in the Environmental Impact Statement, and how long does that process normally take?

An Environmental Impact Statement (“EIS”) as required by the National Environmental Policy Act is a thorough community participation process involving several rounds of public input. This process could take a year or two to complete. The first step is to invite public comment on the scope of the EIS, what alternatives should be analyzed and what potential impacts should be studied. (The public comment period began on Jan. 18; comments can be submitted until Feb. 20.) When that is decided, the draft EIS would be compiled, followed by another round of public comment before a final EIS is issued."

 

http://earthjustice.org/features/faq-standing-rock-litigation

[zerostao]

trump himself is invested into the pipelines, he is looking to profit, just like the bush family did.

nothing is more "America First" as having canadian oil piped across american soil (polluting as it travels) for transport to china. 

right?

[ralis]

trump himself is invested into the pipelines, he is looking to profit, just like the bush family did.

nothing is more "America First" as having canadian oil piped across american soil (polluting as it travels) for transport to china. 

right?

 

Allegedly he sold all of his shares, but there is no public disclosure as far as I know.

[Aetherous]

trump himself is invested into the pipelines, he is looking to profit, just like the bush family did.

nothing is more "America First" as having canadian oil piped across american soil (polluting as it travels) for transport to china. 

right?

 

Edited January 25, 2017 by Aetherous

[zerostao]

Sacred Stone camp shares Waste Win Young's post · 

 

North Dakota lawmakers are waging war on Oceti Sakowin lands with House Bill 1281, attempting to steal indigenous lands to pay the Morton

County mercenaries oppressing our people!

Edited January 25, 2017 by zerostao

[Brian]

[zerostao]

and Consistent with their other efforts to quiet our collective voices, the federal government has shut down our ability to register your support of the #noDAPL movement. Comments are no longer accepted, although the Department of the Army originally said that comments would be accepted until February 20th. 

 

https://www.regulations.gov/docketBrowser?rpp=25&so=DESC&sb=commentDueDate&po=0&dct=N%2BFR%2BPR%2BO&D=USA-2017-HQ-0003

[windwalker]

"Our main venture that we have on Standing Rock is the Prairie Knights Casino, and Highway 1806 is the main access road," said Phyllis Young, who currently serves as a consultant to the tribe on the Dakota Access Pipeline." http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/standing-rock-sioux-pipeline/

 

I would suggest looking into the “tribe’s” main concerns which are not always as altruistic as some make them out to be.

 

"DOS issued a draft EIS for public review on April 16, 2010 and a supplemental draft EIS on April 15,
2011. The final EIS was prepared and circulated consistent with the Council on Environmental Quality
and DOS regulations for implementing NEPA. https://keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/archive/dos_docs/feis/"

 

Impact reports have been done, if there was evidence the pipe line was not sound

they would have used the impact reports to prevent it from starting or to stop it now.

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by windwalker

[windwalker]

"In September 2008, TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, LP (Keystone) filed an application for a Presidential Permit with the U.S. Department of State (DOS) to build and operate the Keystone XL Project.

 

The proposed Project would have the capacity to transport 700,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil to delivery points in Oklahoma and southeastern Texas. This Executive Summary of the final environmental impact statement (final EIS) summarizes the proposed Project, including the purpose of and need for the Project, and the major conclusions and areas of concern raised by agencies and the public. More detailed information on the proposed Project, alternatives to the proposed Project, and the associated potential environmental impacts is presented in the final EIS that is provided in the CD in the sleeve on the back page."

https://keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/documents/organization/182010.pdf

 

Reading some of the comments, it might help to have facts to review before making

them. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by windwalker

[redcairo]

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

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The White House

 

Office of the Press Secretary

 

For Immediate Release

 

January 24, 2017

 

Presidential Memorandum Regarding Construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline

 

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY

 

SUBJECT: Construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline

 

Section 1. Policy. The Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) under development by Dakota Access, LLC, represents a substantial, multi-billion-dollar private investment in our Nation's energy infrastructure. This approximately 1,100-mile pipeline is designed to carry approximately 500,000 barrels per day of crude oil from the Bakken and Three Forks oil production areas in North Dakota to oil markets in the United States. At this time, the DAPL is more than 90 percent complete across its entire route. Only a limited portion remains to be constructed.

 

I believe that construction and operation of lawfully permitted pipeline infrastructure serve the national interest.

 

Accordingly, pursuant to the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct as follows:

 

Sec. 2. Directives. (a) Pipeline Approval Review. The Secretary of the Army shall instruct the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE), including the Commanding General and Chief of Engineers, to take all actions necessary and appropriate to:

 

(i) review and approve in an expedited manner, to the extent permitted by law and as warranted, and with such conditions as are necessary or appropriate, requests for approvals to construct and operate the DAPL, including easements or rights-of-way to cross Federal areas under section 28 of the Mineral Leasing Act, as amended, 30 U.S.C. 185; permits or approvals under section 404 of the Clean Water Act, 33 U.S.C. 1344; permits or approvals under section 14 of the Rivers and Harbors Act, 33 U.S.C. 408; and such other Federal approvals as may be necessary;

 

(ii) consider, to the extent permitted by law and as warranted, whether to rescind or modify the memorandum by the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works dated December 4, 2016 (Proposed Dakota Access Pipeline Crossing at Lake Oahe, North Dakota), and whether to withdraw the Notice of Intent to Prepare an Environmental Impact Statement in Connection with Dakota Access, LLC's Request for an Easement to Cross Lake Oahe, North Dakota, dated January 18, 2017, and published at 82 Fed. Reg. 5543;

 

(iii) consider, to the extent permitted by law and as warranted, prior reviews and determinations, including the Environmental Assessment issued in July of 2016 for the DAPL, as satisfying all applicable requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act, as amended, 42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq., and any other provision of law that requires executive agency consultation or review (including the consultation or review required under section 7(a) of the Endangered Species Act of 1973, 16 U.S.C. 1536(a));

 

(iv) review and grant, to the extent permitted by law and as warranted, requests for waivers of notice periods arising from or related to USACE real estate policies and regulations; and

 

(v) issue, to the extent permitted by law and as warranted, any approved easements or rights-of-way immediately after notice is provided to the Congress pursuant to section 28(w) of the Mineral Leasing Act, as amended, 30 U.S.C. 185(w).

 

(vi) Publication. The Secretary of the Army shall promptly provide a copy of this memorandum to the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President pro tempore of the Senate, the Majority Leader of the Senate, and the Governors of each State located along the Dakota Access Pipeline route. The Secretary of the Army is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

 

© Private Property. Nothing in this memorandum alters any Federal, State, or local process or condition in effect on the date of this memorandum that is necessary to secure access from an owner of private property to construct the pipeline and facilities described herein. Land or an interest in land for the pipeline and facilities described herein may only be acquired consistently with the Constitution and applicable State laws.

Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

 

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

 

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

 

(iii) This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

 

© This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

 

DONALD J. TRUMP

 

Edited January 28, 2017 by redcairo

[Orion]

Trump is gagging and gutting the EPA at the same time as approving the pipeline. It's pretty obvious which way the winds are going to blow on this one. Whether or not the DAPL goes through or the location gets changed, it's clear that in the future activists won't be able to rely on regulatory bodies for evidence or appeals of any kind.

 

In the future the government will look more justified in stopping protests because there will be no "real evidence" to counter it.

 

Trump was a blue-blooded democrat 15 years ago, schmoozing with the Clintons and supporting all the leftist ideals. Then the neo-cons came to power and he changed his tune. Trump is only in it for one person: himself. He won the election by pandering to the so-called alt right, a demographic that the establishment politicians were too busy ignoring. He's an expert at reading audiences and giving them what they want. Right now the GOP is in control of everything so naturally he will do things to appease them, while profiting at the same time.

 

Trump is a RINO. That doesn't make him any less dangerous but it does mean that he is somewhat predictable.

[redcairo]

Trump is gagging and gutting the EPA at the same time as approving the pipeline. It's pretty obvious which way the winds are going to blow on this one.

 

I think this was inaccurate of the media to portray (as usual). On that:

 

 

The way reporters made it sound, the new administration had taken unprecedented steps to silence scientists at not just the EPA, but also the Department of the Interior, the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services.

 

Though it sounded like shocking stuff, it turned out many reporters had mischaracterized the memos, adding to the growing list of overhyped, media-instigated feeding frenzies.

 

But officials at the EPA and other federal agencies said the press oversold the story, and that many in media greatly overreacted.

 

"I've lived through many transitions, and I don't think this is a story," one senior EPA official told the New York Times. "I don't think it's fair to call it a gag order. This is standard practice. And the move with regard to the grants, when a new administration comes in, you run things by them before you update the website."

 

The agency's communications director, Doug Ericksen, said separately that they are simply maintaining a holding pattern until the new administration gets settled, which is normal during transitions.

 

"We're just trying to get a handle on everything and make sure what goes out reflects the priorities of the new administration," Ericksen told the AP.

 

The EPA said Tuesday in a statement, "The EPA fully intends to continue to provide information to the public. A fresh look at public affairs and communications processes is common practice for any new Administration, and a short pause in activities allows for this assessment."

 

...the USDA said a department-wide halt in communication isn't unusual for a transitioning administration.

 

"What happened yesterday was a misunderstanding," the director of communications for the USDA's Agricultural Research Service told Scientific American.

 

"The announcement that our administrator sent to staff last night was less a rescinding of anything than it was a clarification," he said, adding, "This is what has happened at the transition of every administration … it's just a pause."

 

Same with the media pretending that everyone in charge of an agency quit at once, when in fact the entirety of people in any prez admin submit resignations when a new one comes in (already done) and the new prez chooses to either 'accept' them (fire them) or request they stay on (hire them). Four people and one minion were fired by the new administration and that's going to be far bigger and more pervasive before long here. Perhaps the media will continue pretending that this perfectly ordinary transition process means that Literally Hitler™ is inspiring people to leap from ledges holding hands in their despair.

 

Trump is only in it for one person: himself. He won the election by pandering to the so-called alt right, a demographic that the establishment politicians were too busy ignoring.

 

I think the whole meme that Trump only won the so-called alt-right is more of the liberal media's denial, to marginalize him. The man had 63 million people vote for him. 30 million of those were women. The so-called alt-right was a tiny fringe. One of its media (Brietbart) exploded in great part because the mainstream media has been so intentionally out of touch with reality as part of their propaganda machine that people ended up at websites like Brietbart just trying to figure out what was really going on.

 

He's an expert at reading audiences and giving them what they want.

 

Probably. But it's not too hard to read 95 million adults aren't working, can't afford their forced-upon health insurance they then can't afford to use, are utterly sick of tens of millions of illegals and the fallout of that, worried of the threat to national security of having no decent southern border and importing people from the regions that most hate us and often with decent additional-cause (they did already anyway) since Obama spent 8 years blowing most of them up, and the corruption that lobbying and unlimited terms has brought to our government, the corruption and politicizing of every federal agency as the C-Span congressional videos on youtube make so clear, and so much more. A person wouldn't need to be a genius to know there are issues government needs to deal with and a lot of citizens would like someone in government who wants to. They would however need to have so much money personally that a lack of funding by existing controllers wouldn't matter, the utter hatred of not one but both parties of government against and outsider wouldn't matter, and the entire edifice of western media against them wouldn't matter. As improbability would have it, the country actually found a guy like that.

 

Right now the GOP is in control of everything so naturally he will do things to appease them, while profiting at the same time.

 

He found a way of bringing the GOP to heel on everything that mattered most to him. They have bowed to him far more than he has to them, with a couple rare exceptions.

 

Trump is a RINO. That doesn't make him any less dangerous but it does mean that he is somewhat predictable.

 

He's a centrist not a right-wing sort, that is for certain. He doesn't need to be predictable by any grand political or cosmic insight: he's predictable because he is up front and says what he wants and what he plans to do, and then he does it. He's already done more to back his 'campaign promises' than any politician I've known of in my life.

 

His almost daily approach to pissing off the media and giving them SQUIRREL! talking points to obsess on is a bit unpredictable. Need to get more popcorn.

 

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I'd sure like to see some UN-climate money go to Flint, and an agency for inventions that best help deal with the economic effects of traditional energy harvesting.

 

RC