windwalker Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) No Obama was not a good president I think historically it will be shown to have been a very bad presidency for the US for all the reasons noted in the OP post. I do not agree that “Trump” would have not been elected at some point in time, nor do I feel it would be so sure that Obama would have won if he could have ran again and ran against Trump … Luckily for the US this was not possible. What “Trump” is doing indirectly is bringing the US back in line with its constitutional underpinnings. Something that when examined Obama, knew quite well, and understood that what he was doing and did would change “destroy” this. His legacy is very easily being undone because he circumvented the process. What is damning, is his attempt to preserve his legacy in the last weeks of his time in office by enacting measures that would prevent this or at worst damage the incoming administration. ""By any means necessary" "I was not the one to invent lies: they were created in a society divided by class and each of us inherited lies when we were born. It is not by refusing to lie that we will abolish lies: it is by eradicating class by any means necessary. — Jean-Paul Sartre" oddly enough "Trump" is the one having to show the "lie" in doing so he can not use "any means necessary" working with in the process it would seem many have forgotten or no longer understand. Anybody else but “Trump” probably would not have survived this, which is why “Trump” as a 3rd party candidate is good for the US at this time highlighting how far the US as strayed away from its ideology underpinnings. Right person, Right time.... Edited March 30, 2017 by windwalker 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooNiNite Posted March 30, 2017 I think obama cheats on his wife at 16:38 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) The most one can say about Obama, was that he was very consistent. Hopefully some of his "hope and change" can be undone... Edited April 1, 2017 by windwalker 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted April 5, 2017 DID THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S ABUSE OF FOREIGN-INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION START BEFORE TRUMP? <Mr_Rogers> Can you say "Police-State Tactics"? Sure. I knew you could. </Mr_Rogers> 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted April 24, 2017 Obama’s hidden Iran deal giveaway Stunning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted May 25, 2017 http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kar3n Posted May 25, 2017 Poor Snowden, he got a bad wrap! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooNiNite Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Brian said: http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans Of course when he spies on Trump it is considered "extraneous" The media blows up a fictitious Trump-Russia connection to hide Obama spying on Trump. http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/why-did-comey-stonewall-evidence-obama-spied-on-trump/ “Wiretapped data used in inquiry of Trump aides. Examining Russian ties.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Kar3n said: Poor Snowden, he got a bad wrap! Yep. Two wrongs don't make a right but Snowden was definitely exposing a scorpion nest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kar3n Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Brian said: Yep. Two wrongs don't make a right but Snowden was definitely exposing a scorpion nest. I would have to agree he did not go about it the right way, however, I can see more clearly now why he fled, likely to save his life. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted May 31, 2017 Was Obama spying worse than Watergate? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/30/obama-admin-illegal-spying-worse-than-watergate-glenn-reynolds-column/102284058/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kar3n Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Brian said: Was Obama spying worse than Watergate? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/30/obama-admin-illegal-spying-worse-than-watergate-glenn-reynolds-column/102284058/ Spying is spying, just like the law is the law and should apply equally to every individual, no matter their affiliations. Obama's spying was on a larger scale, say... 1,000,000,000:1 just to throw out some numbers. Shhh, no one wants to talk about that... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Kar3n said: Spying is spying, just like the law is the law and should apply equally to every individual, no matter their affiliations. Obama's spying was on a larger scale, say... 1,000,000,000:1 just to throw out some numbers. Shhh, no one wants to talk about that... Well... Yes, but... In addition to being largely expanded, the government's own investigation revealed that a substantial percentage of the domestic surveillance under the Obama Administration wasn't even within the "spying rules" -- just blatantly illegal in a "whatchu gonna do about it?" kinda way. This is pretty bold and unprecedented. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kar3n Posted June 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, Brian said: Well... Yes, but... In addition to being largely expanded, the government's own investigation revealed that a substantial percentage of the domestic surveillance under the Obama Administration wasn't even within the "spying rules" -- just blatantly illegal in a "whatchu gonna do about it?" kinda way. This is pretty bold and unprecedented. It is bold and may very well be unprecedented, as far we know, therefore, rule of law should apply for violations of the 4th amendment and the guidelines that Obama himself put in place regarding NSA. My question is, if he would violate his oath of office to that extent, what else did he do that has yet to be revealed? I wonder what a prison term would be like for a former US president? Not that I believe it will ever go that far, some little guy will end up taking the fall. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kar3n Posted June 1, 2017 Transcript of President Obama’s Jan. 17 speech on NSA reforms Pretty eye-opening... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Building quite a legacy: http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-program-made-729-million-erroneous-payments-doctors/ Note that this is more than 10% "error." Edited June 13, 2017 by Brian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 14, 2017 Well, we can't expect too much when the government gets involved in the free market economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qicat Posted June 15, 2017 On 11/16/2016 at 0:19 AM, TheWhiteRabbit said: Was Obama good president? no He taxed us to our eyeballs. Very very hard times. No way to buy a house, no way to keep what you earn, 0 deductibles, crazy healthcare costs, failing infrastructure, overpopulation ( schools are getting 1 out of 10, 3 out of 10 marks). Nothing was done to make things better. Useless wars. Useless help to corporations who hated him ( openly republican if you look at the data). NSA and spying stuff. I remember how exciting it was in 2008 when he won. I remember thinking WTF more and more... p.s. I have no hopes for Trump ( even if he starts WW3, isn's End of The World is kind of predicted anyway...) It is easier that way to have no hope that there would be sane president who actually cares about the country and its people... oh... wait... do I sound like quoting Tao Te Ching now... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
