Xiao Yao Pai & Xiantian Dao Yin Shu - [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[effilang]

Hello all.

 

It's my pleasure to welcome a special group of people to our school today.

 

Greg Z.

James I.

Brandon U.

Frances D.

Neil P.

Brooks W.

Mark T.

Deatria H.

Geraldine B.

Josephine D.

Michael L.

Thomas G.

Beata R..

Louis H.

Kelly B.

Gordon T.

Star

Maggie M.

 

You travelled from far and wide to meet in Virginia, at the bridge between the worlds (pun definitely intended). Some of you travelled across the ocean from the UK to be present today and I applaud you. I know that your journey has been rewarded.

 

Today is the start of something amazing. It is a path unlike any other, full with mystery and wonder that awaits your discovery.

 

You all would have experienced different things today, for no initiation is ever the same for anyone. We are all unique in our constitution and that is reflected in our practice.

 

Each and every one of you has now had their Yuan Shen activated and you have been assigned a Hu Fa Shen to mentor you on your path of spiritual cultivation along the curriculum of our celestial branch.

 

At the beginning there are three ways in which Hu Fa Shen can "move" us, and these are not always physical, so if you did not "physically" move today, don't take this as evidence of your inability to practice or think that you did not receive Hu Fa Shen. You all have.

 

If Hu Fa Shen moves us on the physical level, it is easy to acknowledge because we are very familiar with our physical body, but if HFS moves our subtle energy, most people cannot detect it because their awareness still requires some tuning. More so, if HFS refines your mind, it is even more difficult to identify and observe the subtle energetic movements, but whether it is on any of these three levels or higher yet at the level of your spirit, Hu Fa Shen is always moving and refining us to raise our awareness higher. With practice you will be able to feel all levels of this movement and internal transformation and beyond.

 

Your relationship with Hu Fa Shen is brand new now, but as you continue to practice Dao Yin Shu, it will get stronger and stronger and as your awareness beings to synchronise with that of HFS, you will be able to more fluently perceive and absorb information.

 

Every Dao Yu (initiated practitioner) has the golden aura of our school wrap around them. It resembles a fire made of spiritual energy that acts as a cocoon and an incubator for our human spirit. When you practice Dao Yin Shu this aura will naturally transform your spirit from Yin Shen to Yang Shen and lead us to develop into a Xian. It is almost like hooking up to a server to download the files you need. Initiation allows us to hook up to the celestial branch of our school and download the blueprint for transmuting our spirit. There is no effort required at all. All you have to do is just disengage your attention from thoughts and be like a blank canvas, then Hu Fa Shen can naturally guide your awareness deeper into the Dao.

 

If you still have some time today. I encourage you to practice alone in your rooms. Have some food, relax, have a shower and then say your Zhen Yan and invite Hu Fa Shen for a session.

 

I'll tell you a little story.

 

When I was initiated, I did not move. I was a little disappointed, because everyone else was moving around me. Everyone was actually quite surprised. To be honest I was gutted, but I realised my mistake was in focusing on the physical.

 

On the way back home I decided to relax a little and meditate. As my mind cleared, I suddenly began to feel HFS working on my mind and clearing negative beliefs that were blocking my mind. As I tuned in more, I could sense what I can only describe as small energetic explosions of energy going off in random locations in my brain. It was like HFS was taking laser accurate mini shotgun energy blasts at the root concepts in my life that were blocking me. Memories that were so distant and deeply buried that I had forgotten they existed at all suddenly began to appear in front of my eyes and I started making connections between what was causing me pain in the present and what had occurred in my past, but before I had a chance to even focus on it for a little longer, Hu Fa Shen had already cleared it. Pent up energy like that doesn't just disappear though, and I began to see the connection between the belief structures that were being refined and my physical body, because everything is connected.

 

When Hu Fa Shen released a blockage in my mind, he would then also simultaneously clear the physical manifestation of the root idea within the body. Usually this would force me to express a loud noise in tandem with a vigorous shake, transmuting the negative, and every moment was pure and utter release.

 

I know some of you today have experienced some detoxing symptoms already. It is normal don't worry. Hu Fa Shen always goes to the root of the problem, so transformation can be very rapid. If you blink, sometimes you can miss it.

 

In the next few months, my mind was clearer than it had ever been. I was at peace with so many things. Ideas and beliefs that had been a nuisance to me in my life just faded away and I was happier because of it. Prejudices that had plagued me forever and altered my perception of people and things, simply just washed away and disappeared.

 

Looking back at myself now, I have changed so much that Its difficult to describe. I've never practised any system that so effectively and quickly gets to the root cause of every issue and this is just one very very small part of Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu.

 

Eventually I soon began to move also. It was a welcome confirmation, but by then I already knew Hu Fa Shen was there and was receiving visions, experiences and instructions.

 

So be patient with yourselves, because we are all very complicated and our rivers run very deep. Relax your awareness and let your teacher guide you and you will begin to change from a caterpillar into a radiant butterfly : )

 

Our art is a gateway to myriad wonders and transformations.

 

Please remember that Hu Fa Shen can see our thoughts, our dreams, our fears, our secrets, our hopes, our good deeds and our bad deeds. There is nothing we can hide. This relationship will teach you humility and naturalness and how to be honest, confident and proud of who you are.

 

I'm not an advocate of blind belief, but when we embark on a new journey and find ourselves in unknown territory, it is wise to trust in a guide to show us the way, just like we trust our GPS to get us from A to B in a foreign land. So trust that your HFS knows what is best for you and always remember, that Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu is a guidance art. That is why it is called The Divine Guidance Art, so It is always your choice whether to follow instructions or not. Eventually you will find out that when we decide not to take HFS's advice, the outcome is never in your favour, but this is how we build trust and your relationship to Hu Fa Shen is no different. You must build trust and understanding with your teacher, because while HFS knows you completely on a soul level, you must yet learn to know him/her through your own experiences.

 

Good luck and please always feel free to contact me.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xiaoyaopaitaoism/permalink/1216937901704539/

Edited October 30, 2016 by effilang

[effilang]

Ooh, these are my favourite. We have one more new Dao Yu, the owner of the establishment! Congrats to Maggie M. for following her intuition. Maggie had initially declined to be initiated today, but later had a change of heart following everyone else's initiation reactions and some personal reflection. Welcome to Xiao Yao Pai : )

 

This is why I keep telling people; DON'T CLING TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE PAST. Daoism is alive HERE and NOW.

 

Experience it first hand and know without a shadow of a doubt! We might say a lot of stuff and make some relatively wild claims in XYP, but at least we can back it all up and we yet again have a testament to this! That is what our initiations are for. It is the proof behind our word.

 

I will post the new Dao Yu's testimonials after the US event is complete.
 

I just want to add that our golden aura also has a strong apotropaic function in addition to its capacity as a medium of transformation.

Its signature is regarded with the utmost of respect by cultivated spirits, immortals and other beings. It is like our uniform in the subtle realm which identifies us as students of Tai Shang Lao Jun.

It is a very high honour, so carry yourself with the integrity, humility, and wisdom it represents, or Hu Fa Shen will kick your ass in training!

Edited October 30, 2016 by effilang

[flowing hands]

 Tai Sung Lo Jun (Lei Erh Xian Shi) ?????

[zerostao]

There are no taoist shamans sorry. One is either a shaman or a taoist. Those are mutually exclusive terms.

 

 

 Tai Sung Lo Jun (Lei Erh Xian Shi) ?????

 

You two have met? I would like to see a thread about this shaman/taoist topic open up in Daoist discussion. I would follow it and contribute to it.

[dawei]

 Tai Sung Lo Jun (Lei Erh Xian Shi) ?????

 

I believe your question is whether the above references to Tai Shang Lao Jun is the same as your reference I quoted.

 

I believe the answer is yes.

[zerostao]

I believe your question is whether the above references to Tai Shang Lao Jun is the same as your reference I quoted.

 

I believe the answer is yes.

we covered this way back early on this thread, 

Edited October 31, 2016 by zerostao

[flowing hands]

I do see that to be initiated it costs £200.

 

When I went to the Temple in Malaysia where the Immortal Master came to me physically it cost nothing. I see the basis of the teaching is through mental contact with the spirit. I see there is no protection given to the student. I begged Tai Sung Lo Jun about this and he said he had nothing to do with this sect. He would only rarely teach once in a thousand years and only if the student had first proved themselves and he would come to the student physically only, until the student had served their apprenticeship and mental communication is then established. The student would have to be baptized properly taken over the bridge of life and their name recorded in the book of Heaven. In that way the power the student is given and the blessing upon their body would serve as a protection while they learnt their art.

 

Remember Immortals have spent many life times trying to go beyond the material world. Once they have achieved this, they really have very little interest in the world, so to get one to teach you is a formidable task. Getting Lao Tzu to teach is virtually impossible.

 

Darren Brown has done some remarkable things to do with the power of the mind, I would strongly suggest that behind all this is hypnotic suggestion which leads people into believing things that aren't actually real. But it can work seemingly miracles as Darren Brown has amply demonstrated. It can change peoples lives it can do all manner of things; there lies the power of the mind and the basis to this system.

 

Established rule which is never broken: If an Immortal (a very wise being) wants to teach you they will come to you physically first, never mentally, you will be thrown around like a rag doll sometimes, you will understand that they are there and they will move you so powerfully you may ache for days afterwards. You may have to spend hours on your knees begging for them to come and even after one year you might not be successful.  You can't pay £200 or £2,000,000 to get them to come. They will only come to you if they want to and only when you have proved yourself.

 

If these things are not part of your system and it seems really easy to access the Immortals then you are being conned.

[effilang]

DAO YING VIRGINIA - OCT 2016

 

Congratulations to the new Dao Yu who this weekend inherited our school's art; Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu. They have been connected to their assigned Hu Fa Shen during Dao Ying and have actively begun their apprenticeship in spiritual cultivation through Xiao Yao Pai.

 

I wish you the best of luck on your journey to your true self.

The UK initiation is this weekend. Can't wait to blow peoples minds wide open!

 

[effilang]

I do see that to be initiated it costs £200. When I went to the Temple in Malaysia where the Immortal Master came to me physically it cost nothing.

 

Actually, initiation is free, we cannot charge for it, but there's something very simple that I do need to charge for; operating costs. What Tai Shang Lao Jun grants us is of a non-physical nature; there's no monetary value on that, and it does not come from us so we cannot commercialise it. However, physical things like, plane tickets, hotels, electricity costs, rent, visas, equipment rental and advertising is not free to us, so it shouldn't be free to anyone else. This is pretty basic knowledge I would say for anyone who runs any sort of an organisation. Nothing new here. If you don't appreciate that, I can't explain in any other way. This will not change. If people can't accept that, they are honestly very ignorant about how the world works and what it takes to run an organisation.

 

 

 I see the basis of the teaching is through mental contact with the spirit. 

 

No it's not, you haven't cared to read through my posts before answering.

Hu Fa Shen works on our physical matter, subtle energy, mind and of course also our spirit.

 

Methods of communication include, but are not limited to:

- Mind to Mind

- Writing

- Hearing

- Seeing

- Hu Fa Shen speaking through the disciples vocal chords.

- Dreams

- etc

 

 

I see there is no protection given to the student. 

 

Again, wrong, you have not cared to read through my posts.

 

Every Dao Yu (initiated practitioner) has the golden aura of our school wrap around them. It resembles a fire made of spiritual energy that acts as a cocoon and an incubator for our human spirit. 

 

The aura also has a strong apotropaic function in addition to its capacity as a medium of transformation. Its signature is regarded with the utmost of respect by cultivated spirits, immortals and other beings. It is like our uniform in the subtle realm which identifies us as students of Tai Shang Lao Jun.

 

 

I begged Tai Sung Lo Jun about this and he said he had nothing to do with this sect. He would only rarely teach once in a thousand years and only if the student had first proved themselves and he would come to the student physically only, until the student had served their apprenticeship and mental communication is then established. 

 

I'm sorry to hear that you have to beg. We do not beg in our school. The relationship between the Hu Fa Shen that Tai Shang has authorised to disseminate the curriculum of our celestial branch and ourselves, is one of mutual respect, guidance and apprenticeship. We talk to our Hu Fa Shen one to one as we would a friend, but we always show respect, as you would to any teacher, providing you have basic manners.

 

Maybe in your tradition it is so that he teaches one person per thousand years. It is not in ours and again I can't help you with your difficulty in accepting that.

 

Our Hu Fa Shen rarely vibrate low enough to match the frequency of the physical eye. They don't need to be seen in this way because in Xiao Yao Pai we activate the Yuan Shen on day one of the initiation, so communication with HFS takes place on a much higher vibration, so it's not necessary for the teacher to vibrate down so low, unless of the utmost necessity. In our development our aim is to cultivate our awareness to go deeper into the Dao, so we MOVE UP to match Hu Fa Shen's vibration through our connection to them, rather than using our awareness at the level of our basic physical senses. Sometimes HFS will do it. Maybe to pat you on the back or to instruct you as a matter of urgency, but generally speaking, It's us that have to match their frequency and try to go beyond and not the other way around. 

 

So again, maybe in your tradition it is different.

 

 

The student would have to be baptized properly taken over the bridge of life and their name recorded in the book of Heaven. In that way the power the student is given and the blessing upon their body would serve as a protection while they learnt their art.

 

Every Dao Yu is recorded in the heavenly register within the celestial branch of our school during Dao Ying.

 

 

Remember Immortals have spent many life times trying to go beyond the material world. Once they have achieved this, they really have very little interest in the world, so to get one to teach you is a formidable task. Getting Lao Tzu to teach is virtually impossible.

 

I think that if you are dealing with spirits that exhibit such selfish qualities, then you are working with low level and unrefined Shen who have still not purified their negative traits. Nobody ever achieves anything entirely on their own. A realised being would know this and certainly show compassion to others who struggle on the path they have just walked.

 

 

Darren Brown has done some remarkable things to do with the power of the mind, I would strongly suggest that behind all this is hypnotic suggestion which leads people into believing things that aren't actually real. But it can work seemingly miracles as Darren Brown has amply demonstrated. It can change peoples lives it can do all manner of things; there lies the power of the mind and the basis to this system.

 

Yes of course as always. Everyone else is fake and you are the chosen one.

Here read some testimonials from others if you're genuinely interested and not just prefer to listen to yourself talk: 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xiaoyaopaitaoism/permalink/973319889399676/

 

 

 

Established rule which is never broken: If an Immortal (a very wise being) wants to teach you they will come to you physically first, never mentally, you will be thrown around like a rag doll sometimes, you will understand that they are there and they will move you so powerfully you may ache for days afterwards. 

 

Yeah, so this happens to everyone who practises Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu. Nothing new here. I often tell new initiates that it can be like coming back from the gym sometimes after a hard workout. So.... nothing new here....

 

 

 

If these things are not part of your system and it seems really easy to access the Immortals then you are being conned.

 

Cool. Well tell that to the people who were initiated in Virginia this weekend and the next ones in 4 days.

When you're done with those, you can start e-mailing the other 10s of thousands.

 

Let me know what you find out...

 

Bottom line to everyone reading this thread:

 

I stand by what I say. If anyone doesn't believe it or thinks I'm bullshitting or thinks that we are conning people - Then I invite them to attend an initiation and prove me wrong, although I imagine by now, since we've been initiating people since the early 70s and have over 140,000+ Dao Yu, that someone would have snuffed us out right? - Naaah. That would be inconceivable.

 

I'm willing to accept that challenge and our school can back it up with experiential proof.

 

So if you're someone who doesn't believe in what I'm saying. Come and see if it's true or not. Otherwise thanks for your text and good luck to you on your path : )

 

Finally, Flowing Hands, this is not the first time you've come to one of our schools threads and the stuff you say is always the same...

 

How you begged and begged and that everyone must beg and work hard and suffer before they are chosen and so on and so forth. That's great. That's your experience, that's your life. Nobody in Xiao Yao Pai has to do that. Just accept it, because it's the truth and there are far more people that can vouch for that which been initiated and ineherited XTDYS that the grand total of a special number 1 in your case. Feel free to correct me If I'm wrong and you do actually have other living practitioners of your tradition that can support your claims.

 

Further more, you have NO actual experience with our school, so everything you say is absolutely unsubstantiated and I feel sometimes slanderous. If you want anybody to take you seriously, then come to an initiation and verify if it's true or not. Until then your words hold no value

 

I'm sorry but I really have no respect for people who make false accusations without any proof.

You say you asked Tai Shang about it. How can you prove it? Can you initiate someone so they can ask themselves so at least there is someone else's word and not just yours? We can.

 

The proof is in the pudding as it were.

 

So please, next time if you want to make accusations and try to discredit us at least do it after you have had some official relationship with us and have had an opportunity to disprove what we claim and what we do during initiations. Is it too much to ask for? Evidence?

 

Here's the hard truth, Flowing Hands and sorry to burst your bubble, but..........You're not special.

Edited November 1, 2016 by effilang

[Taoist Texts]

 

Bottom line to everyone reading this thread:

 

I stand by what I say. If anyone doesn't believe it or thinks I'm bullshitting or thinks that we are conning people - Then I invite them to attend an initiation and prove me wrong, although I imagine by now, since we've been initiating people since the early 70s and have over 140,000+ Dao Yu, that someone would have snuffed us out right? - Naaah. That would be inconceivable.

 

 

Thanks for the opportunity to ask this:

 

Does each and every participant get a successful initiation or there are those who fail? What is the fail/ success ratio?

[effilang]

Alright! The first one from this weekend's Virginia Dao Ying (initiation) is in. Thank you for sharing, Brandon!

TESTIMONIAL 26

I was lucky to hear about XYP right before an initiation was about to happen, booked the flight and was on my way. I heard some others had to wait 2-3 years to get initiated so I feel blessed. I am also very grateful for getting to meet the teachers from the tradition, who taught with enthusiasm and energy that is mind boggling considering they had been travelling from Indonesia just the day before which took them over 20hrs and landed them in a timezone that was 12hrs different from theirs. Besides the metaphysical experiences, their joy and humor in the midst of such jet-lag was probably one of the most obvious signs of the benefits of this path.

I am very new, so this is not a matured response that has been born from years of practice, but I feel motivated to share at least what I have experienced so far just from the initiation and an experience a few months prior.

My first experience happened about two months before the initiation. Before sleep, I asked for guidance from the spirits of the lineage called the Fu Fa Shen. Being slightly mischievous I prayed, "Fu Fa Shen, if you can see that I will be initiated into the lineage in the future, then can you please give me some early guidance and a sign that I should join now." That night, I had some symbolic dreams, and at the end something interesting happened. I was looking at the earth from above and watching a hurricane forming in the gulf that slowly went through Florida. I hadn't checked the tropical forecast online in a long time, because we haven't had a hurricane hit Florida in 11 years, but that next morning I looked and sure enough a hurricane was forming where I had seen it... a week later it literally went right over where I live. Then, just a month later I had to evacuate from a second hurricane! I took this as a sign, and made sure I signed up and bought tickets to Virginia to receive the initiation.

At the initiation itself, like I said before, I was so impressed with the energy the teachers gave off.. and then was blown away when they told us they just flew in from Indonesia. Something else that left a deep impression on me was the lucidity of their answers. The answers were clearly from a deep reservoir of wisdom. It's hard to describe, but you can feel the 'freshness' behind their words. In the middle of the second day we practiced Shen Gong which is like a spontaneous Qi Gong. Basically, the goal is to be open to the guidance of the Fu Fa Shen (guiding spirit), and eventually they will move you during practice to help catalyze purification in the body. I have some experience with similar practices and knew not to expect much as it can take time to open up. In my past practices it would take at least 30 min or more before my energy started to flow and then I might move a little in response or usually not at all. While standing there meditating, I got a 'daydream' which gave me a visual along with a feeling of muscle movement of my hands moving out and coming in with my breath, towards and away from my heart. I wasn't sure if it was just me, so I stayed still. Right after, Master Flemming came up and told me "It's ok! Let it move!" I wasn't sure what was happening since my eyes were closed by I felt a wave of heat penetrate my chest at the heart and my hands felt like they were pulled out by a string, creating the movement I had seen in my mind moments earlier. I was impressed, and enjoyed the pleasant warmth continue to emanate from him into my chest and arms.

As I said in the beginning, I am still new and cannot say where it will bring me in the coming months and years but these experiences are not small ones and I expect the best. I'm extremely grateful for them! Besides these experiences, every day since I have gotten back I have had more surprising things happening during my practices. Lastly, I think you can easily see how effective a system is by looking at their older students. Some were present at the initiation, and they were speaking of some impressive experiences and exuded good character and presence from what I could see for the short time I was around them.

I am very happy I went, and the initiation left a deep impression on me. I hope this testimonial helps with your decision, and wish you the best on your path.

Brandon
DAO YING - OCT 2016 - VA|US

Edited November 8, 2016 by effilang

[grassmountiansage]

Here's my question what are you guys cultivating I know you train to reach yang shen but what do you call it in your system. Also other than good health and feeling good what else can be cultivated thru this art like what skill is the pai known for?

[zerostao]

" If an Immortal (a very wise being) wants to teach you they will come to you physically first, never mentally, you will be thrown around like a rag doll sometimes, you will understand that they are there and they will move you so powerfully..."---FH

 

don't i know it.   when i returned home after my 2012 initiation i was punched (in a friendly way) stoutly in the shoulder by an unseen being that said "goooood" in a voice i could not determine if it was male or female. and i have been thrown around like a rag doll numerous times. one night in 2014, my son (who was not initiated) was visiting from florida and i had hoped he could help me do some work on my house, but he had been complaining about a serious shoulder injury, one morning when he got up, he told me some strange unseen being visited him was manipulating in shoulder and arm in strange ways, long story short his shoulder was fixed and my housework got done. 

 

edit>> i disagree about it having to be physical first rather than mental, but, one does need to have it become physical as soon as possible. bagua play has never been the same.   

Edited November 2, 2016 by zerostao

[flowing hands]

It is slanderous that you are using my master's name when he has not given you permission to do so. I haven't got a bubble and we all have a right to speak our truth just as you have without personal insult, which is where you have gone astray and shown how lacking you are in your awareness and development and all you can see is your sect and nothing else, which ties in quite nicely with hypnotic suggestion and obsession.

 

The obsessive behaviour to sell your system, constantly giving testimonials, trying to attract more followers etc. Very cultish. The way is very much lost.

 

I have had hundreds of students of Martial art and Qi gong, not one for the spiritual arts. Why? Because  I don't preach religion, but would prefer to teach people as does Tai Sung Lo Jun, to Follow the Dao and give up religion. So according to you Tai Sung Lo Jun is going against his whole teaching? Do you seriously think this is true?

 

I am showing up inconsistencies in the things that you are doing and saying, if we are not allowed to do that then it becomes a cult and a dictatorship. Remember I am part of a sect myself, there are many of us spread across the world. Many practice at home and there rarely is a Temple established in the west because of the cost. I met many years ago a Chinese Kung Fu Master who was very famous in Europe. We got talking and he asked me where I learnt my Kung Fu, so I was honest and told him that I learnt it from the Immortals. He then asked me what sect I was and we were the same sect. He told me that he could draw the amulet but could not learn martial art and he said to me it was very good indeed that I could do this. So there are a lot of us around not just in Asia. There are a lot of just followers who just believe in the Immortal Masters.

 

Now I lived in Asia as well as in the west with a Traditional Holyman. I visited many Temples and talked to many Holymen/women of differing sects. What I have said is held by such people NOT JUST MY OPINION.

The basic rule I have laid out is the rule taught to me by the Immortals. It is a rule so that people can never get confused in their minds and be misled, because the Immortals know how difficult it can be and how easily the mind can be deceived and deceive.

 

Here is the hard truth Effilang, if you haven't experienced what I have said, you are not being taught properly. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

 

Insult me all you like, you will get nowhere other than to show yourself up to what you have learnt and how far you have come in your personal development, which judging by your misguided insults, shows me that it is your own mind that is teaching you and not an Immortal spirit, otherwise you would be far more open and tolerant to others who are experienced in such matters and are seriously questioning things that don't add up.

 

Enough from me, I done what my Master asked me to do.

[effilang]

It is slanderous that you are using my master's name when he has not given you permission to do so. I haven't got a bubble and we all have a right to speak our truth just as you have without personal insult, which is where you have gone astray and shown how lacking you are in your awareness and development and all you can see is your sect and nothing else, which ties in quite nicely with hypnotic suggestion and obsession...............

 

Cheers. See ya : )

Edited November 2, 2016 by effilang

[grassmountiansage]

" If an Immortal (a very wise being) wants to teach you they will come to you physically first, never mentally, you will be thrown around like a rag doll sometimes, you will understand that they are there and they will move you so powerfully..."---FH

 

don't i know it.   when i returned home after my 2012 initiation i was punched (in a friendly way) stoutly in the shoulder by an unseen being that said "goooood" in a voice i could not determine if it was male or female. and i have been thrown around like a rag doll numerous times. one night in 2014, my son (who was not initiated) was visiting from florida and i had hoped he could help me do some work on my house, but he had been complaining about a serious shoulder injury, one morning when he got up, he told me some strange unseen being visited him was manipulating in shoulder and arm in strange ways, long story short his shoulder was fixed and my housework got done. 

 

edit>> i disagree about it having to be physical first rather than mental, but, one does need to have it become physical as soon as possible. bagua play has never been the same.   

 

Yes very cool exp.

 

So as in relation to skill or ability does this mean the spirit immortal can be used for other things as well?

 

What stops it from becoming violent?

 

Does one develop the ability to heal others, internal power, some type of spiritual power and so forth?

 

What does long term and short term practice get you?

 

Can this be done with taichi? Does it enhance taichi or my other practices?

 

What if one no longer wants to do Xiao Yao Pai is there a un-initiation?

 

Now if your a pai then you should have some rare herbal tonics and teas is this correct?

 

Does the training develop a strong wei field?

Edited November 2, 2016 by grassmountiansage

[grassmountiansage]

Are there levels to this system  and if so how many?

[grassmountiansage]

Also do you guys have a lineage chart?

 

Is the mco orbit opened with this practice if so is it early on or later?

[Vajra Fist]

I was interested in this system, but emailed Effi with a question and he didn't reply.

 

I was particularly concerned with the point above. Ie. Quitting the system if you no longer wished to practice.

 

This seems like a very serious issue. You're effectively establishing a karmic relationship with a spirit that you know nothing about. When you die, you will owe it a debt.

 

There are too many unknowns here. I would urge people to think about this carefully, and go in with full awareness. These are solemn karmic vows you are making.

[zerostao]

You always have your own freedom of choice guys.

you are not put under any trance etc you gain awareness.

You could quit anytime you like and that is that.

If a system works for someone then likely they will stick with it.

If a system does not work for someone then they likely won't.

there is no need to get an  "un-initiation"

if you quit asking for FFS to show up and you don't feel like meditating or doing some cultivation,

like Dao Yin Shu

then your lack of interest/sincerity/resonance/affinity--whatever you want to call it

is likely to end the arrangement anyways.

does it matter how many levels there are?

doesn't it matter more the types of daoist skills you are achieving, how your life is improving ?

 

edit>> "These are solemn karmic vows you are making."

what solemn karmic vows did i take??

i am encouraged to acquire merit

 

i imagine that effi has his focus on the UK initiation event this weekend.

Edited November 4, 2016 by zerostao

[Jeff]

As I stated earlier, I am not a XYP practitioner, but they have graciously allowed me to check out the connections and initiation process.  From my review I would state the following to the above questions...

 

- this is real stuff and no one should treat the initiation/commitment lightly

- the FFS process is very similar to forming a bond (or committing) to a guru

- there is no karmic debt created, but such bonds can easily cross "lives"

- there is definitely some type of "levels" related to the FFS beings, some more powerful than others

- reviewing the last initiation there was noticeable mental clarity shift/expansion with those I checked before and after the initiation.

 

Hope that helps.

[effilang]

Cheers Jeff

 

I just want to clarify that although there is an affinity and relationship established by connecting to HFS, it is not a bond that cannot be undone. The practitioner always has full control and one is always free to terminate the apprenticeship at anytime of their own accord.

 

As a matter of fact, after initiation one does not ever have to see or do anything with the physical branch of our school anymore. There are no ties to anything or anybody, nor demands or expectations.

 

The motto of our school is Xiao Yao Zi Zai.

 

Grassmountainsage. I promise to answer your questions after we wrap up the UK initiation in London this weekend.

 

For now, I'd like to share a new testimonial from last weekends Virginia, US initiated.

 

Best wishes.

Xuan Daoji

[effilang]

A new testimonial from James. Thank you for sharing your experiences. It warmed my heart to see that you are so happy with the results.

TESTIMONIAL 27

Having read many online posts about Xiao Yao Pai, I was very excited when the day for initiation came. At the same time, I was a little skeptical. Who wouldn't be? This is a spiritual path unlike almost any other, and it almost sounded too good to be true. Even so, it resonated with a deep part within me and I felt that it was the next step I needed to take on my spiritual path.

As I approached the beautiful little retreat center on the first day of our initiation, I distinctly felt like I had entered another world. The atmosphere seemed to suddenly
change once I got within 20 yards or so of the building. Everyone was quite kind and welcoming, and our hosts were wonderful. Shortly after, Masters Flymming and Nina began their detailed presentation on their lineage and method of training. We were given a thorough introduction to the practice over the next couple days. One thing that stood out strongly was that both teachers emanated such energy and enthusiasm despite having traveled from Jakarta, which they said was about 24 hours of traveling, and they had only arrived the night before the event. That alone is amazing.

One thing that really resonated with me was that Flymming and Nina strongly encouraged critical thinking and active questioning in the spiritual path. They also did their best to address all of our questions and concerns.

Upon initiation, my experience was quite nice. After inviting the Fu Fa Shen for the first time, I immediately felt my body begin making subtle movements, like my torso began swirling around. Now, I was curious how this would compare to my previous practice in spontaneous qigong, which was common for many of us in the group. However, I can say after a week of practice that, actually, the physical manifestations are quite different than spontaneous qigong. The movements with FFS are less erratic and bouncy, and there's a stronger energy behind them. You can also feel the abundant power of the FFS flowing through you. After my first session I felt refreshed, however my hands didn't move much and I didn't feel like I was able to establish a solid connection just yet.

Later that night I went to practice for the first time on my own at the place I was renting with Brandon, my spiritual friend of many years, who also went to the event. While standing, I mentally told the FFS I was about to practice and asked if it would guide me. I had NOT mentally recited the password or invocation yet. Immediately after, I heard Brandon exclaim. I stopped what I was doing and looked behind me. He said that he had clearly, physically seen a shadowy tall figure walk right across the room toward me. Brandon didn't think I was practicing either, so there was no expectation. I had just finished stretching and he was facing away from me, so he thought I was continuing to stretch.

This first practice session was great. I distinctly felt the sensation of something was touching my mingmen point multiple times. I felt powerful cold rushes up my spine. My body performed a few simple movements. The movement part of my practice ended very quickly, after about 10 minutes. Then I just meditated, enjoying greatly the energizing feeling my FFS had left me with.

The following morning we practiced again, and this time standing up. I had real guided movements, and my hands started spontaneously forming mudras. Again, something that never happened to me quite like this in spontaneous qigong. After the short session, I felt incredibel! Very energized, refreshed, and alive. I've practiced multiple other types of qigong and internal alchemy, but the feeling Dao Yin Shu produced still surprised me.

The other thing I would like to point out is that we had several students who had been practicing Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu for several years at this event. Many of them had only met Flymming and Nina once before. Each of them had incredible experiences with this training. It was so cool to hear Flymming adn Nina to describe various stages of progress, and the few senior students there would get excited and share how they had experienced this or that, in precisely the same way. This is not a lineage where the students do not have experiences. On the contrary, it seems like many of them are having very high level spiritual experiences fast. This is the greatest testimonial to XYP - the students are making the progress they were promised.

Thank you very much to everyone in Xiao Yao Pai for allowing me to have this experience, and I hope my testimonial can help give you a better idea of whether this is for you!

James Irving
DAO YING - OCT 2016 - VA|US

Edited November 12, 2016 by effilang

[effilang]

Vajra Fist, my apologies if I've missed your question. Please ping me again. The list is very long, but I do my best to address everyone. It was not my intention to neglect you. You can text me on Facebook anytime as well If you use it: Xuan Daoji

Edited November 5, 2016 by effilang

[grassmountiansage]

Grassmountainsage. I promise to answer your questions after we wrap up the UK initiation in London this weekend.

 

 

ok.