War, Peace, and Putin

[gatito]

UK will not block closer EU defence ties, says Boris Johnson

 

 

 

L'Angleterre, ah, la perfide Angleterre,
que le rempart de ses mers rendoit inaccessible aux Romains,
la foi du Sauveur y est abordée.

[gatito]

And why are the Poles so concerned about their next-door neighbours?

 

Here's one of many reasons:

 

 

 

Katyn

 

 

[Taomeow]

_/\_  The Katyn story is very controversial.  It started out as a piece of Goebbels propaganda in 1943, blaming the Russians for what the Russians maintained was the doing of the Germans in 1940.  This view lasted till the Gorbachev era, when some documents were presented supposedly implicating Stalin.  However, experts later concluded that they were fake.  The case went to European courts and human rights organizations several times, and was bounced back and forth as the side not getting what it sought to prove filed more lawsuits.  No conclusive proof of Russia's involvement was ever obtained, but the myth fueled by propaganda acquired a life of its own.

[gatito]

I'm certainly not conflating Soviet with Russian (nor am I conflating  Prawo i Sprawiedliwość with Polish).

 

_/\_

[Taomeow]

I'm certainly not conflating Soviet with Russian (nor am I conflating  Prawo i Sprawiedliwość with Polish).

 

_/\_

 

Ah, good old Europe. 

[gatito]

[SeekerOfHealing]

_/\_  The Katyn story is very controversial.  It started out as a piece of Goebbels propaganda in 1943, blaming the Russians for what the Russians maintained was the doing of the Germans in 1940.  This view lasted till the Gorbachev era, when some documents were presented supposedly implicating Stalin.  However, experts later concluded that they were fake.  The case went to European courts and human rights organizations several times, and was bounced back and forth as the side not getting what it sought to prove filed more lawsuits.  No conclusive proof of Russia's involvement was ever obtained, but the myth fueled by propaganda acquired a life of its own.

 

So you are suggesting that Katyn is myth? 

[Taomeow]

So you are suggesting that Katyn is myth? 

 

No, I am suggesting that propaganda creates myths around actual events.  Does it surprise you?

[gatito]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9oQEa-d5rU

[gatito]

My hunting trip with Yeltsin killed off the Soviet Union

Belarusian politician recalls his role 25 years ago in reaching deal that led to breakup of USSR without major bloodshed

 

[gatito]

Hostile states pose 'fundamental threat' to Europe, says MI6 chief

Although Alex Younger does not name specific country, he makes clear that Russia is target of his remarks

 

(Incidentally, for any James Bond aficionados, Alex Younger is the current "M")