Xiao Yao Pai & Xiantian Dao Yin Shu - [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[zerostao]

I've been talking to the good folks over in Indonesia, 

I will forward your inquiry. 

[Vajra Fist]

1 hour ago, zerostao said:

I've been talking to the good folks over in Indonesia, 

I will forward your inquiry. 

 

Thanks buddy, really curious about the answer. I've been interested in this system for a while 

[zerostao]

4 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

 

Thanks buddy, really curious about the answer. I've been interested in this system for a while 

It is going to depend on the taoyu (initiate), mainly their effort in life and effort in cultivation. 

no one said it would be easy.

Going to have to strive to have a quality near a divine one.

 

I hope this helps answer your question Vajra Fist.

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by zerostao

[Iskote]

1 hour ago, zerostao said:

I hope this helps answer your question Vajra Fist.

 

Hello zerostao. Are you an initiate of this system, and, if so, in general what is your experience with it? 

 

[zerostao]

7 minutes ago, Iskote said:

 

Hello zerostao. Are you an initiate of this system, and, if so, in general what is your experience with it? 

 

Initiated 8 years ago. My experience is a positive one. 

This is effilang's thread. 

An older thread I ran can be found in my personal practice section.

I've thought of starting a new XYP thread, probably also in my personal practice section. 

[Iskote]

5 minutes ago, zerostao said:

Initiated 8 years ago. My experience is a positive one. 

This is effilang's thread. 

An older thread I ran can be found in my personal practice section.

I've thought of starting a new XYP thread, probably also in my personal practice section. 

 

Thanks for the feedback and info about your thread. . 

[effilang]

TESTIMONIAL 55:

 

It's never too late as they say! So here is a testimonial that just came in today from last year's London initiation:

 

10 months ago, I took an initiation in the Xiao Yao Pai tradition.

 

Prior to this, I experienced a few Eastern and Western traditions and assisted various empowerments, ceremonies and rituals. 

Entering the initiation I actually had no real expectation, the idea of having an “Immortal Fu fa Shen” and feeling some form of “divine guidance” was kind of alien to me… I just wanted to learn more about taoism and Chi kung and get a taster of different chi kung styles, as I’ve been doing hard chi kung for the last few years.

 

During the ceremony I remember cheating a bit and opening my eyes as I felt nothing, around me various people waving their hand in the air and I thought for a few second “WHERE DID I END UP ”. Then suddenly my hand … a “magnetic” not fully “labelable” push pull sensation started. I was amused by it and just remember the good old hypnotic magnetic hand induction that I use to play with longtime ago… oh well I Have I just been hypnotised … 

 

We spent some time listening to a few interesting talks, socialised a bit and went home where I obviously had to try again … And it worked … Well, I was just under a nice hypnotic trance wasn’t I? …

 

I Went for the second day as I appreciate the course and the people I met.

I gave up for a few days and tried again over and over for minutes sometimes hours to understand what was going on. All possible scenarios started to run in my mind… is this a real Immortal … Is this Chi ?… is this benevolent? … is this just some magnetic energy ?…. am I being possessed? … will I end up doing 360 with my head vomiting on the walls ?… Is this just me ?. 

 

I also annoyed a few of the seniors Dao Yu with my distorted analysis who gave me a sharp, direct and honest answers.

 

I decided to stop the training till I get a bit more clarity, and stoped for a few months… Life took back as normal … No HFS … No invisible friend… Yipee !!! I am normal again and can start back on a beautiful mundane life….

 

After a few months … The movements were still there, I carried the practice remembering the wise words of a great Dao Yu : “The proof is in the pudding” and that  my initial set of practices felt quite good and benevolent, nothing really bad happened during rather the contrary… it was mainly my own mis judgments, fears that set me back as usual…

 

I practiced more and more with my HFS, and what a beautiful practice I must say. 

 

I am still not sure of anything  but what I am sure is that in moments of extreme physical pain (excruciating migraines since childhood) the practice and the Kindness of the HFS heals me.

I would like to thank Xiao Yao Pai, our elders for passing this beautiful tradition. Word are not enough. All I seen was beauty and purity .

 

Anon.
DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

Edited July 19, 2020 by effilang

[effilang]

On 20/11/2019 at 10:46 AM, Vajra Fist said:

Apologies if you've addressed this, but what happens to you after death in this system? Do you become a hu fa shen for someone else, in order to accrue good karma and continue ascending? 

 

I've been thinking of these issues for around two years since first learning of this system, and I wonder if such a fate is even desirable?

 

Sorry buddy, this one completely skipped me. Thanks for taking care of it, Zero.

 

I'll chip in with some additional information:

 

There are several scenarios as zeros said, and as we would imagine aught to be the case; they manifests in relation to your personal efforts. 

 

These are some of the possibilities:

1. You're initiated and receive HFS. 

- You practice, but you don't practice enough. 

- You die and you reincarnate. 

- Next life you have to be initiated again. 

- You retain your developments as they are part of your consciousness. More talents and abilities may become prominent in the following incarnation and it will be easier to find us again as your affinity will be stronger. 

 

2. " - - "

- You practice diligently enough to develop your consciousness and learn to act as it and move yourself outside of the bounds of your body (a practice that begins while incarnated); You break the conceptual and material boundaries of Taiji and start operating as one progressively singular unit within the  immateriality of Wuji. 

- You continue to cultivate yourself and improve your emotional condition and energetic quality and quantity through residing in Wuji, and by entering Taiji in a formless state to aid and assist the development of other incarnated beings ie: you take on the role of a HFS within the school and accept responsibilities befitting your current level of experience and energetic skill. 

 

3. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but due to very heavy and unfulfilled karma. You require to enter Taiji again through a live birth in order to" handshake" the respective karmic relationship away and neutralise the debt or the credit.

- You die and return to your high state of achievement without any further necessity for reincarnation, unless by choice. 

 

4. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but you still have minor karma remaining, though not heavy enough to require interaction between two physical bodies, thus one may chose to repay what is owed or to facilitate the growth of the second party of the karmic bond, by aiding them in their current incarnation ie through, "miracles", whispers, suggestions, positive affirmations, positive guidance, positive energetic influence like surges of inspiration, love, courage or by directly helping them develop their consciousness from the role of a Hu Fa Shen. In such a way more minor residual karma can be neutralised without the need for incarnation. 

 

There may be more possibilities as the Dao is infinitely complex and colorful, but I do not know of any beyond this at this point in my journey. 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2020 by effilang

[Vajra Fist]

Thank you, that's a fascinating answer!

[effilang]

A pre-initiation talk, followed by an initiation ceremony carried out by one of our senior Dao Yu; Master Li Ming Shen.
The new Dao Yu are paired to their Hu Fa Shen interact with them for the first time through physical movement.

After this event, the Dao Yu will be able to practice in the comfort of their homes or wherever they choose to, by invoking their Hu Fa Shen to guide them in the arts of the Dao.

They are now formally inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Xiao Yao Pai.

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Edited July 20, 2020 by effilang

[JohnC]

6 hours ago, effilang said:

A pre-initiation talk, followed by an initiation ceremony carried out by one of our senior Dao Yu; Master Li Ming Shen.
The new Dao Yu are paired to their Hu Fa Shen interact with them for the first time through physical movement.

After this event, the Dao Yu will be able to practice in the comfort of their homes or wherever they chose to, by invoking their Hu Fa Shen to guide them in the arts of the Dao.

They are now formally inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Xiao Yao Pai.

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English Captions available.

 

 

Thank you for sharing! Very impressive.

[flowing hands]

 

The little yellow book according to these two.

 

Most interesting version of Dao reminds me a lot of the JW's!

[effilang]

Tomorrow, there will be a live event with open QA conducted by Master Lie Ming on Xiao Yao Pai and The Divine Guidance Art; Dao Yin Shu. 

 

If anyone wishes to ask any questions about our art, feel free to jump on and participate. 

 

A link to the event:

https://www.facebook.com/DaoYinShu/videos/1109165959810748

Edited March 13, 2022 by effilang

[effilang]

The Q&A has concluded now, you can watch it on the link below. There were a lot of interesting questions:

https://www.facebook.com/DaoYinShu/videos/1109165959810748

[Nuralshamal]

Hey @effilang

I read through this whole thread the past couple of days, very interesting!

I sent you a message with a personal question

I also have some general questions I'll post here 

1) When is the next initiation in Europe?
2) I read several times, that people requested testimonials from experienced practitioners, and you seemed to have that on hand. However, I couldn't seem to find them. Were they posted? It sounds very interesting
3) What are the views of XYP on vegetarianism?
4) What are the views of XYP on sexuality?

5) What are the views of XYP on sexual cultivation and sexual practices?

Be blessed by the Divine!

Look forward to hear from you
 

[effilang]

For your information, I am running a free meditation group every day from 23 PM UK Time. If you're interested in joining you can find more details here with some testimonials:
 

 

TESTIMONIAL 1

 

"I strongly advise you to participate in @Xuan's daily meditation. It's a fantastic opportunity to let go of what no longer serves you and reconnect with your authentic self. I've been participating for the last three nights and am amazed at how much my days have improved.

 

The first night, I had a powerful bodily experience in which I felt blocked energy begin to flow through my body. My body was shaking as a cold sensation flowed through it. On the second night, I was led through many former events when I felt a lot of fear and clarified why I felt that way because of the meaning that I assigned to what happened. Last night, I found the strength to forgive and let go of all the resentment I had been carrying for a long time.

 

My everyday mindset improved significantly and I was able to go through stressful events while remaining present in my body rather than running away from what I was feeling. During these days, waves of love poured over me, and I felt at peace doing my regular tasks. I was present, which helped me to trust that I am unconditionally supported by the creation and that my life is unfolding just as it should.   I used to have a lot of resistance during the day because I kept arguing that I couldn't let go of control for a long time, but since I started meditating with Xuan, I've been able to let go and appreciate every part of my days. I had the idea that everything happens at the right moment and that I will not miss anything; that I am where I am for a reason and that it is exactly where I need to be. I was also able to give and accept love, joy, and compassion, as well as detach myself from my old beliefs and trust I have exactly what I need.

 

For a long time, I felt at my core that I was so insignificant and had so little control over what was going on in my life. With Xuan's guidance and support, I was able to connect the dots and begin relaxing by realising I had the freedom to choose what I preferred.

 

I am a Reiki master in multiple systems and have been working with healing energy for a long time, but the Xiao Yao schools cultivation is uniquely different. 

 

Thank you, Xuan for all your hard work and for allowing us to benefit from it."

 

TESTIMONIAL 2:

 

" Hi Elizabeth. The energy feels really different. Reiki energy has always felt hot for me, but when Xuan connects to me, I feel a flow of strong cold energy, not heat. Another thing that is different is that Reiki energy tends to make me feel energised, it charges me, but in a general, non-specific way, if that makes sense. On the other hand when im in the meditation room with Xuan, i feel the energy is doing specific things in my body, focusing on problem areas im aware of and i can feel it clearing blockages. It's like it has intelligence or consciousness of its own. Reiki also tends to leave me a little tense afterwards, but with this I have a persistent feeling of peace and emotional stability afterwards. Also a significant sense of detachment from my emotions, almost like im watching things from a distance rather than identifying completely with them."

 

TESTIMONIAL 3:

 

"Quite an interesting experience. I initially started off before reading the instructions and did my usual seated stillness with hands in dyana mudra position. I found that I could breathe much slower than usual and was able to concentrate better. After around 20 minutes I had to adjust my seating position and saw the instructions to properly connect with Xuan. I put my hands in the relevant position and did the intention. Soon after that it felt like a jacuzzi in my head, an effect I sometimes experience from qigong, accompanied by images of outer space. 

Throughout the meditation I didn’t see much except blue, most of physical affects were being able to breathe much deeper and much slower than usual, and I felt some energy around my shoulder blades. Towards the end I had to adjust my seating position again, re did the connecting process and experienced the same effect which was quite interesting.  

 

Looking forward to join again and highly recommend everyone tries a session!"

 

TESTIMONIAL 4:

 

"I had an extraordinary experience yesterday when I started a group meditation session. First of all, just before starting meditation I felt a very strong energy resonance from my heart chakra, then after starting meditation I immediately entered a deep meditation state and felt the energy from the heart chakra spread to the third eye chakra and sacral chakra. This lasted for 1 hour and after finishing I felt very peaceful and felt like all the energy blockages in my body were all cleared.  After meditation I feel very energized all day.  

 

On the second day today, I immediately felt peaceful when I started meditating, although the sensation was not as intense as the first day (maybe because on the first day there was clearing of energy blockages in my body) but I felt peaceful throughout the meditation.  That is my testimony from following the daily meditation session for 2 days.

Lu."

TESTIMONIAL 5:

"Hi Xuan, it's me Lu. I am grateful to you because since attending this group meditation session for almost a month I have experienced a very significant change in myself, it feels like I was reborn into a different person. I felt very calm, balanced and filled with love. My Lian Gong process also feels deeper and I feel that my Gong Li has improved a lot since attending this meditation session. I hope that more people can benefit from these group meditation sessions. Once again thank you very much Xuan 🙏"

 

TESTIMONIAL 6

 

"I had a tremendous experience yesterday during your mediation session. It is very hard to put into words, but after several minutes, my hands wished to move independently and if I moved them back to the original position they would then proceed back to where they wanted to go. After rising and falling they rotated over both knees for a very long time, so much so that I began to think I would be doing it for an hour.

 

Next my body did circular movements, in both directions, then my spine did forward and back motions. I then did a movement that made me feel the movement of my ribs and my internal organs felt massaged. Lastly my neck was stretched upwards and I felt a heavy pressure that pushed me backwards until I was leaning completely backwards. At any stage when I moved against the direction my body wanted to go, I was then again slowly led back. I stayed in the backwards position for quite some time. Despite being cognitively there I did not realise the session had finished. I was then pushed forward at a much greater speed and then felt a release.

 

I should add that I was conscious, that my breath was much deeper and lower and felt guided throughout. I have never had an experience like it and went in not expecting it.

I felt a great feeling of relaxation and peacefulness, and immediately went to sleep. This morning I feel that I have had a work out and feel stretched especially internally. My mind has clarity and peacefulness

Guy"

Edited November 23, 2023 by effilang

[effilang]

On 30/07/2022 at 1:40 PM, Nuralshamal said:

Hey @effilang


 

 

Hello!
 

Hi!

I read through this whole thread the past couple of days, very interesting!

 

Glad you found it interesting : )

1) When is the next initiation in Europe?

 

In the near future, currently no dates are set. I will make announcements here and on FB when the time is due: www.spiritualdaoism.com (FB Group)

2) I read several times, that people requested testimonials from experienced practitioners, and you seemed to have that on hand. However, I couldn't seem to find them. Were they posted? It sounds very interesting
 

I'd have to ask first, what constitutes an experienced practitioner to you: time since initiation or time in practice?

 

Most of our testimonials tend to come from new initiates and internal discussions we have during meetings and seminars where we share what we've experienced during practice and in life. It's not something we really record, but we're always happy to answer questions and queries as we have a large community of cultivators.

3) What are the views of XYP on vegetarianism?

 

IF you want to be a vegetarian you can, if you don't want to be - you don't have to be. It does not affect our cultivation and we don't have any prejudice towards either.

You have to consume what your body needs, when it needs it, at the right amounts.

4) What are the views of XYP on sexuality?

 

It is a healthy part of our life and necessary to fostering intimate connection with our partners.

In moderation, it does not disturb our work; in excess - it makes some processes take longer.

 

Ultimately, it is part of being human and sexual relations have their own place in the evolution of our character within the context of physical experience.

 

5) What are the views of XYP on sexual cultivation and sexual practices?
 

We do not practice sex for the purpose of cultivation, and we generally do not believe it is an efficient, effective or karmically constructive approach to supplementing the bodies energy, but everyone is free to explore their own path in the Dao. There are 10,000 gates that lead to the subtle one, some are faster, some are slower, some are straight, some are winding - all offer experience and growth through various perspectives of the absolute.

Be blessed by the Divine!

 

Many blessings to you too. Tai Shang Bao Yu!

Regards.

Xuan

Edited November 23, 2023 by effilang

[Nuralshamal]

On 23.11.2023 at 9:26 PM, effilang said:

2) I read several times, that people requested testimonials from experienced practitioners, and you seemed to have that on hand. However, I couldn't seem to find them. Were they posted? It sounds very interesting
 

I'd have to ask first, what constitutes an experienced practitioner to you: time since initiation or time in practice?

 

Most of our testimonials tend to come from new initiates and internal discussions we have during meetings and seminars where we share what we've experienced during practice and in life. It's not something we really record, but we're always happy to answer questions and queries as we have a large community of cultivators.

 

 

Thanks for all your answers!

Clarification About Testimonials
Anyone that's not a "newly initiated" (e.g. up to 1 year or so).

I think it would really help shed light on XYP if someone who went "deep" on this path, e.g. for 5-10 years could share their long term development.

I remember you have "ranks" and that you graduate in these ranks by passing a test, so I imagine there must be a sense of community on each level, and thereby people sharing and exchanging knowledge and experience at each level.

It could be super cool to hear from someone having cultivated with XYP for 5-20 years and hear about their progress, development and experiences along the way.

 

I look forward to hearing from you!

All the best