Under Trump

[CloudHands]

I don't know why you spend time and effort trying to put dirt on that guy of little influence while the world is led by corporation and finance... Your house is burning and it looks like you are behind the window frightened watching for a dead bear.

[ralis]

I don't know why you spend time and effort trying to put dirt on that guy of little influence while the world is led by corporation and finance... Your house is burning and it looks like you are behind the window frightened watching for a dead bear.

 

 

He is worried the communists are going to take over.

[Brian]

I think it's just fucking hilarious, and a wonderful character study, to watch the leftist radical wannabes (the real ones are cold-blooded sociopaths) piss in their shoes over the existential threat of milquetoast big-government establishmentarians like W or Trump who really have no agenda & accomplish nothing whilst they bristle with rage and snark in defense of legitimate radicals who are systematically executing a decades-old blueprint they've been training for their whole lives and for which they make no pretense of subterfuge except bald-face denial. These clowns would be pathetic if they weren't apologists for some of the greatest criminals against humanity the planet has yet known. To quake like a kicked chihuahua because of the threat posed by a aimless buffoon with no agenda yet accuse others of "fear" for simply expressing awareness of a plan-in-progress to crash Western civilization is outstanding chutzpah. I guess I really ought to applaud.

[MooNiNite]

getting rid of the federal reserve could potentially be genius.. 

[ralis]

I think it's just fucking hilarious, and a wonderful character study, to watch the leftist radical wannabes (the real ones are cold-blooded sociopaths) piss in their shoes over the existential threat of milquetoast big-government establishmentarians like W or Trump who really have no agenda & accomplish nothing whilst they bristle with rage and snark in defense of legitimate radicals who are systematically executing a decades-old blueprint they've been training for their whole lives and for which they make no pretense of subterfuge except bald-face denial. These clowns would be pathetic if they weren't apologists for some of the greatest criminals against humanity the planet has yet known. To quake like a kicked chihuahua because of the threat posed by a aimless buffoon with no agenda yet accuse others of "fear" for simply expressing awareness of a plan-in-progress to crash Western civilization is outstanding chutzpah. I guess I really ought to applaud.

I heard about this so called plan back in the 60's and have yet to see any fruition of such. Please refrain from insinuating that I or anyone else posting here are weak minded unaware fools.

[Brian]

I heard about this so called plan back in the 60's and have yet to see any fruition of such. Please refrain from insinuating that I or anyone else posting here are weak minded unaware fools.

Please understand, my dear rails, that I certainly don't consider you to be one of the useful innocents.

[dust]

Another way to look at it: the PRC and the ROC both claim to be the one true legitimate China. The clue is in the name: Republic of China, not Republic of Taiwan. It's not just the PRC that wants sole recognition as 'China'.

 

This being the case, each other nation in the world basically needs to recognize one or the other, PRC or ROC, as the 'true' China -- not both. So, though we as individuals can all see that they are separately governed nations, in international relations they are both as guilty as each other of being petulant about being recognized as China.

 

If the USA wanted to switch recognition, that's up to the USA, but as a soon-to-be president of a powerful nation, when Trump plays games with the issue it is to be expected that China will say something.

 

 

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/is-trump-calling-out-xi-jinping/

 

"Across Asia, every capital is waiting to see how Xi Jinping responds, for a matter of face would seem to be involved.

 

On the trade front, China is deeply vulnerable. U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods would cause a sudden massive loss of income to factories in China and a stampede out of the country to elsewhere in Asia by companies now producing in the Middle Kingdom.

 

On the other hand, without China using its economic leverage over North Korea, it is unlikely any sanctions the U.S. and its allies can impose will persuade Kim Jong Un to halt his nuclear-weapons program.

 

China can choke North Korea to death. But China can also step back and let Pyongyang become a nuclear-weapons state, though that could mean Seoul and Tokyo following suit, which would be intolerable to Beijing.

 

Before we go down this road, President-elect Trump and his foreign-policy team ought to think through just where it leads—and where it might end."

[dawei]

Before we go down this road, President-elect Trump and his foreign-policy team ought to think through just where it leads—and where it might end."

 

Interesting that Kissinger visited China and Huntsman is now in the hunt for Secretary of State.  I told my wife Trump should consider the latter but never mentioned it here as at the time it seemed so out of range... not so surprised to see Trump has now expanded consideration to include him.   I think an SoS with Asian understanding would actually be quite a good road.

[Brian]

We recognize both the Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea but the latter doesn't consider the former legitimate. We recognized both the Republic of Vietnam and the Democratic Republic of Vietnam but the latter didn't consider the former legitimate. We could recognize both the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China...

 

Anyone notice a pattern here???

[CloudHands]

I think it's just fucking hilarious, and a wonderful character study, to watch the leftist radical wannabes (the real ones are cold-blooded sociopaths) piss in their shoes over the existential threat of milquetoast big-government establishmentarians like W or Trump who really have no agenda & accomplish nothing whilst they bristle with rage and snark in defense of legitimate radicals who are systematically executing a decades-old blueprint they've been training for their whole lives and for which they make no pretense of subterfuge except bald-face denial. These clowns would be pathetic if they weren't apologists for some of the greatest criminals against humanity the planet has yet known. To quake like a kicked chihuahua because of the threat posed by a aimless buffoon with no agenda yet accuse others of "fear" for simply expressing awareness of a plan-in-progress to crash Western civilization is outstanding chutzpah. I guess I really ought to applaud.

 

No rage it's just that you live one of the most less pro commie country... and you act kind of a caricature. That's what make me react because with all due respect I think you deserve to know it.

 

Ws did do nothing ? oops.

 

Before you say it for the third time or try to stick on me a new label... No I'm not a raging, young, emigrate, disingenuous, socialist that ignorate its past, etc.

 

See I start to know your defense line.

[CloudHands]

Have a nice day fellows.

[blackstar212]

Great article IMO

 

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-eerily-perfect-match-famous-14-point-guide-identify-fascist-leaders

[ralis]

getting rid of the federal reserve could potentially be genius.. 

 

 

Really? Then who will print money? Your local bank?

[Brian]

https://fee.org/articles/banking-before-the-federal-reserve-the-us-and-canada-compared/

[blackstar212]

Good news from Trump administration

 

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/7/13866278/trump-pizzagate-michael-flynn-fired-hillary-clinton-conspiracy

[ralis]

Now the religious right is holding religious prayer meetings in the US Senate chamber to cast out Satan. WTF is happening with this government.

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross". Sinclair Lewis

 

http://www.alternet.org/belief/religious-right-government

 

 

God rules in the halls of legislation, it’s the pulpit’s benefit of being there, being on site and standing up and speaking the law of God to our elected leaders and praying for them,” Walker said. “It’s been the absence of the pulpits is the reason why Satan has ruled in the halls of legislation.”

 

 

 

Kistler also revealed that in addition to praying in the Kennedy Caucus Room in the Capitol, pastors were given access to the U.S. Senate chamber by Rep. Louie Gohmert. In the senate chamber, he said, “we got on our knees . . .  and it sounded almost like a labor room as people were crying out to God for the revival that Chaplain Black believes is coming and that we believe is coming.”

“To do that in the Senate chamber was an absolutely astounding opportunity,” Kistler said, “and again it puts an exclamation point on the Senate chaplain’s assessment that revival is on the way and may indeed begin in the halls of Congress.”

Edited December 8, 2016 by ralis

[Brian]

As an FYI, the first law enacted after the forming of the US Congress was dated June 1st, 1789. It stipulated the rules for, and text of, the oaths of office.

 

Exactly two months earlier, on May 1st, the House of Representatives selected the first official Chaplain of the House. The tradition of opening every day's legislative session with a prayer was carried over from the Continental Congress and the Chaplain (switching off with the Chaplain of the Senate) also conducted weekly services in the House Chamber for the DC community. Except for a period of a few years right before the Civil War, there has been an unbroken string of official Chaplains. During that period, local clergy conducted morning prayers and weekly services in the Congress. Most have been either Methodist or Presbyterian. Prayer and overt religious expression have been integral parts of the US Congress literally since before it formation.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Brian

[Pilgrim]

Do tell. Carter was president when historical materialism ruled China...  Did he figure out that socialism in China is like democracy in America -- a theoretical guiding principle, i.e. something that does not necessarily have to have many (or any) real-life consequences, depending on how the rulers interpret it?

A problem with America is the belief and rhetoric pushing that it is a Democracy.

 

This country was set up to be a Representative Republic, the States were set up to be sovereign and not to be under the heel of Federalism.

 

Democracy is a failed system look to Greece, see how well that has worked out. Who in their right mind wants that?

 

The guiding principal of America has always been A Representative Republic fueled by the greed of Capitalism and it tends to work pretty well even while the Federal System continues to strong arm the states.

 

In truth the United States is a combination of forms of Government and the Monarchy is at the top. You know those who vote themselves raises, exempt themselves from the very things they vote in place for the populace. So this is a little bit of Monarchy and Dictatorship mixed with Capitalism and Mafia strong arm tactics . It is also a representative republic for the privileged.

 

For example we have a punitive health system that states you will carry health insurance or we will use our strong arm the IRS to make sure you pay into health care.

 

By the People of the People for the People. Hah! Pure poppy cock! By For and of the Privileged, if you are not one of them then blame the circumstances of your birth!

 

As for my take on it all, Give unto Ceaser....... Accept the things you cannot change, Honor the powers that be, Accept this precious perfect moment moment, moment after moment, that really is more than enough for anyone and of more enormity than almost anyone is capable of.

[Brian]

Progressive humor?

 

http://fusion.net/comic/374530/cartoon-best-case-scenarios-trump

[CloudHands]

I'm sorry for being off topic but I think it's really funny.

 

Alinsky did not join political parties. When asked during an interview whether he ever considered becoming a Communist Party member, he replied:

Not at any time. I've never joined any organization—not even the ones I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.^[4]

 

Do you mind to comment Brian ?

[CloudHands]

"After the convention Hillary embarked on her yearlong senior thesis, on the topic of the Chicago community organizer Saul Alinsky. She has successfully persuaded Wellesley to keep this under lock and key, but Gerth and Van Natta got hold of a copy. So far from being an exaltation of radical organizing, Hillary’s assessment of Alinsky was hostile, charging him with excessive radicalism. Her preferential option was to
seek minor advances within the terms of the system. She did not share these conclusions with Alinsky who had given her generous access during the preparation of her thesis and a job offer thereafter, which she declined."

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/13/the-making-of-hillary-clinton-2/

[Brian]

I am glad that you are doing some personal research into Saul Alinsky and his influence on modern America, CloudHands.

 

A couple comments and then some recommendations...

 

First, it should be no surprise that Alinsky not only denied being a member of the Communist Party but that he wasn't a member. The time of that interview in Playboy magazine was during the Vietnam War AND during the reign of J. Edgar Hoover as Director of the FBI. The memories of the House Committee on Un-American Activities were still fresh in the minds of the American left. Additionally, and more importantly, one of the foundational principles of Alinsky's works was the importance of concealment and denial.

 

As for the snippet you posted on Hillary, that's a puff piece. Hillary had a long and warm friendship with Alinsky and her senior thesis at Wellesley agreed with him in almost all aspects EXCEPT his belief in small-scale conflict. She would later add that she disagreed with his position that the revolution would have to originate from outside the government -- she believed to could come from inside.

 

I would encourage you to read Alinksky's books. They are both short and can be found in PDF form on the Internet. The first, Reveille for Radicals, was published by the University of Chicago Press in 1946 and is a philosophical work which also urges radicals to hide from the blossoming Red Scare. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.historyofsocialwork.org/1946_Alinsky/1946%2520-%2520Saul%2520Alinsky%2520-%2520Reveille%2520for%2520Radicals.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj52urd_enQAhXJ7iYKHcUAC-kQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEHISj_HW-wZBXmsBDFfq6XennbfQ

 

His second book was published by Random House in 1971, the year before his death. He wanted to name it Rules for Revolutionaries: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals but the publisher refused to use the word "Revolutionaries" in the title and substituted "Radicals" instead. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://archive.org/stream/RulesForRadicals/RulesForRadicals_djvu.txt&ved=0ahUKEwiH5rDqherQAhWC5CYKHey0AA8QFggoMAE&usg=AFQjCNFwS-7KcjDa_xzD7yKdA3bxmhzPvA

 

The Rules themselves are succinct:

http://www.steelonsteel.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals

 

I would recommend a few bits on Hillary. One starting point would be this mainstream article focused primarily on her senior thesis:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17388372

 

Another link I'd offer is to one of Hillary's last letters to Alinsky before his death:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-newly-discovered-letters-hillary-clinton-saul-alinsky-marxist-community-organizer

 

Here's a piece about Alinsky that is worth reading:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314

 

Finally, I think I would be remiss if I didn't offer something related to the first formally trained Alinskyite to reach the White House:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511

Edited December 10, 2016 by Brian

[Brian]

Hillary Clinton’s losing campaign cost a record $1.2B Edited December 11, 2016 by Brian

[ralis]

Edited December 12, 2016 by ralis

[Brian]

https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-we-the-people-demand-a-new-vote