Lets Talk Obama - Was he a good President?

[Wells]

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Edited March 2, 2017 by Wells

[Brian]

Heard anything in the media this week about the action last Friday to begin nationalization of state and local election processes?

 

Yeah, didn't think so. The Ministry of Truth only propagandizes what AmSoc wants spread and this move by The Ministry of Love wouldn't be on that list...

[Marblehead]

No, haven't heard anything.  That would be a violation of States' Rights.

 

If it has been started I certainly hope Trump trumps it.

[Owledge]

What I did learn about recently is that Obama has signed the creation of a propaganda ministry and that the HRC campaign was also directly responsible for Trump's win because they used the media to boost him up as a 'big baddie' for serving as an offputting contrast making HRC look like the only alternative.

Another example of immense arrogance failing immensely.

But if I look at the stuff Obama is doing, he might be intending to tempt Trump with power. That and/or the Democrats intend to continue some kind of government besides the legitimate one, possibly also preparing a coup.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Owledge

[thelerner]

In my opinion he shouldn't have gotten the Nobel prize, he hadn't done anything to deserve it.

The reason he did wasn't for being black, that's ridiculous;  if you think that look at the rules, history and make up of the Nobel Foundation. 

 

Also, thinking he's Muslim shows a willful bias that probably can't be reasoned with.  Though I suppose such people will be shocked when he keeps going to Churches not a Mosques for the rest of his life.  Actually they won't be, such 'theorists' will swiftly move on to the next paranoia. 

 

back on topic-

Rather I believe he got the Nobel Prize for not being Bush.  That was the main reason.  Bush was seen as triggering a catastrophe in the Middle East and the prize was meant as a not so subtle push for Obama to do and be, the opposite of Bush.  If you look at its history, the peace prize is often given in hopes of being a 'carrot' then as a reward for work done. 

 

Lastly, as this thread devolves into a platform for old conspiracy theories, the more likely it is to wind up in the pit. 

[redcairo]

Yeah... The committee essentially said or implied that they were hoping awarding it to him would be ... inspirationally motivating, and that this did not work out as planned.

 

Re: religion: the dominant and forceful theme(s) of the preacher he sat through weekly for 20 years is what got most people thinking his religion was an issue. It was a church, not a mosque, some are just as bad I suppose.

 

I had nothing against him except that

 

a) if he wasn't born here he was ineligible. I accepted that when the 'authorities' seemed to accept his birth cert but now it turns out the allegedly paranoia tea party guys were right all along and it's a hoax, watch the whole video and it's pretty clear

 

the media gave him what might have been a billion in 'free' positive advertising for 2008 campaign and I resent having the media choose our leader mostly because the media's run by the worst sources and they are not in favor of our political health

 

c) I really resented you could not have the smallest conversation about any actual issue without someone keening "racist!" which has sucked so much, to me it's enough reason to not put anybody ethnic in the house if it's going to prevent all Americans from being able to have any intelligent discourse (let alone debate) because it causes such egregious political correctness fears

 

But Obama won and despite I was very depressed for a bit I hoped the country would survive and I hoped he would do well and would bring some of the 'change' everyone was optimistically hoping for.

 

He did the same thing Bush did, except more of it, and worse, and even came up with new versions of bad. By the time he left, every federal agency (and this is likely not just his fault but 8 years of his admin surely made it vastly worse) appeared to be utterly corrupt, and usually at least somewhat incompetent, and watching some of the congressional hearings on C-SPAN is enough to make one want to just burn it down and start over it's so bad. I feel actual disgust at how bad things are presently and I blame him for a good 8 year chunk of it and its devolution, because I believe in the chain of command, and in business I totally believe that "all problems are management problems." I totally gave him benefit of the doubt and got behind him in spirit and conversation at least. He didn't live up to any of it. Oh well. Here's hoping the new administration will do better.

 

RC

[Aetherous]

In my opinion he shouldn't have gotten the Nobel prize, he hadn't done anything to deserve it.

The reason he did wasn't for being black, that's ridiculous;  if you think that look at the rules, history and make up of the Nobel Foundation. 

 

Also, thinking he's Muslim shows a willful bias that probably can't be reasoned with.  Though I suppose such people will be shocked when he keeps going to Churches not a Mosques for the rest of his life.  Actually they won't be, such 'theorists' will swiftly move on to the next paranoia. 

 

back on topic-

Rather I believe he got the Nobel Prize for not being Bush.  That was the main reason.  Bush was seen as triggering a catastrophe in the Middle East and the prize was meant as a not so subtle push for Obama to do and be, the opposite of Bush.  If you look at its history, the peace prize is often given in hopes of being a 'carrot' then as a reward for work done. 

 

Lastly, as this thread devolves into a platform for old conspiracy theories, the more likely it is to wind up in the pit. 

The color of his skin had NOTHING to do with it, in the minds of these people?

 

I think it was part of his campaign's brand...representing hope and change to turn what was perceived as the corrupt system on its head (which up until that point was 100% old white men; Obama being more youthful and part-Black)...someone who was of a race that was previously enslaved by the country, now its President.

 

It's a powerful concept...and it moved people. Enough to do stupid things, like give a Nobel Peace Prize for nothing. Pre-emptively. lol

 

We should ask ourselves with honesty: if it had been a white man running an anti-Bush-GWOT campaign, would he also have gotten this peace prize?

 

...not as powerful of a brand, is it?

Edited January 14, 2017 by Aetherous

[MooNiNite]

What I did learn about recently is that Obama has signed the creation of a propaganda ministry.

 

It is interesting to me that Trump said he openly supports Obama's  "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act"

 

I guess Trump is afraid of people calling him a Russia supporter or whatever. 

[redcairo]

Trump cannot disagree with every possible thing. He's got to give, or at least not make an issue of, some things, in order to have time for others.

 

And, there is really no need to create whole furors over something now, when his party can simply do what they want later, regardless.

 

What irks me is how many people (in both parties) behave like they're going to intentionally, and regardless of detail, cause problems for the leadership no matter what, just because it's not who they would have chosen. Man, in business, this is one reason why a lot of incoming CEOs end up firing a huge slew of people, because of all the subversive F'ing politics, and people not willing to support a change in strategy.

 

I see Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii, I think she's native american not that it matters but I think that's one of the things she is fairly known for, she's a former soldier, one of her big pushes is getting our gov't to stop giving money to fund terrorist arms that end up killing our own soldiers. Logical focus for her to have, given her background. I do not imagine her working 'against' any president on her own, intentionally. I imagine her doing what she thinks is right which might disagree entirely but might not. Whether she'll be able, with a party that sees anybody with their own brain as a traitor to the cult, is another story -- and don't think I'm just blaming the D's here, the R's are the same way.

 

But then I see this huge swath of other people who are basically insisting they plan to do nothing but be an impediment for the rest of their term and I feel like WHY ARE YOU EVEN THERE if they are so juvenile and unprofessional they can't even work on finding the ways in which their country and their state could most benefit from WHATEVER the current leads happen to be, and do their best within those boundaries. In the business world, this is how it is. And you grow up or you have the ethics to GTF out so people who are not just simmering impediments can do the job.

 

I watched the live press conf from DJT the other day. Mostly live just to be a number. Just to support the WH live streaming stuff to the public rather than giving it to the 'press corps' and letting them twist it and spin it and spoon feed it to us in preferred pieces. I was shocked at how unprofessional the press were after like the first few questions. And some female who asked a question "as an accusation" and so on -- people trying to fit 6 complex questions in one or trying to sermonize in the form of a question or whatever -- GROW UP people, my god, the serious lack of professionalism was just staggering. And I know DJT really jumped on the guys from Buzzfeed and CNN but you know what, if you release fake and lurid kill-propaganda on someone less than 24 hours before don't be surprised if they don't F'n want to hear from you. That the press guy stood there shouting and would. Not. Shut. Up. Like he was "owed" anything at all was ridiculous -- it's the PrezE of the USA dude, you are not "entitled" to anything especially under those conditions. It was like Hi I'm An OverGrown Millennial And I Am Owed! I Am Entitled! I Have Rights To YOUR Stage! Like when I see college groups that Milo or Ben Shapiro are speaking for and the people in the audience clearly just do not get that they are the audience -- that someone else is on stage and it's their stage, and questions can come after but making someone else's show into your drama is injust even to all the other people in the audience never mind the speaker... it's like all these people never matured past age 8, if that, what is wrong with their parents I ask myself. Anyway on the press conference, I considered it a complete embarrassment for the press for reasons having nothing to do with Trump's comments.

 

Annnnnd I got totally off topic I guess LOL.

 

RC

[Owledge]

Yeah... The committee essentially said or implied that they were hoping awarding it to him would be ... inspirationally motivating, and that this did not work out as planned.

AFAIR their reasoning for awarding the price was HIM being inspirationally motivating through the things he said and his skin color. (They likely didn't say the latter part, but it was implied.)

 

Thanks for your summary of the lengthy conference vid. Kinda what was to be expected, but still good to know it was just the same shit as usual.

How can history not repeat itself; how can the world become a better place, as long as the petty rabble rules?

As we can see recently, it lies in the nature of denial that there is no limit to it.

 

We should ask ourselves with honesty: if it had been a white man running an anti-Bush-GWOT campaign, would he also have gotten this peace prize?

 

...not as powerful of a brand, is it?

I might have mentioned it before, but did you notice the common thread of cheap superficial tricks?

2016 = woman

2008 = black guy

2004 = "John F. Kerry"

 

Kinda speaks for itself and fits perfectly into the giant focus on superficiality over substance in the political left, as also expressed in political correctness enforcement.

 

It is interesting to me that Trump said he openly supports Obama's  "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act"

 

I guess Trump is afraid of people calling him a Russia supporter or whatever. 

I find this a potentially funny situation because once Trump takes office he might use it for the exact opposite that it was intended for - i.e. then for combating ACTUAL fake news, i.e. mostly from the MSM.

And even if he approached it in a biased way and ONLY nuked the lies from the MSM against him, it would still probably be an improvement because that's the big problem - with the powerful corporate media institutions.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Owledge

[Golden Dragon Shining]

[Pilgrim]

No. Thank goodness only two more days! 

 

Hope Trump does a much better job.

 

Still hard to believe Donald Trump is the President.

 

Obama was the start of the Office of President of the United States becoming demeaned into a position for oddball controversial characters to play out others agendas on the world stage.

 

The way it is going the next president after Trump will be a Professional Wrestler and a porn star we will start irrigating the crops with Gatorade cause it's got Electrolytes it's what plants crave.

 

http://reuben.typepad.com/reuben_steigers_weblog/2011/10/visualizing-the-future-5-idiocracy-is-for-idiots.html

 

Edited January 17, 2017 by Pilgrim

[Owledge]

The movie "Idiocracy" is the left's idea of a grim future. As is being shown now, the real threat is the idiocy in denial, the fanaticism disguising itself as intellectual superiority. If anything, movies like "Idiocracy" rather contribute to that kind of evil; they're a symptom, because they boost the ego with compliments of contrasting, by taking easy shots at others.

 

I'm kinda glad that it didn't take yet another 4-8 years for a nemesis to appear and reveal the full extent of the madness. The world might not have had that time left.

 

The current situation very much reminds me of two literary works (which naturally people who conveniently tell themselves they're smart just because they mock supposedly stupid people won't have read and/or understood):

- The Emperor's New Clothes (Des Kaisers Neue Kleider)

- The Arsonists (Biedermann und die Brandstifter)

[Pilgrim]

 

The movie "Idiocracy" is the left's idea of a grim future.

Wrong, it has been comparable to the direction this country has been sliding into and has become under the current administration not the future but what has been the past for the last 8 years and hopefully a reversal will take place starting this Friday.

 

The movie was viewed as a comedy in 2006 when it came out. Not a very good one either.

[Brian]

In final days, Obama administration signs law enforcement pact with Cuba

 

In Newspeak, "I think what we were trying to do is to create as much momentum for the policy so as to make it irreversible" equals "We are all rooting for [Trump's] success in uniting and leading the country."

[Brian]

In related news, Obama is releasing groups of prisoners this week who have, for the last eight years, been deemed too dangerous to allow to return to the battlefield. Looks like 15 so far. So, in a few months, when these guys are leading terrorist strikes, Trump will be left holding the bag. This after Trump specifically said that he didn't think it would be appropriate to release any of them right now. More of that "smooth transition" Obama is famous for, I guess.

[Owledge]

In final days, Obama administration signs law enforcement pact with Cuba

 

In Newspeak, "I think what we were trying to do is to create as much momentum for the policy so as to make it irreversible" equals "We are all rooting for [Trump's] success in uniting and leading the country."

It is saddening to see Venezuela and Cuba slowly crumbling under the pressure now, probably eventually becoming the same 'democracy-blessed' vassals as so many other 'allies'. While the world is learning to resist the corruption, those countries are fresh cases of having become vulnerable and they are under especially vicious focus by the USA. (The addicted fanatic is frantically seeking for new outlets for his crazed righteousness, trying to maintain the old ego-boosting level.)

Edited January 17, 2017 by Owledge

[Owledge]

More of that "smooth transition" Obama is famous for, I guess.

He is beloved among his peers for always using lube.

[Owledge]

Wrong

Wrong ;-)

[Brian]

More of the legacy-in-the-making and "smooth transition" transparency:

 

Ads in two dozen cities offer protesters up to $2,500 to agitate at Trump inaugural

[Pilgrim]

Wrong ;-)

Riiight

Edited January 17, 2017 by Pilgrim

[Owledge]

More of the legacy-in-the-making and "smooth transition" transparency:

 

Ads in two dozen cities offer protesters up to $2,500 to agitate at Trump inaugural

This should be satire. Not just openly admitting a subversive tactic, but making it an organized system of portraying moral bankruptcy (and basing protests against Trump on shameless capitalism) is just more of the madness. I don't think there's any limit to this insanity. New bombshells every day.

What they're doing there might even be outright illegal. At least there should be lawsuits against something so rotten.

 

 

Riiight

I'm too tired to explain. Solve the riddle yourself, it's not that hard.

[Brian]

This should be satire. Not just openly admitting a subversive tactic, but making it an organized system of portraying moral bankruptcy (and basing protests against Trump on shameless capitalism) is just more of the madness. I don't think there's any limit to this insanity. New bombshells every day.

What they're doing there might even be outright illegal. At least there should be lawsuits against something so rotten.

 

 

I'm too tired to explain. Solve the riddle yourself, it's not that hard.

Beyond bizarre, isn't it? I mean, you couldn't make this shit up! This is the same crowd who was caught red-handed in October for hiring people to go to Trump rallies to foment violence and blame it on Trump supporters. The media was totally disinterested in the story then, too. Professional rioters? Nothing to see here -- move along...

 

Caught saying you've been bussing voters from one voting place to another for fifty years? That's old news and besides, you only found out because you tricked us so it doesn't count. Or maybe the Russians did it. After all, that's how it came out that the newspapers were letting "The Party" write the news stories, right?

Edited January 18, 2017 by Brian

[redcairo]

Yeah...

 

When you get to the point that sedition is a JOB a country really has a problem.

 

RC

[Brian]

Yesterday, Obama commuted the 35-year sentence of Chelsea (nee Bradley) Manning, who pled guilty to stealing and releasing to WikiLeaks hundreds of thousands of classified documents.